Virginia pastor who defiantly held church service dies of coronavirus

[Absolutely]

True, God is bigger than virus or anything, but people think God Will protect him from virus, and If not than people think he is liar, or God smaller than virus.

The best thing to do If he say, God is bigger and stronger than anything, He is able to protect us from virus, but we don't know His perfect Will. If he permit us die from virus than It Will be the best for us. If He decide to protect us from virus, than He want us to work for Him, anyway live is Christ die is gain

It boils down to faith.
Faith is active,not passive.

what you are referring to is the umbrella of protection.
The umbrella is conditional. I do "this" ...he does "that"

In the wilderness they had the umbrella...and they had the fiery serpents.

In the serpent judgement we see sin and the results. the horrors of sin.
enter the remedy.
not passive,but extremely effective.

IOW the serpent on the staff is the type of Jesus on the cross.

It is like now. Look on Jesus and be healed.
It,healing,is part of the covenant.
Both umbrella and looking at the serpent.
2 different dynamics

 

[Jackson123]

It boils down to faith.
Faith is active,not passive.

what you are referring to is the umbrella of protection.
The umbrella is conditional. I do "this" ...he does "that"

In the wilderness they had the umbrella...and they had the fiery serpents.

In the serpent judgement we see sin and the results. the horrors of sin.
enter the remedy.
not passive,but extremely effective.

IOW the serpent on the staff is the type of Jesus on the cross.

It is like now. Look on Jesus and be healed.
It,healing,is part of the covenant.
Both umbrella and looking at the serpent.
2 different dynamics

To my knowledge a faith in Jesus is require for Christian but faith Example believe that God Will protect us from virus is little different, It require to close to Him and know for sure that It is His Will to protect us from virus. In the bible we read God not protect Stephen and let jews kill him. He knows the best for Stephen and for this pastor.

 

[notuptome]

I wonder how many of his fellow church members were infected by him? How many did they in course infect?

Pr 25:14 Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[tanakh]

Not surprised

One infected attendant at church in South Korea sparked a second wave of death that took weeks to over come.

But then of course some think this is just a cold and a hoax.

I have just heard that Trump proposes to allow up to thirty states to end restrictions. May God help you all

 

[EleventhHour]

I have just heard that Trump proposes to allow up to thirty states to end restrictions. May God help you all

The second wave of the Spanish Flu, the virus had mutated and it was more virulent ....killing more people than all civilians and soldiers in World War 1.

Without a known, clinically trialed treatment it could be risky.
The virus will travel again.

 

[EleventhHour]

To my knowledge a faith in Jesus is require for Christian but faith Example believe that God Will protect us from virus is little different, It require to close to Him and know for sure that It is His Will to protect us from virus. In the bible we read God not protect Stephen and let jews kill him. He knows the best for Stephen and for this pastor.

Agree, Christian's get sick and die too.
Faith is not LaLa Land

 

[EleventhHour]

I wonder how many of his fellow church members were infected by him? How many did they in course infect?

Pr 25:14 Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You mean you haven't heard this is all a hoax... just another cold virus.
And people die everyday so why should we practise health saving measures.
Surely having church is what God wants ... why would God want us to exercise caution when we all die anyway.

I never in my life knew "Christian" were so outside of rational thinking...truly tragic.

 

[Moses_Young]

True, God is bigger than virus or anything, but people think God Will protect him from virus, and If not than people think he is liar, or God smaller than virus.

The best thing to do If he say, God is bigger and stronger than anything, He is able to protect us from virus, but we don't know His perfect Will. If he permit us die from virus than It Will be the best for us. If He decide to protect us from virus, than He want us to work for Him, anyway live is Christ die is gain

You don't believe the more serious cases are due to simple poisoning from 5G radiation? (Some say it can take up to 6 months of being irradiated for the symptoms to show up). Lumped in with the cases of seasonal cold and flu, and false positives from this "virus test" the designer said was never to be used for testing for viruses?

 

[Susanna]

I have just heard that Trump proposes to allow up to thirty states to end restrictions. May God help you all

That’s not the end of it. Also he’s pondering to adjourn congress so he can appoint his minions, according to foxnews.com.

 

[Moses_Young]

I never in my life knew "Christian" were so outside of rational thinking...truly tragic.

1 Corinthians 1:18 - 31

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
That no flesh should glory in his presence.
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

 

[notuptome]

That’s not the end of it. Also he’s pondering to adjourn congress so he can appoint his minions, according to foxnews.com.

Oh my what will you do if God sends this virus into congress?

It is a common occurrence for congress to adjourn and for presidents to make appointments while they are out. Interesting that Trump would trigger the Dems over his ahead of time. He knows how to push the buttons of the Dems and the press.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[EleventhHour]

1 Corinthians 1:18 - 31

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
That no flesh should glory in his presence.
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Not even remotely connected.

Try again

 

[Lanolin]

I dont think anyones judging anyone as 'stupid' but it is rather in some view quite reckless. Im more thinking how if you vow something you need to stick to it because your word is your bond.

Many people say marriage vows but then actually dont end up staying with their spouse till death.
In the Bible there is the story of Jepthaths daughter.

as christians we dont value our own lives are willing to lay down our lives for our friends...all frontline workers put themselves at risk to help others. However I dont know if this pastor was aware he can still preach the gospel without coming into direct contact with people i.e through radio, online, the written word, etc.

 

[Janeaux]

You mean you haven't heard this is all a hoax... just another cold virus.
And people die everyday so why should we practise health saving measures.
Surely having church is what God wants ... why would God want us to exercise caution when we all die anyway.

I never in my life knew "Christian" were so outside of rational thinking...truly tragic.

Yes, it is all a hoax & the medical field is lying us because *(&(&&&)&*****
fill in the blank. And Dr Fauci & Birx are part of a huge conspiracy theory with China to bring down this Country. Didn't you know?

Now ... since People die anyway .. newsflash (per the esteemed Penn Ed), what's the problem? No problem at all. We are pro life ... we are anti abortion but sentient life ... nah, not so much.

No point in reasoning with those who cannot hear.

 

[Lanolin]

I wouldnt answer a fool according to his folly...save your breath.

 

[EleventhHour]

Yes, it is all a hoax & the medical field is lying us because *(&(&&&)&*****
fill in the blank. And Dr Fauci & Birx are part of a huge conspiracy theory with China to bring down this Country. Didn't you know?

Now ... since People die anyway .. newsflash (per the esteemed Penn Ed), what's the problem? No problem at all. We are pro life ... we are anti abortion but sentient life ... nah, not so much.

No point in reasoning with those who cannot hear.

I suppose you are right.

 

[Runningman]

Sometimes we have to be practical. Materialism is vital component of our reality. Yes, God does protect people and does miracles, but if you walk barefoot on glass shards, jump into a fire, or get near a dangerous virus then you might get hurt. Just saying.

 

[EleventhHour]

I wouldnt answer a fool according to his folly...save your breath.

Yes I am learning.

 

[tanakh]

Yes, it is all a hoax & the medical field is lying us because *(&(&&&)&*****
fill in the blank. And Dr Fauci & Birx are part of a huge conspiracy theory with China to bring down this Country. Didn't you know?

Now ... since People die anyway .. newsflash (per the esteemed Penn Ed), what's the problem? No problem at all. We are pro life ... we are anti abortion but sentient life ... nah, not so much.

No point in reasoning with those who cannot hear.

So its all a fiendish Chinese plot. Lets get it straight The Chinese want to destroy the USA so they let loose a virus that kills and infects
millions of their own people and the of the rest of the world. Whatever else one thinks about the Chinese they are not stupid. If they
wanted to use Corona against any country they would only need to send some Chinese ''Tourists'' through customs and infect the population that way without loosing one single Chinese citizen. I do think there is a possibility that it was created as a biological
weapon and somehow escaped from a lab but there is no hard evidence and its unlikely that there ever will be any.

 

[Moses_Young]

Sometimes we have to be practical. Materialism is vital component of our reality. Yes, God does protect people and does miracles, but if you walk barefoot on glass shards, jump into a fire, or get near a dangerous virus then you might get hurt. Just saying.

True, but glass shards and fire are verified risks, this virus is not. There is no such thing as the monster who lives under the bed. Your child may say you are reckless for not bothering to check under the bed (or for checking under the bed, depending on his persuasion), but it doesn't matter, as there is no such thing as monsters (and there is no scientific proof a coronavirus is responsible for any deaths, let alone spreading from someone to someone else). This coronavirus is just a bogeyman made up to sieze world-control, and possibly to shift the blame for the deaths caused by the 5G towers which are popping up everywhere (so 5G is essential, but basic employment is not?)

I've read somewhere (not sure about this) it can take up to 6 months for the effects of 5G to take hold, so perhaps all those hospitals and morgues they've been building will start to fill up after a few months longer in lockdown?