Can we "make" God bless us by using obedience?

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jamie26301

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http://www.kevinathompson.com/dangerous-assumption-gods-will/

In light of discussions I've had recently, I fed led to open a thread concerning this topic.

There seems to be the common teaching and understanding that if we obey God, that He will bless us as WE want Him too, and that our lives will be relatively trouble free. Christian leaders often use the sentiment to manipulate people into behaving a certain way, whether it be giving money, not getting romantically involved before marriage because that makes the marriage better and more pleasurable somehow, or that NEVER missing church to get blessings, etc. Christian leaders often use the God-blesses-the-obedient as justification for whatever lifestyle they want their congregation to lead. Be it taking a fast, or not touching alcohol or tobacco, or not going to the movies or participating in some other "worldly" thing.

This is the Prosperity Gospel, and it has made many preachers very rich, because they cherry-pick Scriptures and certain layman swallow it hook, line, and sinker, because they don't critically read Scripture for themselves, or are some desperate for a change in their life that they ignore things that are in there.

I just wanted your thoughts on this article.


An apprehensive aside:
I know what I am inviting with this thread in light of what I have posted on another thread. I am not going to repeat everything. If you're really interested, don't take other CCers word for what I believe, go directly to the source (the thread) and read it for yourself. That's the problem with a lot of people when they research things. Someone will read a Christian's regurgitation of what atheists believe. Sorry, but that text has been filtered through the Christian's biases, so the only way to have a full grasp of what an atheist believes is to read a book by an atheist. Much in the same way, if anyone repeats what I've said on other threads, what I really think is being filtered through their biases. That's the problem with second-hand sources. I only say this because I KNOW that SOMEONE is going to be like "Well, on another thread she said that..." in effort to discount my whole argument. Again, what to know what I really believe? Read MY posts, not posts about me. God bless.
 

jamie26301

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Sorry that there was no hyperlink. You'll have to copy and paste it.
 
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ww_21

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[h=3]Jeremiah 29:11-13 [/h]For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

I believe nothing happens for us unless it's the WILL of God.
 

CatHerder

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http://www.kevinathompson.com/dangerous-assumption-gods-will/

In light of discussions I've had recently, I fed led to open a thread concerning this topic.

There seems to be the common teaching and understanding that if we obey God, that He will bless us as WE want Him too, and that our lives will be relatively trouble free. Christian leaders often use the sentiment to manipulate people into behaving a certain way, whether it be giving money, not getting romantically involved before marriage because that makes the marriage better and more pleasurable somehow, or that NEVER missing church to get blessings, etc. Christian leaders often use the God-blesses-the-obedient as justification for whatever lifestyle they want their congregation to lead. Be it taking a fast, or not touching alcohol or tobacco, or not going to the movies or participating in some other "worldly" thing.

This is the Prosperity Gospel, and it has made many preachers very rich, because they cherry-pick Scriptures and certain layman swallow it hook, line, and sinker, because they don't critically read Scripture for themselves, or are some desperate for a change in their life that they ignore things that are in there.

I just wanted your thoughts on this article.


An apprehensive aside:
I know what I am inviting with this thread in light of what I have posted on another thread. I am not going to repeat everything. If you're really interested, don't take other CCers word for what I believe, go directly to the source (the thread) and read it for yourself. That's the problem with a lot of people when they research things. Someone will read a Christian's regurgitation of what atheists believe. Sorry, but that text has been filtered through the Christian's biases, so the only way to have a full grasp of what an atheist believes is to read a book by an atheist. Much in the same way, if anyone repeats what I've said on other threads, what I really think is being filtered through their biases. That's the problem with second-hand sources. I only say this because I KNOW that SOMEONE is going to be like "Well, on another thread she said that..." in effort to discount my whole argument. Again, what to know what I really believe? Read MY posts, not posts about me. God bless.
The blog entry succinctly points out that bad things happen even when following God and seeking His will and wise council. Your question is good too, and tackles a related thought: shouldn't God bless me for following Him?

Romans 2:4 comes to mind here:
Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? (ESV)

I see this as a "one way" promise - by that I mean that God's kindness leads us to repentance, and going further, continued repentance (or obedience), which I see as a by-product of God's blessings. It's about motives; "I love Him because He first loved me."

I don't see this going the other way, where I follow God's rules and expect God to do "X, Y, and Z" for me. That's treating God as a genie at best...and at the worst, I'll go so far as to say that manipulating spiritual forces by human works sounds like witchcraft.

Our motive for being obedient shouldn't be about getting a blessing, although I believe God DOES bless our obedience. It may just be in a different way than what we expect. Though many of us choose to be obedient, we may still lose our health, our jobs, we may get cancer and die, we may get divorced or lose a spouse, or a child, we may fail at a godly pursuit, we may lose our house, our finances....I could go on and on.

I believe wholeheartedly that the early missionaries to Africa that traveled there with their own caskets because they were not expected to survive the experience (a correct assumption in many cases) were blessed. This is not the type of "blessing" that many Christians would want...and I know that I would have to pray for courage (alot!!!) if I were ever called to such a thing.

To the OP - (disclaimer time) - I realize that you only posed the question. I am not assuming that you think that way. And I know nothing of your posting history to assume one way or the other. - - cheers!
 

cinder

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Wow that's a loaded question and several walls of text couldn't do all the subtleties justice, but to throw some more food for thought in there.

1) What about corporate vs. individual promises? The OT law is pretty clear that blessings follow obedience and curses follow disobedience but these were part of a covenant with a nation and righteous individuals living during times of punishment suffered when the nation was punished regardless of their personal obedience.

2) What constitutes the blessing of God? We overlook verses like James 2:5 which say God has chosen those who are poor in this world to be rich in faith. And while many of us prefer the ease and will say along with Tevya "If riches are a curse then may God smite me with it", if we really want to grow in faith and dependence on God a little bit more trouble and need may be just what we need.

3) If you cannot serve both God and money then who are you serving? Certainly obeying God only for material blessing is tantamount to trying to serve both masters.

Please note that none of this is a condemnation of the rich. If God has made you rich, then it is a matter of using your resources wisely and in a godly manner.
 
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jeremyPJ

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I believe he knows when we love and appreciate him, and live His word through our actions and lives.