Does anyone care what the Bible says about marriage anymore?

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Just so we're all working from the same verses here...

1Corinthians 7:10-11 To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife.

Luke 6:18
“Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery."

Matthew 5:32
But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Mark 10:12
And if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery
These are four key verses talking about marriage and divorce. It's clear that God laid out standards for us; that if we decide to get married, we are bound by it, and if divorce must happen, the consequence is that you can't marry someone else.

So reading through these forums I see many posts from divorced people talking about starting new relationships, and I rarely (if ever) see anyone respond with one of these verses.

The way I see it is that God laid these rules down for us so that we wouldn't get married stupidly, and we wouldn't give up on marriage easily. Since believers have only one shot at it, He is sparing us from the trauma and heartbreak that divorce and remarriage entails.

God says that the whole remarriage thing is adultery. This is comparable to being openly homosexual. Why do we get upset over homosexuals and not adulterers (divorced people who get remarried)?

My question is: does anyone care what the Bible has to say about marriage anymore? Input would be appreciated.
 
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Yes, of course we care what God has to say on the matter. That's the whole point, frankly.

Divorce can happen by one of 2 different vectors:

1) One spouse cheats on the faithful spouse dragging the faithful spouse into divorce by default.

2) both spouses cheat on each other.

The Lord Jesus is very clear about not imbedding the sin of the cheating spouse onto the faithful spouse, but instead, granting that faithful spouse free from the vows of marriage.

In other words, since when is the faithful spouse to remain married to a cheating spouse? That's no longer a holy marriage, is it?
 
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Yes, of course we care what God has to say on the matter. That's the whole point, frankly.

Divorce can happen by one of 2 different vectors:

1) One spouse cheats on the other spouse dragging the faithful spouse into divorce by default.

2) both spouses cheat on each other.

The Lord Jesus is very clear on not imbedding the sin of the cheating spouse onto the faithful spouse, but instead, granting that faithful spouse free from the vows of marriage.

In other words, since when is the faithful spouse to remain married to a cheating spouse? That's no longer a holy marriage, is it?
Banana,

I'm talking less about divorce and more about re-marriage. What Biblical principle does God give us that says the faithful spouse can get re-married? Even looking at someone lustfully is considered cheating, so by that standard EVERY married couple has the right to get divorced and re-married, and both spouses are the unfaithful ones.
 
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What Biblical principle does God give us that says the faithful spouse can get re-married?
The principle is drawn from the OT by way of the faithful spouse being spared from stoning, and was granted to return to her father's house. Any spouse caught in adultery was to be stoned to death; hence, removing that type of defilement from the House of Israel.
 
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That still doesn't address the issue that according to God, BOTH partners are unfaithful and deserve to be stoned.

Matthew 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
 
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Well, when both spouse are cheaters, then neither is to remarry. Frankly, neither spouse would remain alive to remarry. :D
When one spouse is the cheater, then that spouse is also not to remarry. If they do remarry somebody else, then the adultery continues into the "new" marriage.

The point is upon God's definition of adultery: to defile the marriage bed.

If your marriage vows are being honored, then a spouse becomes a traitor when he/she defiles those vows. I don't understand why it's simple for folks to understand what a traitor is, but when betrayal is applied to the marriage vows, folks don't understand a word of what Jesus is saying.

Why would the Lord condemn the faithful spouse to solitude after divorce, when all along the other spouse committed treason?
 
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I feel like I stumbled into the bible discussion forum o_o
 
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god hates divorce! as far as cheating goes
 
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ZeroT, those are pretty cool glasses. You seem to never age. :)
 
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God hates divorce! as far as cheating goes we are all sinners and we have to forgive adultery and try to do what ever it takes to avoid divorce. I think people take the quick exit instead of fighting for a marriage. I am talking from experience my wife had several affairs and we are still married I continually pray for her and I never bring up the past because I forgave her, which is no different than when God forgives us he forgets our past .so marriage is always better than divorce and worth fighting for. And I believe what God would want us to do.
 
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Howdy, AOK. :)

The article is cool... for the first couple paragraphs. The reader must be a subscriber to Christianity Today magazine in order to access the full article.

As for Paulsfam, the choices you've endured in your marriage are honorable indeed, but that's not always the blessing with the remaining broken marriages. At some point, the godly spouse needs to be set free when the cheating continues.
 
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That still doesn't address the issue that according to God, BOTH partners are unfaithful and deserve to be stoned.
I'm not sure that this act of looking lustfully can be held to the same level as a physical or even an emotional affair. This seems to be more of a warning not to even think lustful thoughts of someone else. There's no example in the Bible showing anyone being stoned or punished for their sinful thoughts, destructive as they may be.

On remarriage, there are differing views on whether an innocent spouse who is released from an adulterous marriage is Biblically able to remarry. I believe Paul teaches that they may remarry, because they are "no longer bound". If they are not bound, what would keep them from remarrying? We can go over the scriptures about this if you like, or you can check out the threads in Bible Discussion where it's been discussed.
 

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Nope, as a Christian I don't care what the bible says about marriage. I only care about dietary laws and the poetry of Psalms.
 
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there is situation's like abuse! which is not tolerable! but as far as adultery goes how many times does God forgives us? some have their limit and God gives the way out but it is not what God prefers! everyone is different but what God wants is not. If they are problems in a marriage it takes time and prayer me and my wife 15 years of marriage and still going its worth the try..
 
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Howdy, AOK. :)

The article is cool... for the first couple paragraphs. The reader must be a subscriber to Christianity Today magazine in order to access the full article.

As for Paulsfam, the choices you've endured in your marriage are honorable indeed, but that's not always the blessing with the remaining broken marriages. At some point, the godly spouse needs to be set free when the cheating continues.
Q: The New Testament seems to support divorce for a narrow range of reasons, but does it support remarriage?
—K.A.Miller, Wheaton, Illinois

A: There are three New Testament passages that bear most directly on the subject of divorce and remarriage. I suggest that when they are carefully considered, they prove to be both more demanding and less restrictive on the question of divorce and remarriage than evangelicals have often acknowledged.

Luke 16:18 is a very bold, straightforward saying that seems to settle the issue quickly: "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and whoever marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery" (all quotations from the NRSV). Both divorce and remarriage are just plain wrong—right?

Almost all New Testament scholars agree that this saying is an abbreviation of a saying of Jesus that appears in its fuller form in Matthew 5:31–32 in the Sermon on the Mount. After discussing his views contrasted with those in Judaism, Jesus remarks, "It was also said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.' But I say to you that anyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."

It is noteworthy that Jesus clearly sees some circumstances that legitimize divorce. A marriage continues to be valid until one party dissolves the marriage through unfaithfulness. This so-called exception clause appears here in Matthew 5 and again in Matthew 19 but does not occur in either Mark or Luke.

Churches and Christian institutions are mistaken when they indiscriminately deny the possibility of leadership or remarriage after men and women have divorced.

In a similar passage in Mark 10:11–12, Jesus widens the scope of the teaching to show that such dissolution may apply to the behavior of either the man or the woman (even though in Jewish custom women could not divorce their husbands, Jesus includes women equally in his charge): "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery." A more literal translation of "she commits adultery" reads, "she is adulterized," meaning if a woman is divorced without just cause, she is left in a valid marriage. Remarriage for her would, therefore, be adultery. In saying this, Jesus may very well have had in mind the practice of men discharging their wives without just cause, thereby exploiting them.

But how do we apply the "exception clause" today? Does Jesus only accept divorce as legitimate—but not remarriage for the innocent partner? In the Jewish society of Jesus' day, remarriage was always assumed for the innocent party unless prohibited for some particular reason. Unfaithfulness, therefore, would make a marriage invalid since a valid divorce canceled the marriage bond and allowed the innocent party to remarry exactly like a single person.
Jesus, in his radical kingdom commands, takes divorce very seriously. There is serious judgment for sin, but, at the same time, there is and should be no condemnation for the innocent.

"Why did Moses permit divorce?"

The second crucial passage is Matthew 19:3–12 (see also Mark 10:2–12). Here some Pharisees are testing Jesus' reading of divorce law. Jesus defends the permanence of marriage by appealing to Genesis—that the "two shall become one flesh." To answer why Moses permitted divorce, Jesus replies, "It was because you were so hard-hearted that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another commits adultery."

Note that again Jesus includes the "exception clause," which legitimizes divorces dissolved through unfaithfulness. The problem here has to do with Jewish laws that let men freely discharge their wives, often on spurious grounds. One great rabbi, Shammai, taught that the only basis for divorce was sexual unfaithfulness or adultery. But the Rabbi Hillel was more generous: "A man may divorce his wife even if she burned his soup … or spoiled a dish for him." Rabbi Akiba taught that divorce was acceptable "if he should find a woman fairer than his wife." Such divorces left women adrift in a male world, without hope of remarriage, and completely at a loss. Jesus is standing against such divorces of convenience.

He was also standing against the teaching that a man was required to dispense with his wife when he suspected unfaithfulness. (Consider Joseph's reaction when he learned of Mary's surprise pregnancy.) Jesus amends this, finding such behavior intolerable. Moses did not command his people to divorce wives, he permitted it. The springboard for right action should not be hard-heartedness, but charity. Jesus affirms once more that only if the woman has done something herself that irreparably ruptures the marriage can such a divorce be right. But it isn't a necessary response.

Many today have misread this particular passage to make two statements: (1) One cannot divorce his wife unless she has been unfaithful; (2) Whoever remarries commits adultery. But this is not the meaning. The active verb here is "commits adultery," and the entire sentence must be held together. It should be read, "Whoever does the following commits adultery: divorces his wife (except for immorality) and remarries another." Judgment is being placed not on someone remarrying but on someone remarrying after pursuing an illegitimate divorce. If the divorce is invalid, so is the remarriage. But the reverse is also true: if the divorce is valid, then re marriage must be acceptable, just as it was in commonplace Jewish custom.

"Not bound" to the marriage

A third important passage is found in 1 Corinthians 7, where Paul discusses Christian marriage. He echoes the teaching of Jesus, saying that husbands and wives are not permitted to leave each other but should work toward reconciliation. Then Paul addresses a subject that was foreign to Jesus and the Gospels. What if a Christian man or woman had a pagan spouse? Could there be spiritual union between two people when one worshiped idols? Paul affirms that Christians should not initiate a divorce because of the spouse's spiritual deficiencies: "If any believer has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her" (v. 12). The presence of a Christian in the marriage, Paul is saying, brings hope of salvation to the children and the family.

But then Paul makes one exception to Jesus' rule on divorce: If the unbelieving spouse deserts the marriage, the innocent spouse must work on reconciliation (vv. 10–11), but in the end "is not bound." This final phrase in verse 15 is crucial. The innocent party is not bound to the marriage, and this includes women or men equally. This language echoes words directly from Jewish divorce law: "not bound" means that the innocent person is free to remarry.

Paul even reinforces his thought in 7:26–28: "I think that, in view of the impending crisis, it is well for you to remain as you are. Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife. But if you marry, you do not sin, and if a virgin marries, she does not sin." More literally rendered, Paul does not say "are you free," he says, "are you freed," meaning, someone who has been freed from a marriage, namely, someone who was married and divorced. Paul prefers they remain single because of the suffering of this age, but if they marry, according to verse 28, they do not sin.
In sum, Paul adds one more possible reason for a valid divorce: the desertion of a marriage by an unbelieving partner. In such a case, while the Christian spouse should not be eager to divorce, still, if he or she is a victim of divorce, he or she may remarry.

"The husband of one wife"

Finally, Paul makes some remarks about the nature of marriage in his pastoral letters that reflect on the issue of divorce and remarriage. In both 1 Timothy 3:2 and in Titus 1:6, Paul stipulates that bishops (1 Timothy) and elders (Titus) should be "married only once" or "the husband of one wife." These verses have led many Christian organizations to disqualify potential leaders who have ever been divorced. But I doubt that this is even near what Paul is thinking.

First, he may be referring to polygamy. While having multiple wives was against Roman law, still, it was legal in Palestinian Judaism even though monogamy was the norm. Jewish oral tradition, in fact, justifies having 18 wives. Thus, Paul may be
saying that these Christian leaders must have "just one wife."

Second, evidence from Greco-Roman society indicates that some men did have concubines even though they were illegal in both Greek and Roman society. Paul may be making it absolutely clear: Christian men must be pure and moral in their marital relations. He is looking for leaders with stable family lives.

The New Testament, therefore, tells us that marriage is to be seen as a divinely instituted relationship between a man and a woman. It should be monogamous and permanent. However, there are two exceptions where divorce is valid: when a spouse is unfaithful and when an unbelieving spouse deserts the marriage. In each case, the marriage is dissolved and the innocent partner is free to remarry.

Divorce is the tragic result of what be comes of humanity as it wrestles with sin and brokenness. Whenever a marriage fails, we should mourn it as tragic. But there should be no error so grave that it cannot be forgiven; no mistake beyond the reach of grace.

Likewise, our God is a God of renewal and restoration. In some cases, this means restoring a marriage to its original partnership. In other cases—and I can think of many—it means that remarriage is an opportunity for renewal and new hope. This is why churches and Christian institutions are mistaken when they indiscriminately deny the possibility of leadership positions or remarriage after men and women have divorced. Such a position denies not only the spirit of Jesus' ministry but also misunderstands the grace of God in a broken world.

-By Gary M. Burge, professor of New Testament at Wheaton College and Graduate School.
 
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Good God! AOK, if I didn't know any better, I'd almost think the article was written in the Bible itself! That was a very thorough essay.

Thank you, Brother, for posting the article here in Singles Forum. :)
 
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AoK,

That article was really helpful, thanks for posting it!

So basically, it's saying remarriage is okay if the other person cheated. But Paulsfam4 has a really good point as well; we are unfaithful to Christ all the time, but He doesn't divorce us! We are still Christ's bride. I think that is incredibly significant. The article did a good job at explaining it though.

The article also says that if your unbelieving spouse leaves, and you tried and were willing to keep it together, then you can remarry as well. That makes sense.
 

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AoK,

That article was really helpful, thanks for posting it!

So basically, it's saying remarriage is okay if the other person cheated. But Paulsfam4 has a really good point as well; we are unfaithful to Christ all the time, but He doesn't divorce us! We are still Christ's bride. I think that is incredibly significant. The article did a good job at explaining it though.

The article also says that if your unbelieving spouse leaves, and you tried and were willing to keep it together, then you can remarry as well. That makes sense.


God did divorce Israel, however.


Jeremiah 3:8- And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.