Woman Pastor Explains Her Abortion

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we all have our moments of over-whelming emotion and can say things
that we really don't mean at all while going through a terrible time of personal weakness...
perhaps at these times we may very well be doubting ourselves and not our Father at all...
 

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Eh, some are prideful. Some are just right. ;)
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Love you too. I hope I did not come across as provoking with you because that was not my intention at all. I have mad respect for you.
 

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Im not sure that anyone here has actually cast judgment on her at all, but have only said that she is wrong and is not speaking from the word of God.

As for Christians and judgment-

"Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy." (Prov 31:9)
Jesus commended Simon, "Thou hast rightly judged." (Luke 7:43)
"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." (1 Cor 2:15)
"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" (1 Cor 6:2)
"Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?" (1 Cor 6:3)

If we are to never make any judgments ever, how do we know who to follow? This woman claims to teach the word of God, and also advocates sin. So yes, we should judge whether or not shes truly speaking the word of God.
I judged her in that she's everything wrong with liberalism. She adorns herself as a shepherd but she's a wolf who has an agenda contrary to God's will. It's that simple.
 
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This is true. Having the discussion is not the problem I see in this thread. The problem I see is defending God, or our beliefs ,and thinking that we are accomplishing anything if we stop walking in the Spirit and in love as we have the conversation. There's been really bad behavior in here that is very dishonoring to our Lord. It's great blindness to worry about this woman and what she's done if you are blind to your own need to repent for how you're behaving and speaking. That's the blind trying to lead the blind. Will you pat yourselves on the back now?
What you call bad behavior, I call righteous indignation.
 

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so my neighbor got bad news the other day. Her cancer is to the point where there are no treatment options. They are sending her home to live out her last remaining days. Her children and husband are suffering terrible heartbreak. By some peoples account on this thread, abortion would have saved everyone in this family from suffering. Life is a gift...everyday above the grass is a gift. It's not our place to choose who lives and who dies. But as long as sin reigns supreme in the world there will be death and heartache.

Found an interesting article the other day. Some pretty well respected scientists believe that the soul lives on after our expiration date.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/212...ans-have-souls-which-can-live-on-after-death/
 

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so my neighbor got bad news the other day. Her cancer is to the point where there are no treatment options. They are sending her home to live out her last remaining days. Her children and husband are suffering terrible heartbreak. By some peoples account on this thread, abortion would have saved everyone in this family from suffering. Life is a gift...everyday above the grass is a gift. It's not our place to choose who lives and who dies. But as long as sin reigns supreme in the world there will be death and heartache.

Found an interesting article the other day. Some pretty well respected scientists believe that the soul lives on after our expiration date.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/212...ans-have-souls-which-can-live-on-after-death/
Amen to this. Funny, everyone's pro-life when they're in the womb but unfortunately many folks change their minds once they've made it through the port hole.
 
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so my neighbor got bad news the other day. Her cancer is to the point where there are no treatment options. They are sending her home to live out her last remaining days. Her children and husband are suffering terrible heartbreak. By some peoples account on this thread, abortion would have saved everyone in this family from suffering. Life is a gift...everyday above the grass is a gift. It's not our place to choose who lives and who dies. But as long as sin reigns supreme in the world there will be death and heartache.

Found an interesting article the other day. Some pretty well respected scientists believe that the soul lives on after our expiration date.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/212...ans-have-souls-which-can-live-on-after-death/
This is interesting.

I can understand the campaign to legalize euthanasia and I sympathize to a degree. In cases of terminal illness, a person who opts to end their own life before deteriorating beyond recognition has a right to die with dignity. They aren't making a choice to take another's life as in abortion. I do understand the libertarian mindset here that the government should not have the right to legislate how and when we die. I have given this issue a lot of thought over the years.

That being said, as a Christian, I can't in a good conscience support euthanasia as being a morally good choice. If we have faith in Christ, we need to trust him with our life and death and commit our souls/ lives into his keeping. I agree with you that it is not our place to choose who lives and who dies. Even with abortion in cases of rape and incest, I sympathize with those who want to terminate the pregnancy. I've often wondered how I would feel in that situation. I took a very strong anti- abortion stance in all my posts in this thread, because the woman was a minster and advocating abortion. The more I think about abortion or euthanasia and try to see it from God's point of view, the more I realize how wrong it is for Christians to choose to end life. We may have good intentions and feel we are doing the best thing in the situation, but we are making choices in our own wisdom and strength and not God's
 

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Too long a story to tell so I'll use bullet points:

During the Great Depression a woman became pregnant.
Against her will she was persuaded to have an abortion.
As she was leaving her house to have the abortion a severe storm hit and she was forced to wait 15 minutes before it was safe to go outside.
During those 15 minutes she decided to keep her baby.
A few months later my mother was born.
You bet your sweet mule I'm pro-life.
 
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Too long a story to tell so I'll use bullet points:

During the Great Depression a woman became pregnant.
Against her will she was persuaded to have an abortion.
As she was leaving her house to have the abortion a severe storm hit and she was forced to wait 15 minutes before it was safe to go outside.
During those 15 minutes she decided to keep her baby.
A few months later my mother was born.
You bet your sweet mule I'm pro-life.
I don't think any woman actually wants to kill their baby. Usually someone else, or society is behind it. It is a great pressure on women to kill babies. I'm glad your grandmother stood firmly up against the others.
 
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I don't think any woman actually wants to kill their baby. Usually someone else, or society is behind it. It is a great pressure on women to kill babies. I'm glad your grandmother stood firmly up against the others.
This is an excellent point. How many young women have basically been told that the "responsible" thing to do is to have an abortion? They are told they aren't mature enough to be a mom, the child will grow up underprivileged, etc.

This is why I posted earlier on in the thread that Christians need to do more for young mothers. We have to combat the idea that abortion is the only responsible choice. I also think that a lot of abortions have occurred because of the shame and negative stereotype that goes along with having a child as a teen out of wedlock