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Will someone who says there is no fraud in the election please give me proof that there was no fraud. I probably missed the proof that there was no fraud on the news and I would like to have that info.
"The Heritage Foundation’s database includes 1,296 “proven instances of voter fraud” out of the hundreds of millions of votes cast going back to 1992. Of those cases identified, 1,120 resulted in criminal convictions."

There would have to be a whole load of fraud happening and many involved in collusion in Trumps claims.
 

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friend, two points you ought to understand.

One, posting on YouTube or Facebook or Christianchat.com is not a constitutionally guaranteed right. I hat is not how 'freedom of speech' is defined. Beside the fact that those are all privately owned and operated organizations that have the freedom to do whatever they like, there are cases where you don't have freedom of speech. You can't incite violence, sedition or treason and hide behind the 1st amendment, for example.

Two, the way the law works in this nation is 'innocent until proven guilty' not the other way around. This is also a basic tenet of logical argumentation; the burden of proof lies witht the person making the extraordinary claims.


Be a Christian, not a republican or a democrat. Be wise, not a fool driven about by every wind of conspiracy and cult of personality.
The Supreme Court has ruled that the exceptions to Free Speech are Obsenity, Deframation, Fraud, Incitement, True Threats and Speech Integral to already Criminal Conduct.

I strongly disagree with you bringing my Christian beliefs into view just because we have different opinions with regards to free speech. Have you studied the writings of James Madison, and reviewed the rulings of the Supreme Court on Free Speech? Social Media is protected by Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (I’m sure you have reviewed that law). Without that protection they would change their operating procedures. Just review Twitters taking down all posts from and about The NY Post article on Hunter Biden. They reversed their position when their stock price took a sizable hit.

Christianity is not political (being a Republican or a Democrat) but rather it is my belief in the One True and Living God.
 

GST

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"The Heritage Foundation’s database includes 1,296 “proven instances of voter fraud” out of the hundreds of millions of votes cast going back to 1992. Of those cases identified, 1,120 resulted in criminal convictions."

There would have to be a whole load of fraud happening and many involved in collusion in Trumps claims.
Fraud is fraud whether is one vote or thousands.
 
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As for the person who said Freedom of Speech is not an absolute right please stop your speech, it is offensive to me As a U.S. Citizen.

Censoring speech because someone’s disagrees with something is just simply wrong.
Well that is a consistent position. :D
 
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Be a Christian, not a republican or a democrat. Be wise, not a fool driven about by every wind of conspiracy and cult of personality.
there is no wisdom in what you have said

don't play 'Christian' and try to moralize in order to shut others up

that's all you are doing
 
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Yep
They never conceded for 4 years.

Now they want a concession b 4 the fraud comes into the light.
from 2016 on they have never changed their leader

he set their course a long time ago...before Trump

some folks call him ole nick
 
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lenna

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Thank you, this is legal language we are addressing not the common vernacular of language.
calling on someone to act like a Christian is legal language to you?
 

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I strongly disagree with you bringing my Christian beliefs into view
that's not what i'm doing.

i'll state this plainly: being a member/supporter of a worldly political party is not part of being a Christian. carnal partisanship is not Christianity. i am not saying it is incompatible with Christianity to vote or to have preferences or opinions about some worldly policy or worldly politician, but i am saying that when a person is being a republican or being a democrat, they are not being a Christian. they are being worldly.

be a Christian. follow Christ. God is not a respecter of persons or a respecter of carnal gangs; He judges righteously, with no partiality.
 

calibob

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So was I. My point was to just rest in Him. Sometimes we don't get the answer that we want. I see people are all over the place and angry and letting that anger get the better of them. Not you, you have remained reasonable and easy to converse with.:)
Sorry if you misunderstood. I wasn't replying to what you posted. I was piggybacking on it is all. I agreed and gave you a gold ribbon..
 

posthuman

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there is no wisdom in what you have said

don't play 'Christian' and try to moralize in order to shut others up

that's all you are doing
all i'm doing is saying earthly partisanship is not Christianity.
alleging yourself with any worldly political group is not part of following Jesus.


you disagree with that? read Philippians 3:17-21

what i am saying is set your mind on heavenly things, not earthly things. you think that's foolish?
 
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lenna

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all i'm doing is saying earthly partisanship is not Christianity.
alleging yourself with any worldly political group is not part of following Jesus.


you disagree with that? read Philippians 3:17-21

what i am saying is set your mind on heavenly things, not earthly things. you think that's foolish?

posting on this site is not Christianity either. you can tell by the constant flare ups, anger and mockery

what is your mind set on when you tell others they are not living up to YOUR expectations?

kindly don't fling scripture at me. I am not subject to your interpretations

this has nothing to do with who someone is aligning themselves with

you have to be so far in left field you are touching right if you actually think that
 

posthuman

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what is your mind set on when you tell others they are not living up to YOUR expectations?
Where did I say anything about my expectations? You don't realize what a pessimist I am, sis.

I think anyone offended by hearing 'the GOP is not the church any more than the DNC is' has some serious doctrinal issues. Put a thread in the BDF if you disagree and can justify your objection with scripture; it'd be a timely and relevant thread. If you don't think that discussion belongs in the Bible discussion then you are proving my point.
 

posthuman

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you have not got a clue what I think
When anyone says "there's no wisdom in 'that'" I rather think it's a clear & direct implication the person thinks 'that' is foolish.
But if you're trying to tell me what you say isn't necessarily what you think then I can't speak to deceit.
 
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