The importance of using proper grammar in a language.

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GaryA

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Have you considered the possibility that Catlynn could be a brat?
I dunno myself, but there is that slight possibility.
What is your problem, mate? That's just rude.
Sorry about that. I apologise for calling you out. Next time, could you please put a smiley face with its tongue sticky out or something to imply cheekiness? Thanks.
The above quoted exchange has prompted me to write this post and start this thread.



Some people use a lot of emoticons, and others do not.

Sometimes - not using emoticons helps the intended 'effect' to "go over that much better" - if the reader "gets it"... The risk is greater ( for misunderstanding ) - but the intended effect has the potential of being greater, also.

Some people 'aim' for maximum effect.

Some [ more conservative ( and, I don't mean 'politically' here ) ] people, like myself, tend to use more emoticons to help define their expressions ( In my case, it is largely because people often seem to think of me as always being serious - not realizing that I actually have a sense of humor and "a lighter side" ? ) - especially, if there are "fine points" in the expression that they believe are important not to miss.

Sometimes, I use several emoticons together to try to convey a 'pattern' of emotion / feeling / etc.

In case you may have noticed ( haha ), I use a lot of other methods also - parentheses, brackets, quotes, color, bold / italics / underlines, etc. etc. etc. - to try to make up for the lack / loss of body language and voice inflection - to try to convey more precisely "just exactly what it is that I am trying to say"...

Anyone who reads enough of my posts ( think 'GRA' here, the name has changed ) should begin to see a pattern develop -- because, I try to use the same methods for the same purposes consistently.

As an example - if I quote something I am saying, in italics, and in this color - it generally means that I am saying something "just as if I had spoken it" ( where it may not conform to "properly written English grammar" - and, I know the difference --- yes, a life of "southern slang" has corrupted my use of the language a bit... :eek: :eek: ). There is really nothing special about the color - it comes from my decided use of color from its position in the color palette 'matrix' that was in use before the change-over of the site environment within the last year or so... ( yes, that is how far back this goes )


O.K. - returning from my digression now...


Some people don't use that many emoticons ( or none at all ) - instead, trusting in the language of the written word to convey the proper meaning -- which brings me to the whole point and focus of this thread...



This is what used-to-be - and is really what should be -- but, has been "dealt a severe blow" - because of the modern destruction of the structure of language ( non-use of proper grammar ) - by the "dumbing down" of society over the decades.

"It seems that - not many people ( relatively speaking - and - in the U.S.A, at least ) know how to speak or write with good grammar any more these days..." :(


Satan is responsible for this - with purpose in mind...


While it is true that "not being able to see the 'subtle clues' of body language" on the internet is against us --- think about this for just a moment:

When you read a well-written novel, does the lack of body language really take anything away from what the author is trying to convey? Of course not! ( IF you are well-trained in the grammar and usage of words of the language the book is written in. ) The whole of being a good author is being able - through only the written word - to convey an appreciable expression of thought that arouses a significant amount of emotion or understanding in another person ( the reader ).

An enormous amount of thought / feeling / etc. may be conveyed very accurately through the written word - IF - people learn it well and utilize it in their speaking and writing.

It seems that not many people are willing to put the effort into their speech / writing any more.

Keep in mind that the reader needs to be just as well-versed in the language as the writer. Otherwise, the reader may "miss" the more intricate details of what the writer is trying to convey. ( More on this later... )

The problem is that - without even realizing it - people have been "left out in the cold" - and "dumbed-down" - by the changes that Satan has managed to make in modern society. He has very successfully done this through things like 'ebonics' and 'leet speak' ( which "utterly destroy" the language ), as well as the general apathy that has transpired in the classroom for teaching good grammar.

To a great extent, the younger generations - without having much choice in the matter - and "not knowing any better" - have been "dumbed-down", because of the apathy of teachers and parents ( mostly parents, who were themselves "dumbed-down" ). They have been "robbed" of some of the necessary "vital components" for speaking the very language they were taught as a primary language.

The math equivalent of this is --- not being able to handle inexact change given to them at the drive-in window of the fast-food restaurant where they work...

How sad... :(



This is not intended to insult anyone. The result of Satan's efforts in this matter are truly tragic!



I raise the issue in order to get others to think about the reality --- and, to consider and discuss some possible solutions...



Something to think about...

( More later... )

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CatHerder

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Originally Posted by MidniteWelder

Have you considered the possibility that Catlynn could be a brat?
I dunno myself, but there is that slight possibility.



Originally Posted by Tintin

What is your problem, mate? That's just rude.



Originally Posted by Tintin

Sorry about that. I apologise for calling you out. Next time, could you please put a smiley face with its tongue sticky out or something to imply cheekiness? Thanks.





The above quoted exchange has prompted me to write this post and start this thread.

Another factor could be that the term "brat" may be harsher when used in Australia than in the U.S. - I don't know if that is true or not, but the potential for that kind of misunderstanding exists. We should also keep in mind that this is an international forum and different words have different connotations, or even meanings. For instance, Randy is a man's name in the U.S.. Across the pond, it means "in a state of horniness." And here, shag is a type of carpet or a swing dance move, and Shaggy is just a Scooby-Doo character. Over there, shag means...well...you know...

Some people use a lot of emoticons, and others do not...

I'm one of those that do not use them very often. I don't like them when I am reading, they slow me down; they are like speed bumps. As a result, I tend not to use them in my writing. I hope I'm clear enough when I post.

:)
I agree with your thoughts on the "dummying down" of our culture. But is that the only thing that's going on here? We have people from different educational levels, different generations, different cultures, people whose first language is English, people for whom English is an additional language, all of whom have varying proficiencies in the language. And these things aren't always a good indicator of one's proficiency; one of the most intelligent and best writers on this forum is a high school dropout.
Something to think about...

( More later... )
I hope so. Good thread.
 
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GaryA

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I agree with your thoughts on the "dummying down" of our culture. But is that the only thing that's going on here? We have people from different educational levels, different generations, different cultures, people whose first language is English, people for whom English is an additional language, all of whom have varying proficiencies in the language. And these things aren't always a good indicator of one's proficiency; one of the most intelligent and best writers on this forum is a high school dropout.
I suppose the first thing I should say at this point is that this thread is in no way intended to reflect upon MidniteWelder or Tintin -- their conversation was simply a catalyst that started a chain-reaction thought process - the end result of which prompted me to start the thread.

The crux of this thread might be worded this way:

"Considering all that is against us while attempting to successfully and efficiently communicate with others in this environment, how vitally important is it that we use good grammar in our writing?"

because:

"When the language is slurred, the meaning is lost..."


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GaryA

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And the flip-side issue is -- having a good understanding of the 'grammar of the language'...

( on the "receiving" end )

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GaryA

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Which brings me to a "perfect example" of just how important the 'grammar of the language' really is...

The more you understand the 'grammar of the language' that your Bible is written in, the better understanding you may obtain of what a given passage of scripture is actually saying. The less you understand about the rules of the language, the more detail is going to be lost from the full meaning of the passage.

This is especially important when reading the KJV.

The better you know the rules of the language, the better you will be able to keep thought-process and word-reference properly ordered.

"Having a good understanding of the 'grammar of the language' is really and truly that important."

:)