WHY CAN'T THE ISRAELIS AND PALESTINIANS MAKE PEACE?

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SomeDisciple

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Comparing apples to atom bombs. One is competing nationalisms, the other is competing religion.

Religion tends to compete in more peaceful ways... in order to burn each other at the stake, they have to mess with the civil government and the civil government is not always so concerned with religious doctrines so much as the prosperity of the nation.

When a nation believes something is theirs, they just go to war and take it.
 
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arthurfleminger said:
The State of Israel was re-established in 1948, almost 75 years ago. There has never been any peace between the Israelis and Palestinians in all that time. Each side seems to hate each other as much as ever. What will it take to make peace between these peoples?

The situation can't be hopeless. Look at Ireland, the Protestants and Catholics hated each other for many years. While they may not love each other, they have managed to create a peace amongst themselves.

So when are the Israelis and Palestinians going to make peace, what's stopping them???????
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End time prophecy. And the absolute necessity of the soon coming of King Jesus. Clearly.
 
Dude653

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Imagine I forced myself into your house and said your house and everything in it is mine now.
You can still stay here but I get to decide which rooms you can use.
That's basically what's happening in Palestine
 
HeIsHere

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Dude653 said:
Imagine I forced myself into your house and said your house and everything in it is mine now.
You can still stay here but I get to decide which rooms you can use.
That's basically what's happening in Palestine
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They were given the land by Britain in 1917 under the Balfour declaration after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

The land was conquered by the Brits, but I suspect the intent of the Rothschild clan was to create turmoil in this part of the world.
So can we say this is some miracle of God, I doubt it.
 
ZNP

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Dude653 said:
Imagine I forced myself into your house and said your house and everything in it is mine now.
You can still stay here but I get to decide which rooms you can use.
That's basically what's happening in Palestine
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That's also what is happening right now in the US as most of us came into this country after it was already inhabited by the native Americans, same thing with Canada, same thing with South and Central America.

Imagine you are the pot calling the kettle black.
 
JohnDB

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The Moslem prophet Muhammad predicted that Israel would fall and NEVER rise again.

Currently the Dome of the Rock is occupied by Moslems....

However, if Israel were to reconstitute and rebuild the Temple the the prophet Muhammad would be a false prophet and an entire religion is now defunct. (Which is why many Muslim countries do not recognize Israel even exists)

So Currently there is a problem with the Muslim religion....the UAE has broken with the Muslim world and entered a peace treaty with Israel. (And a lot of trade agreements beneficial to both sides)

To begin with the "Palestinians" are a group formed to destabilize nations....they truly have no home and are wandering troublemakers. Their funding comes from religious groups around the world.
So from time to time, in order to keep the fundraising going, they carry out an attack on Israel.
They are the epitome of race baiting. Palestinians can't exist without Israel. There really wasn't anything in Israel before the Jews re-occupied the land. No infrastructure and just a few houses in Old Jerusalem.
None of the modern shops, restaurants, state of the art hospitals, or research facilities would exist.

The Jews have the run of the place for sure...and where thats annoying in itself...it is theirs.
 
Dude653

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ZNP said:
That's also what is happening right now in the US as most of us came into this country after it was already inhabited by the native Americans, same thing with Canada, same thing with South and Central America.

Imagine you are the pot calling the kettle black.
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Just saying. An occupied country is going to fight back
 
HeIsHere

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ZNP said:
That's also what is happening right now in the US as most of us came into this country after it was already inhabited by the native Americans, same thing with Canada, same thing with South and Central America.

Imagine you are the pot calling the kettle black.
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Not really comparable.
 
ZNP

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HeIsHere said:
Not really comparable.
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Of course it isn't because if you admit that it is your position is hypocritical, so no choice but to deny that this is applicable.

But you are not the arbiter of what is and is not relevant.
 
Dude653

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ZNP said:
Of course it isn't because if you admit that it is your position is hypocritical, so no choice but to deny that this is applicable.

But you are not the arbiter of what is and is not relevant.
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It's whataboutism
 
ZNP

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Dude653 said:
It's whataboutism
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I would say it is hypocrisy, I'll let the jury decide, however, to be fair the Jury should be half Palestinians and half Native Americans.
 
HeIsHere

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ZNP said:
Of course it isn't because if you admit that it is your position is hypocritical, so no choice but to deny that this is applicable.

But you are not the arbiter of what is and is not relevant.
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Explain the hypocrisy please.

How are these two situations comparable?
 
Magenta

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The angel of the LORD proceeded: “Behold, you have conceived and will bear a son.
And you shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard your cry of affliction. He
will be a wild donkey of a man, and his hand will be against everyone, and everyone’s
hand against him; he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.” Genesis 16:11-12
 
Dude653

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ZNP said:
I would say it is hypocrisy, I'll let the jury decide, however, to be fair the Jury should be half Palestinians and half Native Americans.
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Your take on this makes no sense. You're saying because of something that happened in America 200 years before I was born, I'm not allowed to have an opinion on what's happening in Palestine
 
HeIsHere

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Dude653 said:
Your take on this makes no sense. You're saying because of something that happened in America 200 years before I was born, I'm not allowed to have an opinion on what's happening in Palestine
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Makes sense is absolutely correct, such different situations
 
ZNP

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HeIsHere said:
Explain the hypocrisy please.

How are these two situations comparable?
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Europeans came into the land of America and pushed the Native Americans out, often by cheating them on their treaties and changing the terms.

Likewise the Palestinians can feel that they were in Israel before the Jews were, though that obviously depends on how far back you wish to go, but certainly over the last two thousand years they were, and what has happened the UN just decided they could move into the land. Meanwhile there have been many attempts at peace treaties and every year it seems things just get worse and worse for the Palestinians.

The hypocrisy is someone in America pointing their finger at Israel and saying they are unrighteous while ignoring their own sins.
 
ZNP

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Dude653 said:
Your take on this makes no sense. You're saying because of something that happened in America 200 years before I was born, I'm not allowed to have an opinion on what's happening in Palestine
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No, I am not part of the cancel culture, you were not censored and I have not even suggested that you should be censored. This is a red herring.
 
HeIsHere

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ZNP said:
Europeans came into the land of America and pushed the Native Americans out, often by cheating them on their treaties and changing the terms.

Likewise the Palestinians can feel that they were in Israel before the Jews were, though that obviously depends on how far back you wish to go, but certainly over the last two thousand years they were, and what has happened the UN just decided they could move into the land. Meanwhile there have been many attempts at peace treaties and every year it seems things just get worse and worse for the Palestinians.

The hypocrisy is someone in America pointing their finger at Israel and saying they are unrighteous while ignoring their own sins.
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Well if the USA and Canada are illegitimate countries so is every other country on the planet since history is a story of conquests and subjugation told over and over again.

The narrative that USA/Canada were stolen is largely an exaggeration by modern historians and there is good evidence other civilizations preceded the aboriginals.

Anyway, I have read your posts you are prone to exaggerations and ad hominem I have absolutely no desire to engage you on any topic.
 
soberxp

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Before the creation of the State of Israel, the local Palestinian people warmly welcomed the Jews and accepted them into their settlement. Can anyone tell me how things happened as now?
 
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