We should rebuild Jerusalem Temple

[RachelBibleStudent]

this is actually not a mainstream notion in modern judaism...most of modern judaism teaches that the temple can only be rebuilt by the messiah...and not at the initiative of a religious or political movement...anything otherwise would be doomed to fail...

furthermore most of modern judaism teaches that the jewish people have all become ceremonially unclean over the centuries of dispersion and that none of them are fit for temple worship any more...that is the idea behind the attempts at breeding a red heifer...

so a lot would have to change for even most of the jews themselves to be comfortable with rebuilding the temple...

 

[zone]

this is actually not a mainstream notion in modern judaism...most of modern judaism teaches that the temple can only be rebuilt by the messiah...and not at the initiative of a religious or political movement...anything otherwise would be doomed to fail...

furthermore most of modern judaism teaches that the jewish people have all become ceremonially unclean over the centuries of dispersion and that none of them are fit for temple worship any more...that is the idea behind the attempts at breeding a red heifer...

so a lot would have to change for even most of the jews themselves to be comfortable with rebuilding the temple...

A century after Jesus, large numbers of Palestinian Jews followed the would*be Messiah, Simon Bar*Kokhba, in a revolt against the Romans. The results were catastrophic, and the Jews suffered a devastating defeat. In 1665*1666, large segments of world Jewry believed that Shabbetai Zvi, a Turkish Jew, was the Messiah, and confidently waited for Turkey's sultan to deliver Palestine to him. Instead, the sultan threatened Shabbetai with execution and the "Messiah" saved his life by converting to Islam.

In the modern world, Reform Judaism has long denied that there will be an individual messiah who will carry out the task of perfecting the world. Instead, the movement speaks of a future world in which human efforts, not a divinely sent messenger, will bring about a utopian age. The Reform idea has influenced many non*Orthodox Jews: The oft*noted attraction of Jews to liberal and left*wing political causes probably represents a secular attempt to usher in a messianic age.

Among traditional Jews, the belief in a personal messiah seems to have grown more central in recent years. When I was growing up in the 1950s and 1960s, the subject of the Messiah was rarely, if ever, mentioned at the Jewish school I attended, the Yeshiva of Flatbush. Today however, one large movement within Orthodoxy, Lubavitch, has placed increasing emphasis on the imminence of the Messiah's arrival. At gatherings of their youth organizations, children chant, "We want Ma-shi*akh now."

At the same time, the subject of the Messiah has become increasingly central to many religious Zionists in Israel, particularly to many disciples of the late Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook. The event that helped set the stage for a revived interest in the Messiah was the Six*Day War of 1967, in which Israel captured the Old City of Jerusalem and, for the first time in over two thousand years, achieved Jewish rule over the biblically ordained borders of Israel.

The Messiah

 

[Graybeard]

One Third Of Israeli Jews Want Temple Rebuilt In Jerusalem, Poll Finds

Right-wing organizations devoted to the Temple Mount are buoyed by a new poll they commissioned finding that 30 percent of Israeli Jews support rebuilding the Jewish Temple on the site.

When the poll, commissioned by the Joint Forum of Temple Mount Organizations, asked Israeli Jews, "Are you for or against erecting a Temple on the Temple Mount?" 30 per cent answered in the affirmative, while 45 percent were against and 25 percent said they were not sure.

Among the numerous Temple Mount organizations that initiated the survey, activists are pleased. he results, they believe, show a strengthening of public perception that the Temple Mount is Judaism's holiest and most important site.

The survey was released ahead of next week's Tisha B'Av Jewish day of mourning for the destruction of the First and Second Temples.

Pressure groups

The last few years have seen changing attitudes to the Temple Mount among the national religious and ultra-Orthodox sectors.

There are currently dozens of movements working to change the status quo at the holy site. Some are reconstructing ceremonial objects used in the Temple in the past, while others are making practical preparations for its rebuilding, including a renewal of animal sacrifice. Others deal in political lobbying and in encouraging Jews to visit the Mount.

A growing demand gathering political support is for the status quo on the Mount to be changed so Jews will be able to pray there. The police currently prohibit Jews from praying on the Mount, fearing an outbreak of violence.

Among religious Jews questioned in the survey, 43 percent supported the construction of a Temple, compared to 20 percent among the ultra-Orthodox and the national ultra-Orthodox, and 31 percent among secular Jews.

The survey was financed by a fund called the Israel Independence Fund, and was conducted with 523 Israeli Jewish participants.

"Attempts to distance the People of Israel from its holiest site have failed," said Yehuda Glick, spokesman for the forum of Temple Mount organizations that commissioned the survey.

"State authorities should pay attention to what the nation has said, demanding the imposition of the state's sovereignty on the Temple Mount."

Putting the issue on the agenda

Yet Tomer Persico, a researcher of religions who is studying these movements, dismissed the survey's import.

"How does this commit you to anything when you answer that you are in favor of building the Temple? It doesn't imply that you mean for this to happen right away. [But] without doubt, the survey does indicate that these movements have succeeded in placing the issue on the public's agenda."

The survey further found that among the Israeli Jewish public there is a strong majority (59 percent ) that favors the demand to change the status quo on the Mount. The survey asked whether "the state should enforce an agreement on the Mount, similar to one that exists in the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron, which is shared by Jews and Moslems." Only 23 percent of respondents answered "no" to this question.

Analysis of the survey's results shows a significant change in attitudes among the national-religious public.

While visiting the Mount used to be taboo, 68 percent of religious respondents in the current survey said they would like to come to the site "as part of a visit to Jerusalem." Sixty percent of secular Jews answered the same way, while only 20 percent of ultra-Orthodox respondents expressed such a wish.

In response to a question over whether the state should enforce the right of Jews to pray on the Mount, 70 percent of religious participants answered affirmatively, while 22 percent objected. In all, 48 percent of respondents agreed with such a move.

However, despite the changing attitude to the Mount, the Jewish public still considers the Western Wall to be the faith's holiest site - 66 percent singled out the Kotel for this distinction, compared to 29 percent who chose the Temple Mount.

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[AgeofKnowledge]

It's like I said to this alcoholic at the grocery store who was buying three half gallon bottles of Jack Daniels, "NO DON'T DO IT! IF YOU'RE LUCKY YOU'LL LIVE TO REGRET IT!"

 

[DragonSlayer]

The last Temple built in the ancient world will be the one built by the false messiah, the false Jesus, the Antichrist.

" When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:" Matthew 24:15 ( KJV )


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If the Antichrist was " coming back " as the " Messiah ", which place would he choose ? [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Isn't it Jerusalem? Hence the first believers being persecuted by the Antichrist are those close to the city of Jerusalem, in Judaea. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ok, that's a sensitive issue there, but the truth needs to be told. Since most Jewish people didn't believe Jesus as being the true Messiah, and most Christians reject the literal Lord's Word, they already accepted the Antichrist as being the true Messiah, and they already accepted the Antichrist's fables and lies as being the literal Lord's Word; hence at the end of times, most Jewish people and most Christians will accept the Antichrist as being the true Messiah. And he will command them to build a temple to worship him as Jesus the Messiah. This is the " holy place " in Jerusalem. And once the Antichrist temple is finished, he will officially sit in the temple and declare himself God, Jesus. After that, he will immediately send all his armies on the face of the earth to spread extremely great distresses and sufferings and to persecute and kill all true Christians and all righteous people who will refuse to recognize him as God, as Jesus.( Sounds familiar ? It reminds me the book of Daniel )

The story does not end here. Many Jewish people and Christians, when faced with the unbelievable cruelty of the self-proclaimed " Messiah ", will begin to doubt he is who he claims to be, and many of them would repent and convert to the true Messiah Jesus the Messiah of Nazareth. When most Jewish people and most Christians would repent of their murderers and persecution against the true Lord's disciples and recognize Jesus as the true Lord and Messiah ( Sounds familiar ? It reminds me the story of Paul, the last one of the twelve apostles )
Jesus will come back :
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" O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. " Matthew 23: 37-39 ( KJV )

 

[DragonSlayer]

Ok, the strange irregular format of letters was unintentional. I don't know what happened here.
Anyway, the most important is it's readable.

 

[1still_waters]

Instead of a scenario where new temple built = anti-christ, 7 year covenant etc....

What if the scenario is..new temple...Judaizing Christians deceiving others away from Christ, into temple focus again?

 

[Mammachickadee]

What would they do if they did rebuild it? Start sacrificing animals again? Sounds like a great idea to me. (NOT).

The rebuilding of the temple means the end times are here. It would require a peace treaty between the nations of Isaac and Ishmael... an occurrence that will create the 7 years of peace mentioned in Revelation.

 

[Mammachickadee]

What will make this temple diffrent from The Dome of the rock or Aqsa mosque or even before those the Temple of Jupiter that sat in that very same spot built by unbelivers Hmm ???

The rebuildling of the temple IS spoken of in the Bible. It is a unique occurrence apart of the creation of any holy places since Solomon's temple is that it will follow the EXACT SPECIFICATIONS delineated for the temple, thus making it the location for the placement of the Holy of Holies. It's prophesied that the devil will inhabit a man associated with the city of the seven hills (Rome) and will proclaim through that man that he is become god upon his seat being taken in the temple.

 

[xuanvuive2013]

Good luck !

[video=youtube;F-mjG5d2hJY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-mjG5d2hJY[/video]

 

[zone]

The rebuilding of the temple means the end times are here. It would require a peace treaty between the nations of Isaac and Ishmael... an occurrence that will create the 7 years of peace mentioned in Revelation.

oh rly?

(not)

 

[zone]

Instead of a scenario where new temple built = anti-christ, 7 year covenant etc....

What if the scenario is..new temple...Judaizing Christians deceiving others away from Christ, into temple focus again?

oh now i get it.
that explains the 4 waves thingamjig.
severed from grace.

ok. apostasy. right.
t.y.

 

[1still_waters]

oh now i get it.
that explains the 4 waves thingamjig.
severed from grace.

ok. apostasy. right.
t.y.

Or this could really be flipped on its head.

amills and post mills believe this is yet to happen.

Rev 20
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison [SUP]8 [/SUP]and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. [SUP]9 [/SUP]They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. [SUP]10 [/SUP]The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[SUP][b][/SUP] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

A final loosing of Satan to deceive the nations into battle against the saints and the beloved city.

Where is the beloved city?
I don't think it's earthly Jerusalem.
Rev calls earthly Jerusalem Sodom and Egypt.

Rev 11
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our[SUP][c][/SUP] Lord was crucified.

But there is a beloved, blessed Jerusalem.

Rev 21

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Then I, John,[SUP][a][/SUP] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

What if this loosing war of Satan on the saints and Jerusalem is on Christians who reside in the holy city Jerusalem from above?

Gal 4:26
but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Hebrews 12:22
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

So is there any Satanic wars against the church currently, recently, recent past, that seek to distract us from grace, and point us toward law and reliance and focus on Earthly things like temples, and animal sacrifices and such?

Maybe Satan has finally been loosed.
Maybe that attack is under way now.
Can you think of any movements that have been direct attacks on the church and the core doctrine of grace, and that may in fact focus us on law, temple, and another covenant?

 

[vic1980]

The rebuildling of the temple IS spoken of in the Bible. It is a unique occurrence apart of the creation of any holy places since Solomon's temple is that it will follow the EXACT SPECIFICATIONS delineated for the temple, thus making it the location for the placement of the Holy of Holies. It's prophesied that the devil will inhabit a man associated with the city of the seven hills (Rome) and will proclaim through that man that he is become god upon his seat being taken in the temple.

Mammachickadee: The rebuildling of the temple IS spoken of in the Bible.

Re-read my post ,and trust what Jesus Christ said follow him

 

[zone]

you're too funny still

 

[zone]

[h=1]Israeli minister: We should rebuild Jerusalem Temple[/h]Sunday, July 07, 2013 | Israel Today Staff




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An Israeli cabinet minister last week publicly stated that perhaps the time has come to rebuild the biblical Temple on Jerusalem's Temple Mount.
Most Israelis has no aspirations of rebuilding the Temple. Even among those who would like to see the Temple restored, most do not believe Israel can undertake something so controversial absent a direct act of God.
But that didn't stop Housing and Construction Minister Uri Ariel (Jewish Home) from stating that "we need to build a real Temple on the Temple Mount."
Ariel was speaking at a press event in the Samarian community of Shilo, where archaeologists have uncovered remains of the biblical Tabernacle that was located there for hundreds of years before King David's conquest of Jerusalem.

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A New Muslim Vision: Rebuilding Solomon’s Temple Together

To cast believers out is a heinous and cruel policy, an offense not only to men, but to Islam.
By: Sinem Tezyapar

The Jewish Press

 

[crossnote]

It's like I said to this alcoholic at the grocery store who was buying three half gallon bottles of Jack Daniels, "NO DON'T DO IT! IF YOU'RE LUCKY YOU'LL LIVE TO REGRET IT!"

I think that was my point as well.

 

[crossnote]

Instead of a scenario where new temple built = anti-christ, 7 year covenant etc....

What if the scenario is..new temple...Judaizing Christians deceiving others away from Christ, into temple focus again?

I don't see why the two would have to be exclusive.

ooops, I see, tongue in cheek.

 

[BillyTheKid]

As long as the U.S. isn't paying for it I couldn't care less. Lord knows Obama will catch wind of it and commit to financing it in some way to make himself look good.