Anti-bible clingers want to be Bible clingers. Hope for the unsaved loved 1.

[1still_waters]

I believe those who show the most contempt and spite for Christianity, may deep down, want to be Christians.

While watching Morning Joe yesterday, I observed their interview with Franklin Graham. They kept pestering him, asking him if he thought Obama and Romney are Christians. He basically said he didn't think they are.

There are people on that show who usually show contempt for the 'Bible clingers'. I would never expect them to want anyone they like, to be associated with the Bible clingers they claim to despise.

Oddly enough, the anti-bible clingers were offended when Graham suggested Obama wasn't a Bible clinger.
Now if you're anti-bible clinger, shouldn't you be pleased the Bible clingers don't consider your man as part of their group?


I noticed the disconnect in the reasoning of the anti-bible clingers. I asked, why is that?

My answer?

Deep down, they want to be Bible clingers too.

 

[1still_waters]

The exclusivity of Christ, actually seems to arouse a sense of jealousy in the unsaved. This is why we can't shrink back from proclaiming the exclusivity of the Gospel. If everyone is in, there is no desire for them to come to Jesus.

 

[Jullianna]

I heard a clip from the program you’re talking about. I wish I’d heard the whole thing. Now I’ll definitely go searching for it. J

I’m kinda wondering whether the recent conflict re: birth control/insurance coverage/faith-based entities hasn’t increased sensitivity in this area a bit, which, in my mind is exactly what campaign strategists have set out to do. The timing is too perfect for me to accept otherwise. J When I step back and look at it, I see it as a political maneuver to separate even christian women from candidates they might otherwise support. We’ll see how it all plays out soon, huh?

I actually smiled when I heard Franklin say this though. I haven't always agreed with everything Franklin has to say, but I respect him oodles. And his dad is dabomb in my book! I will miss him incredibly when he goes to be with the Lord.

 

[1still_waters]

I heard a clip from the program you’re talking about. I wish I’d heard the whole thing. Now I’ll definitely go searching for it. J

I’m kinda wondering whether the recent conflict re: birth control/insurance coverage/faith-based entities hasn’t increased sensitivity in this area a bit, which, in my mind is exactly what campaign strategists have set out to do. The timing is too perfect for me to accept otherwise. J When I step back and look at it, I see it as a political maneuver to separate even christian women from candidates they might otherwise support. We’ll see how it all plays out soon, huh?

I actually smiled when I heard Franklin say this though. I haven't always agreed with everything Franklin has to say, but I respect him oodles. And his dad is dabomb in my book! I will miss him incredibly when he goes to be with the Lord.

Yeah isn't it odd how the birth control thing got spun?

No one was saying women couldn't go buy birth control. They're just saying don't make me have to pay for it through my tithes/offerings/contributions i give to the religious organization I attend/support.

 

[Jullianna]

"SPIN"...exactly. It's been spun to make it appear to be solely a women's issue. It isn't. There are religious freedoms on the line as well. Some will be wise enough to recognize that I hope.

I really think this was intentional and timed perfectly...there are a lot of christian women who vote. I'll never believe that the first proposal was a mistake or not well thought out. It was written to provoke the exact response it received. Psyops and politics at its best.

Blurred lines can be difficult to cross.

 

[1still_waters]

"SPIN"...exactly. It's been spun to make it appear to be solely a women's issue. It isn't. There are religious freedoms on the line as well. Some will be wise enough to recognize that I hope.

I really think this was intentional and timed perfectly...there are a lot of christian women who vote. I'll never believe that the first proposal was a mistake or not well thought out. It was written to provoke the exact response it received. Psyops and politics at its best.

Blurred lines can be difficult to cross.

Let's hope reason and truth overrides emotion. So ironic that Santorum is derided for his views on birth control, but outright advocacy for murder of the helpless unborn doesn't cause the left to even twitch.

 

[djness]

I believe those who show the most contempt and spite for Christianity, may deep down, want to be Christians.

While watching Morning Joe yesterday, I observed their interview with Franklin Graham. They kept pestering him, asking him if he thought Obama and Romney are Christians. He basically said he didn't think they are.

There are people on that show who usually show contempt for the 'Bible clingers'. I would never expect them to want anyone they like, to be associated with the Bible clingers they claim to despise.

Oddly enough, the anti-bible clingers were offended when Graham suggested Obama wasn't a Bible clinger.
Now if you're anti-bible clinger, shouldn't you be pleased the Bible clingers don't consider your man as part of their group?


I noticed the disconnect in the reasoning of the anti-bible clingers. I asked, why is that?

My answer?

Deep down, they want to be Bible clingers too.

I tried this argument on an athiest who used to come to CC. That the reason they fight so hard against it is because deep down they want to be part of it. I was told that my argument was fallacious.

Which I can kind of understand. It would be like saying the ones who fought hardest to keep slavery were the ones who secretly wanted it abolished.

Some people just hate God.

 

[1still_waters]

Let's hope reason and truth overrides emotion. So ironic that Santorum is derided for his views on birth control, but outright advocacy for murder of the helpless unborn doesn't cause the left to even twitch.

I need to temper my tone some. If there is anyone reading this who has had an abortion, please know Jesus loves you and has/will offer you his love and forgiveness.

My comments are more aimed at folks who just continually push this pro-choice view with an ever disregard for human life

 

[zeroturbulence]

I tried this argument on an athiest who used to come to CC. That the reason they fight so hard against it is because deep down they want to be part of it. I was told that my argument was fallacious.

Which I can kind of understand. It would be like saying the ones who fought hardest to keep slavery were the ones who secretly wanted it abolished.

Some people just hate God.

Yea, what he said.

By the same token atheists can say that bible-huggers secretly want to be atheists deep down inside. And we know that's not the case (or is it?).

 

[1still_waters]

Yea, what he said.

By the same token atheists can say that bible-huggers secretly want to be atheists deep down inside. And we know that's not the case (or is it?).

Yeah if Christianity/salvation were just a dry, cold logical argument, you'd have a point.

But our faith isn't just an item in an intellectual back and forth.

It IS the way of life.

So to put our faith on the same level as slavery/atheism and the like, really doesn't work.

Our faith offers something that the human heart does want.

We really need to be careful of arguments that go along the lines offered above.

I get the reasoning, but we are dealing with something that's more than some cold item that we can kick back and forth in a logical syllogism.

 

[zeroturbulence]

Yeah if Christianity/salvation were just a dry, cold logical argument, you'd have a point.

But our faith isn't just an item in an intellectual back and forth.

It IS the way of life.

So to put our faith on the same level as slavery/atheism and the like, really doesn't work.

Our faith offers something that the human heart does want.

We really need to be careful of arguments that go along the lines offered above.

I get the reasoning, but we are dealing with something that's more than some cold item that we can kick back and forth in a logical syllogism.

I agree that it has to do with the heart, but thats not how an atheist would see it. To an atheist, a heart is just a blob of muscle that runs on electric currents in the body. You're underestimating the other side's conviction to their beliefs. An atheist would say there's no such thing as a basic human yearning to feel love, acceptance, etc.. and that people who feel that way are just good at deceiving themselves.

They will say that christians cling to their bibles because they want to feel that something greater than them is in control and that by following that greater being it makes them feel like they have some supernatural favor because they can't handle the 'truth', which is that they are on their own and there's no invisible friend helping them.

(I'm a christian by the way )

 

[1still_waters]

I agree that it has to do with the heart, but thats not how an atheist would see it. To an atheist, a heart is just a blob of muscle that runs on electric currents in the body. You're underestimating the other side's conviction to their beliefs. An atheist would say there's no such thing as a basic human yearning to feel love, acceptance, etc.. and that people who feel that way are just good at deceiving themselves.

They will say that christians cling to their bibles because they want to feel that something greater than them is in control and that by following that greater being it makes them feel like they have some supernatural favor because they can't handle the 'truth', which is that they are on their own and there's no invisible friend helping them.

(I'm a christian by the way )

The gospel isn't cold and undesirable just because that's the way an atheist may see it.

That's the point, by arguing along the lines you argue, you turn the gospel in to this cold logical football we punt around.

Even though the atheist sees it as this dead thing, the gospel has an intrinsic power in it that makes it desirable regardless of how the atheist says he sees it.

 

[Jullianna]

There are things in life that are beyond all comparison and so very difficult to explain. Understanding who we are in Christ and how we know He is and how we know Him personally definitely qualifies. Sometimes I feel as though trying to help an atheist understand it is like trying to explain to a man what it feels like to have a baby. It's not something one understands until it happens to them, you know? And what makes it so very frustrating so often is that I've met some atheists with very sensitive hearts who are desperately searching for perfect love..and it's right there in front of them...and they can't see it. I've met some on CC who I love so much and long to see them find Him. I have to believe it will happen.

 

[zeroturbulence]

There are things in life that are beyond all comparison and so very difficult to explain. Understanding who we are in Christ and how we know He is and how we know Him personally definitely qualifies. Sometimes I feel as though trying to help an atheist understand it is like trying to explain to a man what it feels like to have a baby. It's not something one understands until it happens to them, you know? And what makes it so very frustrating so often is that I've met some atheists with very sensitive hearts who are desperately searching for perfect love..and it's right there in front of them...and they can't see it. I've met some on CC who I love so much and long to see them find Him. I have to believe it will happen.

Or trying to explain to a woman what its like to be kicked where it hurts.

 

[kayem77]

I believe those who show the most contempt and spite for Christianity, may deep down, want to be Christians.

While watching Morning Joe yesterday, I observed their interview with Franklin Graham. They kept pestering him, asking him if he thought Obama and Romney are Christians. He basically said he didn't think they are.

There are people on that show who usually show contempt for the 'Bible clingers'. I would never expect them to want anyone they like, to be associated with the Bible clingers they claim to despise.

Oddly enough, the anti-bible clingers were offended when Graham suggested Obama wasn't a Bible clinger.
Now if you're anti-bible clinger, shouldn't you be pleased the Bible clingers don't consider your man as part of their group?


I noticed the disconnect in the reasoning of the anti-bible clingers. I asked, why is that?

My answer?

Deep down, they want to be Bible clingers too.

I watched the video on youtube and it annoyed me the way those people were just trying to find something to criticize Graham. I mean... what's their point? they don't really care about christians being protected and defended, it made my blood boil the way the man at the end talks about persecuted christians. Graham was talking about how Obama does nothing for christians being murdered, raped and abused in other countries and ALL the reporter could say was ''Oh you must spend an awful big part of your day checking out people's deaths on faith''...wow.

 

[GreenNnice]

The exclusivity of Christ, actually seems to arouse a sense of jealousy in the unsaved. This is why we can't shrink back from proclaiming the exclusivity of the Gospel. If everyone is in, there is no desire for them to come to Jesus.

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This seems like a profound statement but my green brains have yet to assimilate its profoundness, stillwatering

There is something profound in the exclusive 'saved' world of Christ for christians, hence, the word, 'exclusivity,' I, again am not exactly with surety of what your saying of bible-clingers but the one lost sheep saved parable comes to mind, for some reason.

 

[GreenNnice]

I tried this argument on an athiest who used to come to CC. That the reason they fight so hard against it is because deep down they want to be part of it. I was told that my argument was fallacious.

Which I can kind of understand. It would be like saying the ones who fought hardest to keep slavery were the ones who secretly wanted it abolished.

Some people just hate God.

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This then speaks of the great work still out there in the 'fields.' It will take an extraordinary amount of work to help those lost (in love with another religion) or those stubborn (no religion belief) , and, yes, by what is said by you above, Deej, and, you too stillwatering, in your OP, there is hope in fact that those lost in the field or those just refusing to come out of the field still can, because someone lost , in a literal sense can be roundup, and, someone stubborn to leave someplace can be persuaded and , of course, getting these people to Jesus (saved) will only come from the power of the Holy Spirit , as I believe, since Christ gave us that 'helper,' whose ultimate help is helping others get saved, the reason Jesus came to Earth.


Those lost and stubborn, through God in you (Holy Spirit) , can be found and fixed forevermore