WHAT A DEBACLE THAT MEETING WAS, HUH?

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Putin is not a good guy, but he is a masterful statesman... and Zelensky is a twit... but he's a great used car salesman.

The only wild cards in this game are the Europeans, but I don't think they actually want their own men dying in this war.
We'll see.


Zelenky's days as a dictator seem to be numbered.

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You call putin a masterful stateman and zelenskyy a dictator?
 
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You call a putin a masterful stateman and zelensky a dictator?
Zelensky is currently holding power illegally: he cancelled elections so he couldn't be removed from power, then he declared martial law to take brutal control of the country and suspend people's rights. Then he took state control of almost all media. He is literally a dictator... literally.

These are all things people prognosticate that Trump will do, leftists are all terrified Trump will do these very things... and yet, they support a man who has ALREADY DONE THEM. The left is supporting a literal dictator... and it wouldn't be the first time. Just look at South America.


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After watching the entire video I think Z's thinking is just that. Ukraine is either going to be overrun and Putin will just keep going into Poland and onward or the EU,NATO,US are going to draw a line in the sand somewhere in the end. It seems reasonable that he would want the line to be drawn in Ukraine to save his people also but I think he knows it wont really happen and so they will end up overrun. Given the size of Putin's army and him ordering it's enlargement over the last six month's shows his true intentions. It's just best at this time to back out of the deal with Z and blame it on him than sign the deal put soldiers there and watch them end up overrun with Ukraine's. Since Putin already has 600.000 troops in the battle they would invade as fast or faster than the EU or the US could put their troops in Ukraine.
 

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The latest news from Zelensky after being coached during his European tour is that he is trying to apologize to Trump and wants to sign the minerals deal.
Putin just offered us a mineral deal... thus leaving Zelensky with very little negotiating room, and very little time to play games.
I suspect he's feeling very nervous.

It's like Putin saying out loud, "Don't worry America, if we crush Zelensky, you'll be fine. We give you minerals."
ROFL.

I died laughing.
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The latest news from Zelensky after being coached during his European tour is that he is trying to apologize to Trump and wants to sign the minerals deal.

Volodymyr Zelensky says he's 'ready to sign' minerals deal with the US and insists he 'just wanted Ukrainian position to be heard' during disastrous Oval Office meeting with Trump | Daily Mail Online
It's already a lost battlefield so it's best to send troops to the surrounding NATO nations and draw the line there and not sign the deal.
 
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Putin just offered us a mineral deal... thus leaving Zelensky with very little negotiating room, and very little time to play games.
I suspect he's feeling very nervous.

It's like Putin saying out loud, "Don't worry America, if we crush Zelensky, you'll be fine. We give you minerals."
ROFL.

I died laughing.
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It is funny too, Putin trying to keep the US completely off guard and out of the battle for Europe.
 

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It is funny too, Putin trying to keep the US completely off guard and out of the battle for Europe.
C'mon brother.
I'm surprised someone in Texas has this mindset but the global powers are not going to fight each-other directly. We've been over this.
The last time the global powers try to attack each-other directly was during the Cuba blockade.
Global powers fight each other in proxy wars. They always have, always do.
Also we've talked about how Putin for years has said "I don't want Nato near my borders".
It's similar to USA not wanting Russian nukes off the coast of CUBA during the crisis.

The sad part is always the innocent that die in proxy wars when the powers test new equipment.
This is the sad part, and Trump is approaching this on a humanitarian basis to stop the killings and the bullets as he said, and then on a monetary basis.
 
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It is funny too, Putin trying to keep the US completely off guard and out of the battle for Europe.
I have yet to see any evidence that indicates Putin is in a battle for Europe.

We can all pretend to be mind readers, but I simply haven't seen any evidence to indicate his sights are on Europe.
In fact, if you consider the state of Russia's economy, and the state of it's military, it seems a bit ludicrous.
Just my view.

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C'mon brother.
I'm surprised someone in Texas has this mindset but the global powers are not going to fight each-other directly. We've been over this.
The last time the global powers try to attack each-other directly was during the Cuba blockade.
Global powers fight each other in proxy wars. They always have, always do.
Also we've talked about how Putin for years has said "I don't want Nato near my borders".
It's similar to USA not wanting Russian nukes off the coast of CUBA during the crisis.

The sad part is always the innocent that die in proxy wars when the powers test new equipment.
This is the sad part, and Trump is approaching this on a humanitarian basis to stop the killings and the bullets as he said, and then on a monetary basis.
There you go Cuba blockade, think like that because we are as close to the 60's as we ever were since the 60's. The only difference is Ukraine is right next to Russia and the wind blows from the west to the east and that would cause Putin to do things with measure to so the fallout doesn't blow back across Moscow. This is off the table now though because we don't have troops in Ukraine and so we need to draw another line farther west.
 
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I have yet to see any evidence that indicates Putin is in a battle for Europe.

We can all pretend to be mind readers, but I simply haven't seen any evidence to indicate his sights are on Europe.
In fact, if you consider the state of Russia's economy, and the state of it's military, it seems a bit ludicrous.
Just my view.

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Compared to whose? Trump's not saying he wants to be a peace maker and calling on the EU to put up their share of troops and money just for grins. https://cuellar.house.gov/debt.html
 

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I have yet to see any evidence that indicates Putin is in a battle for Europe.

We can all pretend to be mind readers, but I simply haven't seen any evidence to indicate his sights are on Europe.
In fact, if you consider the state of Russia's economy, and the state of it's military, it seems a bit ludicrous.
Just my view.

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you have yet to see it because there is none,

the whole " putin wants to conquer europe" is a neocon-rino-globalist talking point that is just propaganda..
 
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you have yet to see it because there is none,

the whole " putin wants to conquer europe" is a neocon-rino-globalist talking point that is just propaganda..
Well, fwiw, he has at least managed to create some saber-rattling in Europe. Just what the world needed right now. Another entity presenting their nuclear weapons to the world.

America has spent decades cooperating with Europe to keep Russia at bay.

The big question is why the current administration is trying to make Europe stop buying our war merch?
 

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Well, fwiw, he has at least managed to create some saber-rattling in Europe. Just what the world needed right now. Another entity presenting their nuclear weapons to the world.

America has spent decades cooperating with Europe to keep Russia at bay.

The big question is why the current administration is trying to make Europe stop buying our war merch?
putin has repeatedly said he is not going to try and take europe.


the russians can't even take and hold any significant territory in ukraine. and they are going to conquer europe??

:rolleyes:
 

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putin has repeatedly said he is not going to try and take europe.


the russians can't even take and hold any significant territory in ukraine. and they are going to conquer europe??

:rolleyes:
I do not think it was Russia's plan to take more territory, it is a war of attrition.
 
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Well, fwiw, he has at least managed to create some saber-rattling in Europe. Just what the world needed right now. Another entity presenting their nuclear weapons to the world.

America has spent decades cooperating with Europe to keep Russia at bay.

The big question is why the current administration is trying to make Europe stop buying our war merch?

On the first page someone posted the entire meeting but it's really interesting to put some ear plugs in and watch Z's and Trumps facial expressions and head reactions to what each other is saying. Z shakes his head no multiple times and Trump wrinkles his eyebrows at Z's responses and changes the subject. It was a really bad amateur mistake to take a leader and sit him in a televised negotiation without discussing the plan with him first and Z lets the cat out of the bag to the Russians.
 

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On the first page someone posted the entire meeting but it's really interesting to put some ear plugs in and watch Z's and Trumps facial expressions and head reactions to what each other is saying. Z shakes his head no multiple times and Trump wrinkles his eyebrows at Z's responses and changes the subject. It was a really bad amateur mistake to take a leader and sit him in a televised negotiation without discussing the plan with him first and Z lets the cat out of the bag to the Russians.

They had met prior to Trump's inauguration.
Not sure which "cat" was let out of the bag?
 
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They had met prior to Trump's inauguration.
Not sure which "cat" was let out of the bag?
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No really start at about the 19 minute part of the video and watch Z face response at what Trump answers about sending arms and security to Ukraine. Trump say's yes he was but not much and z looks shocked about not needing much. Then about the 21 minute mark Trump says he was speaking to France the other day and He(Trump) doesn't think they were going to need a lot of security. Z looks extremely let down and begins shaking his head no at what Trump is saying so it was the first he had heard of it.