Yet another shooting

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

All the weapons in the hands of "trained military personnel " is exactly what the devil has been fighting FOR. The Bible tells us of the Philistines who disarmed God's people and put them under bondage. Must I remind us again of The past hundred years ?
Trained military personnel murdered their own people more than those of other nations.

"It works in practice" you say?

Indeed it does.
View attachment 250568

And don't forget that when the Nazis occupied France, the first thing they demanded of the French citizens were their guns in all forms!

I won't even listen to people from other countries who want us to disarm and remove our 2nd amendment. They're just jealous that we can still defend ourselves. I read the comments of plenty of Australians and others elsewhere who wish they had something like our 2nd Amendment.

❧

 

[Cameron143]

I won't even listen to people from other countries who want us to disarm and remove our 2nd amendment. They're just jealous that we can still defend ourselves. I read the comments of plenty of Australians and others elsewhere who wish they had something like our 2nd Amendment.

❧

When you give up your guns your freedoms will soon follow.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I support one gun control law. If one uses a fire arm in the commission of a crime the death penalty will be mandatory, and the execution should be immediately after the third appeal.

 

[ZNP]

I support one gun control law. If one uses a fire arm in the commission of a crime the death penalty will be mandatory, and the execution should be immediately after the third appeal.

Fortunately for Rittenhouse there was irrefutable video evidence, others may not be so fortunate.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

@Locoponydirtman
Concerning ZNPs example .....

Fortunately for Rittenhouse there was irrefutable video evidence, others may not be so fortunate.

The Bible demands the.death penalty for murder. I think a cut and dry.law like demanding the same penalty might run into problems when applied to "any crime."
For instance, your example with Rittenhouse.
If that law were in place, all the prosecutor would need to prove is that Rittenhouse was under age for possession of a weapon and would come under criminal code.
Do you see what I mean?

There was a case of a young girl who retrieved her parent's firearm to shoot an intruder who broke into the house when her parents were gone. She saved the life of her younger sibling.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

@Locoponydirtman
Concerning ZNPs example .....


The Bible demands the.death penalty for murder. I think a cut and dry.law like demanding the same penalty might run into problems when applied to "any crime."
For instance, your example with Rittenhouse.
If that law were in place, all the prosecutor would need to prove is that Rittenhouse was under age for possession of a weapon and would come under criminal code.
Do you see what I mean?

There was a case of a young girl who retrieved her parent's firearm to shoot an intruder who broke into the house when her parents were gone. She saved the life of her younger sibling.

You are applying other guncontrol laws. I said one. Self defense is not a crime.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I support one gun control law. If one uses a fire arm in the commission of a crime the death penalty will be mandatory, and the execution should be immediately after the third appeal.

I understand and agree however the spirit of your point. If someone has committed a crime with a firearm, they intended to use it if need be to steal.

A family member and I have been attacked by much more powerful enemies who tried to kill us with weapons. I've studied the Bible on this issue and the sociology of the situations as applied to others. Each case is unique and I believe the Bible covers each in enough details. One of the problems is that the legal system rejected the Bible as source of law.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

You are applying other guncontrol laws. I said one. Self defense is not a crime.

I agree with your sentiment. I just think that many prosecutors are not interested in much other than promotion of their careers. If that prosecutor could get Rittenhouse guilty on possession charge, even with a death penalty, then he would.
True, but Rittenhouse was on trial with multiple charges. It was a clear case of self defense. The prosecutor tried to deny evidence to the jury and acted in a manner that the Bible says that he should be held to suffer the punishment he tried to inflict upon Rittenhouse.

That said, the average person fears arrest by the police for illegal carry of weapons more than getting murdered by the street criminals.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I understand and agree however the spirit of your point. If someone has committed a crime with a firearm, they intended to use it if need be to steal.

A family member and I have been attacked by much more powerful enemies who tried to kill us with weapons. I've studied the Bible on this issue and the sociology of the situations as applied to others. Each case is unique and I believe the Bible covers each in enough details. One of the problems is that the legal system rejected the Bible as source of law.

We have a serious problem, that we have abdicated the fathers role to the government in far too many spheres.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

You are applying other guncontrol laws. I said one. Self defense is not a crime.

Many jurisdictions consider self defense as a crime. I was threatened with arrest by a bad cop who told me to not buy a firearm to carry in the wilderness for self defense from criminals. This happened when I stated that someone tried to murder me and my fishing buddy on the way to our fishing spot along a river. Out of the blue, for no reason known to us, he shot at us with a semiautomatic high powered caliber rifle while we were walking along railroad tracks. He was on a road above the cliff overshadowing us, while we were minding our own business.
We escaped with our lives. The bad cop threatened me and made it clear that if I had a weapon and had returned fire in self defense in that instance, he would have arrested ME.
I was outraged by the policeman who was siding with a clear case of attempted murder who wanted me to be a disarmed victim and trust the guys in blue.
Had there been a death penalty on ANY USE of a firearm in commission of a crime, then he, the prosecutor and perhaps the judge would be sentencing me to death for a clear case of self defense against a murderer.
What the NRA has been promoting for generations as "reasonable gun laws" has in reality undermined our God given rights more than the evil politicians. I've been preaching this to the NRA choir for years.
I'm not saying that is you,. I'm just stating that anything more than the Bible can be a slippery slope.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

We have a serious problem, that we have abdicated the fathers role to the government in far too many spheres.

The lawmakers have been very clever.
They have taken over the family unit piece by piece. You and I have the responsibility to protect our families and I believe can do it a whole lot better than any gt. on the planet.
The gts have sided and abetted criminals, because they demand to be the biggest, most powerful crime syndicates. They demand to be trusted in place of God. They demand to be depended upon usurping the role of fathers as head of their families.
That is a general statement, but I give exception to specific individuals who are in those systems, but not of those systems.
I've known a handful of decent peace officers who would agree with us on the topic.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Many jurisdictions consider self defense as a crime. I was threatened with arrest by a bad cop who told me to not buy a firearm to carry in the wilderness for self defense from criminals. This happened when I stated that someone tried to murder me and my fishing buddy on the way to our fishing spot along a river. Out of the blue, for no reason known to us, he shot at us with a semiautomatic high powered caliber rifle while we were walking along railroad tracks. He was on a road above the cliff overshadowing us, while we were minding our own business.
We escaped with our lives. The bad cop threatened me and made it clear that if I had a weapon and had returned fire in self defense in that instance, he would have arrested ME.
I was outraged by the policeman who was siding with a clear case of attempted murder who wanted me to be a disarmed victim and trust the guys in blue.
Had there been a death penalty on ANY USE of a firearm in commission of a crime, then he, the prosecutor and perhaps the judge would be sentencing me to death for a clear case of self defense against a murderer.
What the NRA has been promoting for generations as "reasonable gun laws" has in reality undermined our God given rights more than the evil politicians. I've been preaching this to the NRA choir for years.
I'm not saying that is you,. I'm just stating that anything more than the Bible can be a slippery slope.

Why am I hearing dueling banjos....?

For the next fishing trip, have each wear a working go-pro cam and make sure you have cellphone service in the area!

❧

 

[Moses_Young]

Australia's experience shows that it is possible to reduce the incidence of mass shootings to near zero. Our kids go to school without fear of being shot at. Guns are here to stay, but the kind of gun readily available is limited. A licence is required and that involves a background check.

Americans seem to be terrified of the government, which God has put in place - if you believe the Bible. "In guns we trust"? it sure seems that way. If so, that trust is entirely misplaced.

This is incorrect. Australia's gun grab was based on a demonstrable false flag - the Port Arthur massacre, where a retarded man was supposed to have purchased an automatic weapon several weeks prior and somehow obtained a shot to kill ratio that only elite, expert snipers in the military are able to obtain after years of training. By disregarding witness statements that proved the retarded man was not at the scene of the mass shootings when they began, and an improperly conducted (if not corrupt) police interrogation with leading questions whereby the suspect with severe mental impairment admitted to the shootings, the Australian government managed to avert a court case where the truth of the conspiracy to frame an innocent but naive man would almost certainly have been exposed.

In recent months, fearful that the truth of the matter might go mainstream, corrupt Australian politicians and police are calling for the designation of people who question the Lame Stream Narrative of the Port Arthur massacre as "terrorists". This shows who the liars are, as the truth fears no investigation.

The recent shootings by police of peaceful Australians protesting the illegal covid lockdowns and vaccine mandates at the ANZAC memorial almost certainly would not have happened if Australians still had access to their weapons.

If anything, Australia's experience proves that mass shootings are caused by gun-grabbing Communists, and that gun-grabs by Communists should be resisted until all Communists have been brought to justice. The only alternative is tyranny.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Why am I hearing dueling banjos....?

For the next fishing trip, have each wear a working go-pro cam and make sure you have cellphone service in the area!

❧

I'd take a canoe down the big Sandy and pay good money to hear Kermit and Steve Martin play!

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I'd take a canoe down the big Sandy and pay good money to hear Kermit and Steve Martin play!

 

[Gojira]

The US has always had guns. But, it seems only in the past few decades have we seen this kind of crime (mass shootings) become a thing. Why? Since the 1960s, Christianity started to decline. Since the 1960s, social ills began to escalate. That is not a coincidence.

The most effective solution to this problem is revival, from which we would see a fear of God and a respect for other humans as created in His image. This is what the founders wanted, because the freest society is one that can police itself.

A secondary, worldly solution is the "good" citizenry being less reluctant to exercise its 2nd amendment rights.

There are legal remedies that could be enacted, but we have the wrong lawmakers and chief executive in power to get such a thing passed. That kind of remedy might need to come from the individual states.

 

[Moses_Young]

I agree with your sentiment. I just think that many prosecutors are not interested in much other than promotion of their careers. If that prosecutor could get Rittenhouse guilty on possession charge, even with a death penalty, then he would.
True, but Rittenhouse was on trial with multiple charges. It was a clear case of self defense. The prosecutor tried to deny evidence to the jury and acted in a manner that the Bible says that he should be held to suffer the punishment he tried to inflict upon Rittenhouse.

This here is exactly true. Start giving lying witnesses and corrupt prosecutors the same penalties as they were trying to inflict on the innocent, and watch the corruption evaporate. It would only need a handful of such cases, and the dynamic would completely change.

We escaped with our lives. The bad cop threatened me and made it clear that if I had a weapon and had returned fire in self defense in that instance, he would have arrested ME.
I was outraged by the policeman who was siding with a clear case of attempted murder who wanted me to be a disarmed victim and trust the guys in blue.
Had there been a death penalty on ANY USE of a firearm in commission of a crime, then he, the prosecutor and perhaps the judge would be sentencing me to death for a clear case of self defense against a murderer.

The bad cop was probably an accomplice of the criminal. In the case you describe, you may have been justified in also subsequently shooting the bad cop who tried to arrest you (as an accessory to the attempted murder).

 

[ButterflyJones]

[QUOTE"Gideon300, post: 5062253, member: 306029"]True. However, enabling people to own semi automatic weapons, that have 50 round magazines, enables murderers to kill en mass. I've never advocated eliminating guns from society. It's impossible. Eliminating guns that would be better in the hands of trained military personnel is possible. It's been done in Australia. It works in practice.

Laws do not change human nature but they can modify human behaviour. “It may be true that the law cannot change the heart, but it can restrain the heartless.” MLK, who tragically proved that point.

__________________
__________________


All the weapons in the hands of "trained military personnel " is exactly what the devil has been fighting FOR. The Bible tells us of the Philistines who disarmed God's people and put them under bondage. Must I remind us again of The past hundred years ?
Trained military personnel murdered their own people more than those of other nations.

"It works in practice" you say?

Indeed it does.
View attachment 250568 [/QUOTE]
It might help to recall, the one who despite their claim post as anti- gun, is advocating only the military have military grade firearms claims to have been former military.

Only the military armed with military grade weapons.
History proves repeatedly that this is a bad idea.

 

[gb9]

__________________
__________________


All the weapons in the hands of "trained military personnel " is exactly what the devil has been fighting FOR. The Bible tells us of the Philistines who disarmed God's people and put them under bondage. Must I remind us again of The past hundred years ?
Trained military personnel murdered their own people more than those of other nations.

"It works in practice" you say?

Indeed it does.
View attachment 250568

It might help to recall, the one who despite their claim post as anti- gun, is advocating only the military have military grade firearms claims to have been former military.

Only the military armed with military grade weapons.
History proves repeatedly that this is a bad idea.[/QUOTE]

" give up your guns, you have no chance against the gov." has become a liberal talking point.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

This here is exactly true. Start giving lying witnesses and corrupt prosecutors the same penalties as they were trying to inflict on the innocent, and watch the corruption evaporate. It would only need a handful of such cases, and the dynamic would completely change.

The bad cop was probably an accomplice of the criminal. In the case you describe, you may have been justified in also subsequently shooting the bad cop who tried to arrest you (as an accessory to the attempted murder).

There was a local cop's son who was always in trouble . He was often on that road just above us. He was known for hideous torture to animals and various other crimes. I wouldn't be surprised if it was him, but can't say because all I could see was someone holding the rifle, heard the high caliber reports and heavy gravel kick up around us.

One of our last fishing trips at our sand bar was an overnight camp. I suggested to my buddies that we all take our squirrel guns that time. We heard shooting down the tracks a quarter mile or so around dinner time. We didn't think anything of it. I just went to bed around midnight when one of the guys said there was a group of armed men on the tracks looking around at our camp. I got up and put out the fire. Then I had the guys position behind trees far apart . The moon was bright so we could see their silhouettes holding rifles easily. They were looking for the trail to our campsite. I shouted to them and got no response. They surprisingly started towards us and I demanded what their intentions were. No response. I told them to leave and they progressed closer with rifles now directed. I worked the action and told my guys to do likewise; then let the intruders know that we were armed too! No shits were fired. I commanded them to leave immediately.
Only then did they comply.

That's one of a number of interesting encounters with criminals. I wondered why criminals are so bold as to shoot at people for no apparent reason in rural areas with a lower crime rate. I believe it's because they have no fear of reprocussions or resistance.
Bad guys in groups or who are armed care less about anyone else. You and I know there is no use appealing to those thugs as if they have a "good side or conscience way down inside". The only deterrent is that they don't want to be hurt or killed as they commit murder.

We designed a combat system to deal with multiple violent armed criminals. The Lord of hosts/ armies revealed quite effective techniques and skills that must be maintained.

"Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:"
A Psalm of David 144:1