Why are school shootings a sole unique American problem?

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Socreta93

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Many blame guns (many Europeans countries allow access to guns yet none of this happens, many blame the people and mental healthy there is always something to blame but we never get to the actual root of the problem. Why does it happen in America at a much larger rate than the rest of the world?

 

Magenta

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Fatherlessness is the most reliable predictor of crime in America.
 

Cameron143

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Fatherlessness is the most reliable predictor of crime in America.
It has been demonstrated that if people will get an education and get married before having children, there chances of ending up in poverty is greatly reduced. Perhaps governmental policies and programs should reflect this rather than preying on the most susceptible to get votes.
And taking the 10 commandments out of the public square has had the effect of allowing greater lawlessness.
Guns aren't the problem. The devaluation of life is.
 
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Fatherlessness is the most reliable predictor of crime in America.
This doesn't seem to be the case with school shootings. I looked at the deadlies school shootings of the last few years and the only shooter with an sent father was Nikloas Curz, who's father had died of a heart attack a few years before the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida.

I think it would be more accurate to say that Fatherlessness is the most reliable predictor of poverty in America
 

Magenta

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This doesn't seem to be the case with school shootings. I looked at the deadliest
school shootings of the last few years and the only shooter with an sent father was
Nikloas Curz, who's father had died of a heart attack a few years before the shooting
at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida.

I think it would be more accurate to say that Fatherlessness is the most reliable predictor of poverty in America
The Fatherhood Educational Institute has shared statistics showing that 72% of all teenage
murderers grew up without fathers; 60% of rapists were raised in fatherless homes; 70% of
kids now incarcerated in juvenile corrections facilities grew up in a single-parent environment.
Additionally, a growing body of evidence shows a high correlation between fatherlessness and
violence among young men, especially violence against women.
source

PS~ Poverty and crime often occur simultaneously.
 

gb9

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This doesn't seem to be the case with school shootings. I looked at the deadlies school shootings of the last few years and the only shooter with an sent father was Nikloas Curz, who's father had died of a heart attack a few years before the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida.

I think it would be more accurate to say that Fatherlessness is the most reliable predictor of poverty in America
sadly, along side of that, kids here in america take a lot ( too many) psychotropic drugs for depression.

these can cause a disconnect from reality. couple those two with shoot um up video games, there is strong connection with school shootings.
 
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The Fatherhood Educational Institute has shared statistics showing that 72% of all teenage
murderers grew up without fathers; 60% of rapists were raised in fatherless homes; 70% of
kids now incarcerated in juvenile corrections facilities grew up in a single-parent environment.
Additionally, a growing body of evidence shows a high correlation between fatherlessness and
violence among young men, especially violence against women.
source

PS~ Poverty and crime often occur simultaneously.
I was unable to track down any information on the research the FEI used in coming up with these numbers. I am particularly interested in what standards they used to determine what growing up without a father means. is it just not in the home? is it a total absence? what about fathers who become absent with the child is at different ages? I recently read research about how divorced fathers, on average spend more time interacting with their children then fathers in intact families.

I also found it interesting that the FEI gave statistics about states with the highest percentage of absent fathers but these states have some of the lowest rates of rape and murder. For instance the FEI says that Mississippi has the highest rather of absent fathers 36.2% but Mississippi has the third lowest incidence of rape in the country 25 per 100k with only Iowa and New Jersey being lower.
 
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sadly, along side of that, kids here in america take a lot ( too many) psychotropic drugs for depression.

these can cause a disconnect from reality. couple those two with shoot um up video games, there is strong connection with school shootings.
sadly this doesn't hold up to scrutiny. research done by Voice of America found that less than 20% of mass shooters were taking or had ever taken antidepressants and that number is even lower for school shooters with only two school shooters in the last five years being on anti-depressants
 

ZNP

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Perhaps the effect of school shootings is completely unrelated to the cause, but one effect of these shootings is to fuel a debate about gun rights in this country.
 

MsMediator

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Most of us can think of one kid during our school time where we wouldn't be surprised if that kid ended up being a school/mass shooter. That's a lot of people. These kids have major anger problems and probably come from bad homes, were abused, and to add to that maybe/probably their brains were wired differently when they were born. Plus, add the easy access to guns.
 
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Many blame guns (many Europeans countries allow access to guns yet none of this happens, many blame the people and mental healthy there is always something to blame but we never get to the actual root of the problem. Why does it happen in America at a much larger rate than the rest of the world?

because we have it written in the constitution we have that right,and like everything else its about control.they want that right revoked . some are staged in order to keep fear and panic as they push toward their goal of disarming americans....and no I dont own a gun
 

MsMediator

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because we have it written in the constitution we have that right,and like everything else its about control.they want that right revoked . some are staged in order to keep fear and panic as they push toward their goal of disarming americans....and no I dont own a gun
There were gun bans on blacks and blacks faced greater scrutiny when purchasing guns. Even MLK could not get a permit. The U.S. has already had a history of disarming Americans in order to control people.

I think most non-politicians/people (who want gun bans) want these bans to reduce gun violence. Most women are shot by men they know rather than strangers. The politicians and powers that be may want gun bans for different reasons but again these people are voted in by the people. End result is the same.
 

Lanolin

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maybe its what they are teaching in school?
Or one person did it then they all copied. Target practice?

The US has 'right to bear arms' embedded in their consitution while other countries dont have this particular thing, so having a gun and shooting it must be super important to them.

Sikhs need to carry a knife, but doesnt seem like theres lots of stabbing incidents in their schools. Who knows? :rolleyes:
 

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Many blame guns (many Europeans countries allow access to guns yet none of this happens, many blame the people and mental healthy there is always something to blame but we never get to the actual root of the problem. Why does it happen in America at a much larger rate than the rest of the world?

Maybe this has some impact on the issue. It is lengthy and maybe jump to responses at end to see what a few have said Particularly response of artists friend, anonymous.>>https://www.songmeaningsandfacts.com/barry-mcguires-eve-of-destruction-lyrics-meaning/
 

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Many blame guns (many Europeans countries allow access to guns yet none of this happens, many blame the people and mental healthy there is always something to blame but we never get to the actual root of the problem. Why does it happen in America at a much larger rate than the rest of the world?

Corruption. Once one of these false flag shootings is properly investigated, and the investigation leads to one or both major political parties and connections to powerful financial backers, and proper justice (so far as man is able) is dealt to the convicted, I doubt there will be many more school shootings to try to justify overthrowing the Constitutional right for of every man to defend his life, his family and his property.
 

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Prior to 1980 ethics courses were not required????>>>>>Everyone was ethical?>>>>Everyone was Christian?>>>>Everyone didn't realize ethics was a necessity for society?>>>Everyone didn't care so long as they got theirs?
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Eli1

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It has been demonstrated that if people will get an education and get married before having children, there chances of ending up in poverty is greatly reduced. Perhaps governmental policies and programs should reflect this rather than preying on the most susceptible to get votes.
And taking the 10 commandments out of the public square has had the effect of allowing greater lawlessness.
Guns aren't the problem. The devaluation of life is.
Seriously? Guns aren’t the problem?
I’m surprised at your answer but everyone has their own free will.
 

Cameron143

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Seriously? Guns aren’t the problem?
I’m surprised at your answer but everyone has their own free will.
Despite what many would have you believe, guns don't kill people; people kill people using guns.
There has always been a proliferation of guns in America. School shootings and other mass shootings are a recent phenomenon. So what has changed?
We no longer value life. We have been told that a blob of tissue isn't life, that only certain lives matter, and that older people should be sent home to die comfortably.
Ask yourself this question: how many people who see each person as being in the image of God and, thus are of eternal value, take another life, regardless of how many guns they have access to?
I am also a strong believer in personal responsibility. I believe blaming guns takes the onus off the true culprit and places on a false one. And I believe until we do this we will not identify the problem correctly and never solve the problem.
I appreciate your perspective from an emotional point of view. But I don't think it will bring about a desired end.
 

Eli1

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Despite what many would have you believe, guns don't kill people; people kill people using guns.
There has always been a proliferation of guns in America. School shootings and other mass shootings are a recent phenomenon. So what has changed?
We no longer value life. We have been told that a blob of tissue isn't life, that only certain lives matter, and that older people should be sent home to die comfortably.
Ask yourself this question: how many people who see each person as being in the image of God and, thus are of eternal value, take another life, regardless of how many guns they have access to?
I am also a strong believer in personal responsibility. I believe blaming guns takes the onus off the true culprit and places on a false one. And I believe until we do this we will not identify the problem correctly and never solve the problem.
I appreciate your perspective from an emotional point of view. But I don't think it will bring about a desired end.
It’s okay. Keep believing this programming from NRA where they taught you that ”guns don’t kill people”, because we fight wars with airbags or elevators or knives.

At the end of the day we choose our places to live to keep our families safe. I’ve chosen a place with strict gun control, good family values and faith in God.
Because if I was a gun enthusiast I’d be in Texas and collect like 20 guns for “protection”.