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This is a great post. I'm another person who pointed to Luke 16:18 regarding divorce and remarriage. Deuteronomy 24 has verses to definitely contemplate. Now how does someone look at Luke 16:18, the first few verses of Deuteronomy 24, and come to a proper conclusion?
I even looked at a Bible commentary regarding Deuteronomy 24 and it pretty much reinforced what the plain text said.
https://enduringword.com/bible-commentary/deuteronomy-24/
https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/mhc/Deu/Deu_024.cfm
The only conclusion that I can come up with, is that it's better to not get married, than you don't have to worry about divorce.
Who wants to take a stab of two contradictory verses?!?! There must be a spiritual lesson to join these two verses.
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O.k., I think I found the answer. Not sure if this correct, but it's the best I got. Please comment, if you think this is in error.
Whoever marries a woman, who has been divorced, and the old husband is not dead, that is adultery. Whoever divorces a woman for reasons other than sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery, but if she is divorced due to adultery, than she is already an adulterer, so the divorcer isn't causing her to commit adultery, because she is already an adulterer. I would assume the opposite is true regarding husbands being divorced by their wives.
Jesus answers the question, why did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce? It's because you are sinners, so God allowed an out, but it was never the original plan. Just like God loves the world, but many through their ways have fornicated with other gods (worshipping idols), and made God divorce the people HE loved. We have to remember, God is the center piece here, not us sinners.
Anyways, I think God is allowing divorce, because we are sinners, but just because God allows us to sin, doesn't mean it's right to sin. Deuteronmy 24:2 doesn't say that the 2nd marriage isn't adultery, it says, "2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife."
So, why did the man divorce her in verse 24? It's says, "because he hath found some uncleanness in her". What is the uncleanness? She was committing adultery with her neighbor!! So, she already doesn't care about the law, Don't commit adultery...Right?
Jesus than confirms what Deuteronomy 24 says, by Luke 16:18 which says... 18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. Jesus is being a good rabbi, by confirming the Torah.
Why would you put away your wife? Because she is committing adultery. If the wife who is divorced by reasons of adultery, marries another, because of adultery, not sure how one could argue that remarriage o.k. for reasons of adultery. Does that makes sense?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+16:18&version=KJV
Deuteronomy 24 King James Version
24 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 24&version=KJV
I read this commentary down here, think it helps.
Matthew 19 has more on this conversation about divorce:
3And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” 4He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?” 8He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”[a]
This is no doubt why some couples separate in situations where a serious issue other than adultery is involved.
MacArthur explains the Old Testament passages to which Jesus referred:
Jesus here is referring back to that Deuteronomic law in Deuteronomy 24 in which there are no exceptions. He’s simply reiterating that law but that has to be taken in comparison with a couple of other passages. Since God in His common grace had allowed the death penalty for adultery to disappear, and it is a kind of common grace; since God graciously had allowed the nations to go their own way sinfully and not punish adultery with death, there was a provision for divorce under one condition … Jesus is saying this is taking it all the way back to the original law with the one exception that if there is the cause of immorality, unchastity, sexual sin, then there is a granting of the right to a divorce.
… the death penalty not being enforced, even back in Moses’ day, there was a concession that you who have been offended by immoral conduct of a spouse can divorce …
We find the same statement in Matthew 5:31-32:
Divorce
31 “It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
https://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2014/08/30/forbidden-bible-verses-luke-1618/
Whoever marries a woman, who has been divorced, and the old husband is not dead, that is adultery. Whoever divorces a woman for reasons other than sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery, but if she is divorced due to adultery, than she is already an adulterer, so the divorcer isn't causing her to commit adultery, because she is already an adulterer. I would assume the opposite is true regarding husbands being divorced by their wives.
Jesus answers the question, why did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce? It's because you are sinners, so God allowed an out, but it was never the original plan. Just like God loves the world, but many through their ways have fornicated with other gods (worshipping idols), and made God divorce the people HE loved. We have to remember, God is the center piece here, not us sinners.
Anyways, I think God is allowing divorce, because we are sinners, but just because God allows us to sin, doesn't mean it's right to sin. Deuteronmy 24:2 doesn't say that the 2nd marriage isn't adultery, it says, "2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife."
So, why did the man divorce her in verse 24? It's says, "because he hath found some uncleanness in her". What is the uncleanness? She was committing adultery with her neighbor!! So, she already doesn't care about the law, Don't commit adultery...Right?
Jesus than confirms what Deuteronomy 24 says, by Luke 16:18 which says... 18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. Jesus is being a good rabbi, by confirming the Torah.
Why would you put away your wife? Because she is committing adultery. If the wife who is divorced by reasons of adultery, marries another, because of adultery, not sure how one could argue that remarriage o.k. for reasons of adultery. Does that makes sense?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+16:18&version=KJV
Deuteronomy 24 King James Version
24 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 24&version=KJV
I read this commentary down here, think it helps.
Matthew 19 has more on this conversation about divorce:
3And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” 4He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?” 8He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”[a]
This is no doubt why some couples separate in situations where a serious issue other than adultery is involved.
MacArthur explains the Old Testament passages to which Jesus referred:
Jesus here is referring back to that Deuteronomic law in Deuteronomy 24 in which there are no exceptions. He’s simply reiterating that law but that has to be taken in comparison with a couple of other passages. Since God in His common grace had allowed the death penalty for adultery to disappear, and it is a kind of common grace; since God graciously had allowed the nations to go their own way sinfully and not punish adultery with death, there was a provision for divorce under one condition … Jesus is saying this is taking it all the way back to the original law with the one exception that if there is the cause of immorality, unchastity, sexual sin, then there is a granting of the right to a divorce.
… the death penalty not being enforced, even back in Moses’ day, there was a concession that you who have been offended by immoral conduct of a spouse can divorce …
We find the same statement in Matthew 5:31-32:
Divorce
31 “It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
https://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2014/08/30/forbidden-bible-verses-luke-1618/
I think I decoded the mystery in my previous post. I'm guessing from your previous posts mentioning Deuteronomy 24, that you think it's o.k. to get remarried after divorce. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. And yes, I have seen some heated posts about divorce. Bible Forum gets heated in just about every topic imaginable, even the most trivial of verses.
Herod arrested John the Baptist for he spoke against his marriage, because he married his brother's wife. It just proves the scripture to be accurate.
Mathew 14
14 At that time Herod the tetrarch heard the reports about Jesus, 2 and he said to his attendants, “This is John the Baptist; he has risen from the dead! That is why miraculous powers are at work in him.”
3 Now Herod had arrested John and bound him and put him in prison because of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife, 4 for John had been saying to him: “It is not lawful for you to have her.” 5 Herod wanted to kill John, but he was afraid of the people, because they considered John a prophet.
Herod arrested John the Baptist for he spoke against his marriage, because he married his brother's wife. It just proves the scripture to be accurate.
Mathew 14
14 At that time Herod the tetrarch heard the reports about Jesus, 2 and he said to his attendants, “This is John the Baptist; he has risen from the dead! That is why miraculous powers are at work in him.”
3 Now Herod had arrested John and bound him and put him in prison because of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife, 4 for John had been saying to him: “It is not lawful for you to have her.” 5 Herod wanted to kill John, but he was afraid of the people, because they considered John a prophet.
Love the enthusiasm, truly 👏
Do you have a concordance? Strong’s concordance is free to download on iPhone, tough to do a study like this without one.
Best to start in the beginning at Deuteronomy 24:1-4 and ask ourselves if Jesus voided this part of scripture that clearly allows for divorce and remarriage?
Concordance is key.
Apoluo: send out used 89 times in the NT
Apostasion: divorce, divorce certificate 3 times
Shalach: send out… used 852 times in the OT
Keriythuth: divorce, divorce cert. used 4 times
Do you have a concordance? Strong’s concordance is free to download on iPhone, tough to do a study like this without one.
Best to start in the beginning at Deuteronomy 24:1-4 and ask ourselves if Jesus voided this part of scripture that clearly allows for divorce and remarriage?
Concordance is key.
Apoluo: send out used 89 times in the NT
Apostasion: divorce, divorce certificate 3 times
Shalach: send out… used 852 times in the OT
Keriythuth: divorce, divorce cert. used 4 times
Hey bro 👋 yes I’ve read that. Sounds like you’re familiar with topic as well. My above question (derived from Mark 10:12) was meant to be thought provoking.
KJV Mark 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
ESV Mark 10:12 and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.”
More thought proving questions.
Was Jesus warning the woman who divorces her husband or was he warning the woman who leaves, departs, separates, puts away?
Is there a difference?
KJV Mark 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
ESV Mark 10:12 and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.”
More thought proving questions.
Was Jesus warning the woman who divorces her husband or was he warning the woman who leaves, departs, separates, puts away?
Is there a difference?
K
Saw the subject of divorce and just realized it's the singles forum. Either way, my ten cents is God wouldn't condone abuse in a marriage so I don't believe he would expect someone to stay in an abusive marriage. When I was younger I knew a judge who was a Christian, but he had some rather odd views. He was part of the Brethren Church, very strict. Anyhow a case came before him of a couple and he sent the wife back with an abusive husband. If I recall I think he broke her jaw, he certainly gave her a beating. Just common sense, abuse in a marriage should never be tolerated. Get out as fast as you can and don't look back.
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Be very careful of speaking against marriage. I'm not trying to be rude, and I understand people will make the choice not to be married. But it was God's plan for marriage, for man not to be alone. I really dislike when I heard a Christian married man talk against marriage. Marriage is sacred and God ordained it. We must be very careful when we speak of marriage, and it should be taken very seriously when entering into it.
8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 1 Corinthians
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians 7-9&version=NIV
Paul the Apostle needs to learn that marriage is sacred, ordained by God, and don't speak against marriage. Right?
I get your point, but there is like 8 billion people in the world. You have to make a serious effort to be alone. I was just sharing my viewpoint, if I offended you, I'm sorry.
Hollywood and culture puts so much pressure on people, just trying to take the edge off. If people want to get married, go for it, but many people are divorced, and talk about the trials of being married. Don't forget the messy divorce trial and judgements. Men are going to prison, because they can't pay alimony, or child support. The marriage contract is broken in Western society and I was just hinting my concern. Maybe I was trying to bring a little balance in very lopsided belief?!?!
Do you think the idea of marriage is lopsided at all? Hollywood paints this picture of happily ever after, not really. I hear the honeymoon ends after two years normally, than life's pressure kicks in.
Marriage is a beautiful thing, but people tend to dirty things. It's in our nature.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians 7-9&version=NIV
Paul the Apostle needs to learn that marriage is sacred, ordained by God, and don't speak against marriage. Right?
I get your point, but there is like 8 billion people in the world. You have to make a serious effort to be alone. I was just sharing my viewpoint, if I offended you, I'm sorry.
Hollywood and culture puts so much pressure on people, just trying to take the edge off. If people want to get married, go for it, but many people are divorced, and talk about the trials of being married. Don't forget the messy divorce trial and judgements. Men are going to prison, because they can't pay alimony, or child support. The marriage contract is broken in Western society and I was just hinting my concern. Maybe I was trying to bring a little balance in very lopsided belief?!?!
Do you think the idea of marriage is lopsided at all? Hollywood paints this picture of happily ever after, not really. I hear the honeymoon ends after two years normally, than life's pressure kicks in.
Marriage is a beautiful thing, but people tend to dirty things. It's in our nature.
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Well first off you didn't offend me.
Some here know my story. I was in my 40s before I ever dated. I married late in life. One of the reasons is because I was in ministry and never home. But another of those reasons was that I didn't hear a lot of good things about marriage. And I was raised in the church. But I can only speak from my own experience. First off, I don't look to Hollywood for anything. Those are people who are paid millions of dollars to pretend to be someone they're not. They have a crew of people following them around to make them look perfect. Hallmark has made a killing off of selling women false dreams of what a man and a relationship really is. Marriage comes down to expectations. If you're looking for a man to give you flowers every minute of the day, do everything the way you want it done, give you all the attention you need and support your every thought and whim, that's a movie about a fake relationship. That's not real life. I've told often of a gf of mine asked me to "look for a man for her" in my travels in ministry. I asked her what type of man she was looking for and was stunned when she said " You know the Rock"? I said "the actor Dwayne Johnson?!" She said "Yes, I want someone like that". With a totally straight face. Needless to say, years later, she's still single. Why? Because she doesn't know fantasy from reality.
I have been married 8 yrs. I was one of those people that never saw myself as married. It's a joke between hubby and I over who was the slowest mover. We were engaged for a long time. Finally we decided it was time to get married. Has our life been perfect? No. He lost his job and that was very stressful. My mother took cancer and I have had to look after her, meaning we've had to be apart a lot. Other family issues have caused problems. So no, it's not perfect. But after 8 yrs. we both say we'd do it over again, only sooner. The things we feared have not come true. We are in love today as we were on our wedding day. He is my greatest support, he has more faith in me than I do myself. He says the same about me. In all things we are a team and we have each others back. I've said before my father has said that life, marriage is 99% making up your mind to do, to commit, to stay and work it out. If someone was to ask my opinion on marriage I would say it is the most wonderful thing a person can do. I can't imagine my life without my spouse. The happiest times of my life have been with him. But we were older, we were ready to commit, we never played head games and we are honest with each other. My husband has been a blessing in my life in so many ways and I have no doubt God sent him to me. So whoever is telling you that marriage is over after 2yrs. I can't judge them, I can just say I am blessed to be with my husband and thank God for sending him to me. I have been blessed more than I deserve.
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Well first off you didn't offend me. Some here know my story. I was in my 40s before I ever dated. I married late in life. One of the reasons is because I was in ministry and never home. But another of those reasons was that I didn't hear a lot of good things about marriage. And I was raised in the church. But I can only speak from my own experience.
First off, I don't look to Hollywood for anything. Those are people who are paid millions of dollars to pretend to be someone they're not. They have a crew of people following them around to make them look perfect. Hallmark has made a killing off of selling women false dreams of what a man and a relationship really is. Marriage comes down to expectations. If you're looking for a man to give you flowers every minute of the day, do everything the way you want it done, give you all the attention you need and support your every thought and whim, that's a movie about a fake relationship. That's not real life. I've told often of a gf of mine asked me to "look for a man for her" in my travels in ministry. I asked her what type of man she was looking for and was stunned when she said " You know the Rock"? I said "the actor Dwayne Johnson?!" She said "Yes, I want someone like that". With a totally straight face. Needless to say, years later, she's still single. Why? Because she doesn't know fantasy from reality.
I have been married 8 yrs. I was one of those people that never saw myself as married. It's a joke between hubby and I over who was the slowest mover. We were engaged for a long time. Finally we decided it was time to get married. Has our life been perfect? No. He lost his job and that was very stressful. My mother took cancer and I have had to look after her, meaning we've had to be apart a lot. Other family issues have caused problems. So no, it's not perfect. But after 8 yrs. we both say we'd do it over again, only sooner. The things we feared have not come true. We are in love today as we were on our wedding day. He is my greatest support, he has more faith in me than I do myself. He says the same about me. In all things we are a team and we have each others back. I've said before my father has said that life, marriage is 99% making up your mind to do, to commit, to stay and work it out. If someone was to ask my opinion on marriage I would say it is the most wonderful thing a person can do. I can't imagine my life without my spouse. The happiest times of my life have been with him. But we were older, we were ready to commit, we never played head games and we are honest with each other. My husband has been a blessing in my life in so many ways and I have no doubt God sent him to me. So whoever is telling you that marriage is over after 2yrs. I can't judge them, I can just say I am blessed to be with my husband and thank God for sending him to me. I have been blessed more than I deserve.
Some here know my story. I was in my 40s before I ever dated. I married late in life. One of the reasons is because I was in ministry and never home. But another of those reasons was that I didn't hear a lot of good things about marriage. And I was raised in the church. But I can only speak from my own experience. First off, I don't look to Hollywood for anything. Those are people who are paid millions of dollars to pretend to be someone they're not. They have a crew of people following them around to make them look perfect. Hallmark has made a killing off of selling women false dreams of what a man and a relationship really is. Marriage comes down to expectations. If you're looking for a man to give you flowers every minute of the day, do everything the way you want it done, give you all the attention you need and support your every thought and whim, that's a movie about a fake relationship. That's not real life. I've told often of a gf of mine asked me to "look for a man for her" in my travels in ministry. I asked her what type of man she was looking for and was stunned when she said " You know the Rock"? I said "the actor Dwayne Johnson?!" She said "Yes, I want someone like that". With a totally straight face. Needless to say, years later, she's still single. Why? Because she doesn't know fantasy from reality.
I have been married 8 yrs. I was one of those people that never saw myself as married. It's a joke between hubby and I over who was the slowest mover. We were engaged for a long time. Finally we decided it was time to get married. Has our life been perfect? No. He lost his job and that was very stressful. My mother took cancer and I have had to look after her, meaning we've had to be apart a lot. Other family issues have caused problems. So no, it's not perfect. But after 8 yrs. we both say we'd do it over again, only sooner. The things we feared have not come true. We are in love today as we were on our wedding day. He is my greatest support, he has more faith in me than I do myself. He says the same about me. In all things we are a team and we have each others back. I've said before my father has said that life, marriage is 99% making up your mind to do, to commit, to stay and work it out. If someone was to ask my opinion on marriage I would say it is the most wonderful thing a person can do. I can't imagine my life without my spouse. The happiest times of my life have been with him. But we were older, we were ready to commit, we never played head games and we are honest with each other. My husband has been a blessing in my life in so many ways and I have no doubt God sent him to me. So whoever is telling you that marriage is over after 2yrs. I can't judge them, I can just say I am blessed to be with my husband and thank God for sending him to me. I have been blessed more than I deserve.
Tell your friend, people think I look a lot like Dwayne Johnson, so let's start wedding planning!!! lol
Who is Dwayne Johnson again?
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Well are you into red heads? Got to clear that up first, shes a natural red .This dude is Johnson, and hey, no hair so win win for some of you guys out there. I looked but I didn't see any dudes that looked like this for her. I take it they aren't around every corner. And since she's still single I guess she didn't find him either.
