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meggars

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kessy001 said:
Is it right for a Christian to pretend to be married to someone in other to get a legal stay of a foreign country?
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I don't know about where you're from but here it is illegal to marry someone specficially/only for the purpose of getting them into the country. It's called marriage fraud when you marry someone in order to circumvent the immigration laws of the country. The penalty is up to $100,000 fine and/or 5 years in prison
 
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kessy001

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Stuey said:
I agree, but lets face it - things do not always work this way... it is not always possible to do things in the correct way. Doing them in the correct way may result in death for some.


But as children of God, aint we expected to always do the correct thing? or how are we suppose to shine as light when we ourselves can't do it right.

i think it is always possible to do things the correct way, if we choose to. it could be very difficult but its also very possible.
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Stuey

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kessy001 said:
Stuey said:
I agree, but lets face it - things do not always work this way... it is not always possible to do things in the correct way. Doing them in the correct way may result in death for some.


But as children of God, aint we expected to always do the correct thing? or how are we suppose to shine as light when we ourselves can't do it right.

i think it is always possible to do things the correct way, if we choose to. it could be very difficult but its also very possible.
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To give you a scenario.

You are hiding an inncocent man in your house, someone knocks on the door, looking angry with a shotgun and asks whether said person is there.

Do you,

A. tell the truth - in which case he would search the house, most likely find the man and kill him?

or

B. lie - tell him you saw him running down the street 5 minute ago, in which case the innocent man would live?

This is a silly example I know. Just trying to point out some of the difficulties with ethics. I can see a way for both actions to be justified and I do wonder if it comes down to motives. I've also heard stories of people saying yes he is here, getting searched and God hiding the person, not sure if they are true or not, just saying pointing out both views I guess.

Personally in this situation I think I would lie, but that's me.
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meggars

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Stuey said:
kessy001 said:
To give you a scenario.

You are hiding an inncocent man in your house, someone knocks on the door, looking angry with a shotgun and asks whether said person is there.

Do you,

A. tell the truth - in which case he would search the house, most likely find the man and kill him?

or

B. lie - tell him you saw him running down the street 5 minute ago, in which case the innocent man would live?

This is a silly example I know. Just trying to point out some of the difficulties with ethics. I can see a way for both actions to be justified and I do wonder if it comes down to motives. I've also heard stories of people saying yes he is here, getting searched and God hiding the person, not sure if they are true or not, just saying pointing out both views I guess.

Personally in this situation I think I would lie, but that's me.
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I would probably lie in THIS case but then the situation is a little bit more dire isn't it. When marrying someone to get them in the country in order to save them from persecution its not an instantaneous "lie or die" scenario. Obviously the process would take much longer than the situation you are describing here and given that more time would have to be taken in the marital "life saving" situation then i guess that time could also be used to take the proper steps to avoid persecution. If you want to come to canada to avoid persecution you don't have to marry someone...you have to claim refugee status.
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kessy001

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Stuey said:
kessy001 said:
To give you a scenario.

You are hiding an inncocent man in your house, someone knocks on the door, looking angry with a shotgun and asks whether said person is there.

Do you,

A. tell the truth - in which case he would search the house, most likely find the man and kill him?

or

B. lie - tell him you saw him running down the street 5 minute ago, in which case the innocent man would live?

This is a silly example I know. Just trying to point out some of the difficulties with ethics. I can see a way for both actions to be justified and I do wonder if it comes down to motives. I've also heard stories of people saying yes he is here, getting searched and God hiding the person, not sure if they are true or not, just saying pointing out both views I guess.

Personally in this situation I think I would lie, but that's me.
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i get your point stuey, but in this case there are other possible options than a fake marriage, or don't you think so?
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Stuey

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Other options? Maybe. Depends on the situation. Too many variables for this hypothetical situation. :D

Explore other options first tho - I agree.

meggars said:
Stuey said:
I would probably lie in THIS case but then the situation is a little bit more dire isn't it. When marrying someone to get them in the country in order to save them from persecution its not an instantaneous "lie or die" scenario. Obviously the process would take much longer than the situation you are describing here and given that more time would have to be taken in the marital "life saving" situation then i guess that time could also be used to take the proper steps to avoid persecution. If you want to come to canada to avoid persecution you don't have to marry someone...you have to claim refugee status.
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I really feel quite strongly about this.

If you are being persecuted - you may not Have the opportunity to claim refugee status in a place that will rescue you. Especially in wartorn areas. For example... The people in Syria at the moment - when the current Government collapses it is quite likely that the Christians there along with other minority groups will be heavily persecuted... If they apply somewhere for refugee status the process may be too slow to save them, or may not even be available.

It really frustrates me - is applying for refugee status the correct thing to do - yes, it is, but it isn't always practical and in addition to this.

The process for taking in refugees isn't always brilliant and can take a long time! I've heard stories about people who have been in these sort of camps for years and years and years, this really isn't acceptable and I wouldn't say that these camps are the safest places, if you can even get to one.

I feel like in the west sometimes we expect things to be very orderly, processed calm and safe, as long as things are done in the proper way. This really just isn't the case, the very fact that there are wars in these countries demonstrates how broken the societies these people come from can be. And the western process for accepting refugees isn't always good enough!
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meggars

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Stuey said:
The process for taking in refugees isn't always brilliant and can take a long time! I've heard stories about people who have been in these sort of camps for years and years and years, this really isn't acceptable and I wouldn't say that these camps are the safest places, if you can even get to one.
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sorry, what camps? we don't have refugee camps in Canada. you simply come here and make your claim. and if it's not feasible for the person to come here without assistance, ie they don't have enough money to do so....feel free to give it to them.....in fact, let's say the refugee claim doesn't work for them....instead why don't you sponsor them as you might any other immigrant....this is an entirely feasible option...one which means you can help them with everything you thought marriage was going to take care of....without having to actually marry them.
 
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Stuey

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meggars said:
sorry, what camps? we don't have refugee camps in Canada. you simply come here and make your claim. and if it's not feasible for the person to come here without assistance, ie they don't have enough money to do so....feel free to give it to them.....in fact, let's say the refugee claim doesn't work for them....instead why don't you sponsor them as you might any other immigrant....this is an entirely feasible option...one which means you can help them with everything you thought marriage was going to take care of....without having to actually marry them.
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Ahhh... things must be different in Canada to Australia. Sorry I didn't know this. Oh I meant camps overseas. We don't really have them in Australia.

Our refugee system is pretty messed up here, very politicised at the moment...

Quite frankly its disgusting.
 
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meggars

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Stuey said:
Ahhh... things must be different in Canada to Australia. Sorry I didn't know this. Oh I meant camps overseas. We don't really have them in Australia.

Our refugee system is pretty messed up here, very politicised at the moment...

Quite frankly its disgusting.
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well that's just unfortunate.....yeah we'll take just about anybody....lol
 
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isaria

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Jullianna said:
Marriage is a holy thing. I wouldn't think it would ever be good to pretend anything.
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agree.
specially not in religious ceremonies with sincere people and tricking them all.
Many seem marry for reasons other than love and sometimes to use someone with or without there knowledge .
 
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