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Lanolin

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I didn't say that there was any causation...only correlation. Nobody has proven anything either way of causing or not causing .
exactly it doesnt mean anything

There is more evidence of toxic chemicals and heavy metals causing neurodeficits.
 

Lanolin

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vaccines prevent serious illness there is plenty of evidence for that
measles, smallpox, etc
 

Kojikun

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I am autistic (formerly known as Asperger's, now mild on the Autism spectrum) As a result I am slow and I get overwhelmed easily. I am also very clumsy and have severe OCD and anxiety. Tbh all my issues make my testimony that much better. The more wrong with me the more God can and has fixed. I am quite content with being autistic and I can't imagine not being. :)
 

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My oldest son has autism. The doctors said he would not be able to talk and he talks more than I do lol. One thing that stands out is they are so innocent and honest. I would say he is on the low to mid of the spectrum. There are quite a few things he can do on his own, and could be left alone for hours and be ok, but to be fully on his own he won't be able to do that.
 

BrotherMike

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I was diagnosed with expression language disorder when I was in pre school. I'm not totally sure if this is still true to this day. I am generally quiet mostly because I'm usually processing and listening more than speaking. There are times when I can talk quite a bit... all depends on my comfort level of the person I'm with and topic.
 

Lanolin

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what do you do to reach out to your son Brother Mike?

And...is he kinda obssessed with birthdays?
 

BrotherMike

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what do you do to reach out to your son Brother Mike?

And...is he kinda obssessed with birthdays?
As of now since he is out of state… I call and text him and sometimes video chat. When we lived closer I would ask what he would like to do and it’s usually video games lol. I’ve taken him out to events too and he usually doesn’t get too stimulated, however there is a chance he does.

I don’t think he gets obsessed with anything. He usually acts innocently surprised with things. I take that back he has gotten obsessed with wanting a girlfriend (even though he probably doesn’t know what to do with one lol). He just sees other couples and wants that too.
 

Lanolin

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Is the video game thing something he does because he can do it by himself and control his enviroment by pushing buttons? Im not really sure why some get so attached to video games.

I would have thought theyd be over-stimulating with all the flashing lights and noise etc. what kind of video games is it like minecraft, or roblox or is it those shoot em up type ones.
 

BrotherMike

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Is the video game thing something he does because he can do it by himself and control his enviroment by pushing buttons? Im not really sure why some get so attached to video games.

I would have thought theyd be over-stimulating with all the flashing lights and noise etc. what kind of video games is it like minecraft, or roblox or is it those shoot em up type ones.
He likes playing super hero games like Batman and Spiderman. He will also play Nintendo games as well. He doesn't get over stimulated with them. I don't think he's addicted, but he enjoys playing during his down time.
 

Lanolin

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He likes playing super hero games like Batman and Spiderman. He will also play Nintendo games as well. He doesn't get over stimulated with them. I don't think he's addicted, but he enjoys playing during his down time.
do you play them with him as well?
 

Lanolin

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I watch them mostly... I play a couple games with them if I have time.
i think its imortant to have that social interaction by playing the video games together, learn to share and take turns etc. And not play for hours and hours like i heard some do..?!

although I think I be bored out of my tree if I had to watch someone else play a video game and they never let me have a go.
 

Gideon300

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Does anyone suffer from this OR friends with someone who has this?

What are the difficulties and do you try and compensate? What special needs do you need to be aware of?

I find the people I know with autism can be wonderful but it can also be frustrating because they can be extremely focused singleminded on something that nothing else can deter them from their pet topic...but maybe that is also part of being a genius?!

From what I know its a sensory issue, like people with autism get so over stimulated with things they need to stop and focus on ONE thing so as not to be overwhelmed. It must be hard to go through life with no filter though. But I can kind of understand that they need to do that to protect themselves.
My grandchildren were diagnosed autistic. My daughter created a strict timetable for them both. She created cards, inserted into a kind of planner. The boys would take a card and (when old enough) read the instructions. Or my daughter would read it out. It helped enormously, perhaps because the instruction was not directly from the parent. Now they are older, (12 and 10) its less of an issue.

I believe that parents today give kids way too many options, especially when they are younger. Kids need boundaries in order to be secure. The word "no" needs to be restored to parental vocabularies.
 

Lanolin

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My grandchildren were diagnosed autistic. My daughter created a strict timetable for them both. She created cards, inserted into a kind of planner. The boys would take a card and (when old enough) read the instructions. Or my daughter would read it out. It helped enormously, perhaps because the instruction was not directly from the parent. Now they are older, (12 and 10) its less of an issue.

I believe that parents today give kids way too many options, especially when they are younger. Kids need boundaries in order to be secure. The word "no" needs to be restored to parental vocabularies.
I always thought clear written instructions helped because even non-autistic people dont have perfect memories
unless you get into a regular routine, having too many options is not helping children get used to regular rhythms of everyday life of everything is unclear and uncertain and you are left at sea
 

Lanolin

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Now reading 'Unwritten Rules of social relationships' by Temple Grandin & Sean Barron

She writes that there are ten rules
So when I get up to that part of the book I'll share what they are

Could they possibly be the same as the ten commandments? :unsure:
 

Lanolin

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ok before I head off and go about my day

the unwritten ten rules those with ASD need to learn (now written down!)

#1 Rules are not absolute. They are situation-based and people-based

#2 Not everything is equally important in the grand scheme of things

#3 Everyone in the world makes mistakes. It doesnt have to ruin your day

#4 Honesty is different from diplomacy

#5 Being polite is appropriate in any situation

#6 Not everyone who is nice to me is my friend

#7 People act differently in public than they do in private

#8 Know when you are turning people off

#9 'fitting in' is often tied to looking and sounding like you fit in

#10 People are responsible for their own behaviours
 

Gideon300

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I was diagnosed with expression language disorder when I was in pre school. I'm not totally sure if this is still true to this day. I am generally quiet mostly because I'm usually processing and listening more than speaking. There are times when I can talk quite a bit... all depends on my comfort level of the person I'm with and topic.
Every single human being has a disorder. It's called the sinful human nature.

When I look at my childhood (which is not often), I appear to be a total, anti social, introvert. Some of it was environmental. By the time I was 16, in ten years I had lived in 14 places and I was in my fourth country.

I read a book by Tim LaHaye about the four temperaments. I identified myself as melancholic. It's not a disorder, it's my nature. For example, the book says to identify your weaknesses and strengths. It was easy for me. I had no strengths as far as was concerned.

You sound very much like me. God has drawn me out of my shell over the decades. I was able to speak at a secular conference in front of around 300 people. The Lord had set me free from self consciousness to that degree.

Somehow every problem that a person suffers has become a disorder. Everyone gets a label. This is handy for psychologists as they can charge 60 bucks an hour to try and fix the "disorder."

Jesus came to fix "disorders". He does it for free because He loves us! I'm a different person now. That's not my evaluation, but friends who have known me for 30 years or so.
 

Lanolin

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Not sure why being talkative and chatty is valued over being quiet or listening. I always got mixed messages over that growing up, that being quiet was good and chatty was bad, and then later as an adult got told off that I was TOO quiet and should speak up!

But then I suppose those rules are situational however it didnt occur to some people that its whoever makes the rules is the one in control rather than the one under the rules who might not even know about the rules or why they exist.

its also funny how, in some countries being a social extrovert is highly valued, but being an introvert is not. But, introverts need the quiet to concentrate on creating things that benefit everyone, so why that isnt valued for what it is I dont know. There was a theory I read that in places like the US everyone had to be an extrovert salesman to be 'successful' otherwise you could never make any money, so people took courses on it cos they werent naturally into blowing their own trumpets.
 

Lanolin

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the more I read the more I wonder if my dad has aspergers... although on the DSM-IV it was removed and replaced with another label as being 'on the spectrum'

for example going on and on about a topic only he is interested in
thinking world revolves around him and not really being able to see from another pov

But I just thought it was a dad thing or a male thing..
wikipedia claims children who dont read fiction and only non fiction might be autistic. ?

But I dont think so...most children learn to read with fiction (stories) first
children only read non-fiction if they are interested in the topic
so not sure where they get that from

although its true I never see dad reading a novel, and its usually something with lots of numbers and charts but then neither does mum who reads newspapers and cookbooks.

the thing about not caring about appearances is just cos some arent fashionable dressers and have no clue how to style its something you can learn its not innate..thats not really an autistic trait I would think. Sometimes its just due to the clothing choices available in the shops or your sewing ability
 

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My son has aspergers . He is a very sweet guy and hard worker. Struggles with having close friends, because of being focused most times as to what interest him. But has gotten better thru the years with alot of the challenges. But I prayed for him since the day he was born. I am not one who accepts the negative aspects that many try and push and say this is how they are or how it is.
I believe this is why he is where he is today. He holds down a job where he makes very good money, does not have to be babysitted to do his job. He can live on his own but chooses not too. Mainly because he has more money staying at home. He is very loving and gives me and others hugs. Years ago he would not. Never put a limit on either of my son's on what they can do.