In the Friendzone?

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Nick01

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Hello all! I'm happy to flick this out into a wider discussion of the topic, but I was interested in running my particular 'case study' by people here, to get some particular thoughts.

So, this girl at my church that I've known for a while is an amazing Christian woman. There are a lot of things I really admire about her as a woman of God. We've both been at the same church since we were kids, but kind of only moved into the same circle of friends once we got over the typical kid 'girls group' and 'boys group' way of having friends through school. We got on really well (as do most of us in the clutch of young adults at my church). For a while now, I've entertained the possibility of seeing whether we could explore the relationship being something more, and got as far as face-to-face asking if she'd like to do coffee sometime. OF course, she's not stupid, and worked out that I wanted to see if we could take things to the 'next level' (hate that phrase), and basically said if that was the case, then let's not do coffee. I said that was indeed what I was thinking, and said 'cool'. And that was that.

So, two things. One, is that soon after this she was dating some other guy (who I actually got on quite well with, and the impression was that this had been in the works for a while, so it made sense). OF course, what I also thought was that potentially a large part of her rejection was this other relationship, which has since ended (I think it lasted a couple of months, I can't quite remember).

My second thought was that perhaps I wasn't necessarily 100% not a possibility, which was the impression I took from the initial nix'ing. Perhaps it just put me further down the list behind other men that she didn't already know as good friends (which, in tandem with the last point, allowed me to rationalise everything in my head without arriving at the conclusion that she would never entertain a relationship with me).

So, my questions are basically this: am I playing games in my head that aren't going to prove fruitful either in a possible relationship or in actually serving this girl as a sister in Christ, while also serving God? Could it actually be that what I was thinking was right, and I should actually make another approach? Could it be that I am friendzoned, or that it was mainly this other relationship, or some other x quality of mine that doesn't make me a likely candidate? If I can reasonably entertain the prospect of making another approach, how should I got about doing this?

Obviously, the ideal situation would be to get to a point where we both feel comfortable to take the time to slowly and seriously spend time together and look towards courting. However, I think barring that, I would actually also really be happy for us to take some time, both aware of exactly where the other is at and why they are there, and pray and think seperately over whether we should pursue anything at all, even if we concluded it wasn't on.

What say you?
 
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Donkeyfish07

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If it were me, I would just pull her aside and tell her I'm really interested, I'd like to be more than friends and ask if she is ok with that. If she says no, then a simple ok....just friends then :). She already said no once so the odds aren't looking too good but if you think it's still a possibility why not take another stab at it?
 
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Jen2013

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Hi Nick,
You said that you had asked her to get coffee with you, but she knew you wanted to "go to the next level" and she said cool. So my question is did you go out with her on a date or you had just asked her before she went out with that other guy?
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Hi Nick,
You said that you had asked her to get coffee with you, but she knew you wanted to "go to the next level" and she said cool. So my question is did you go out with her on a date or you had just asked her before she went out with that other guy?
"she's not stupid, and worked out that I wanted to see if we could take things to the 'next level' (hate that phrase), and basically said if that was the case, then let's not do coffee. I said that was indeed what I was thinking, and said 'cool'. And that was that."

she basically said no the first time.....but he thinks it might be because she was already talking to another guy at that time.
 

Nick01

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I guess the main reason why I haven't had another stab at it at this point is if her no was just a straight out no, then it just seems damn irritating and pushy of me. :p I expect I probably will take another stab at some point, though, hence why I'm trying to gauge how I should approach it. Again, I think I can accept a no, but I would like it to be a thoughtful, prayerful one.

To clarify Jen, I said 'cool', not her. I think she handled that whole conversation a lot better than I did :p. I have never been out with her on anything like a date. I asked whether she wanted to meet up for coffee, she said no, and then soon after (within the next month or two) she was in a relationship with this other guy who I'm 99.9% certain she'd known for several months, at least, previously. Hence why I'm thinking about my initial approach in different terms now than I did then.
 
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Jen2013

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Oh okay...sorry for misunderstanding.
I agree with Donkeyfish07. All the best :)
 
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Donkeyfish07

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I guess the main reason why I haven't had another stab at it at this point is if her no was just a straight out no, then it just seems damn irritating and pushy of me. :p I expect I probably will take another stab at some point, though, hence why I'm trying to gauge how I should approach it. Again, I think I can accept a no, but I would like it to be a thoughtful, prayerful one.

To clarify Jen, I said 'cool', not her. I think she handled that whole conversation a lot better than I did :p. I have never been out with her on anything like a date. I asked whether she wanted to meet up for coffee, she said no, and then soon after (within the next month or two) she was in a relationship with this other guy who I'm 99.9% certain she'd known for several months, at least, previously. Hence why I'm thinking about my initial approach in different terms now than I did then.
Definitely, no definitely means no but if you think it's just because she was semi involved and you weren't aware of that the first time.......there's no harm in taking another stab at it as long as your being respectful.
 

Nick01

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Thanks for the sound advice Donkeyfish and Jen.

Any closing tips on how to approach that convo. As I mentioned, the last time I tried this it ended kind of abruptly (my fault), and I feel like to deal with this probably I need to walk away from it either way with a clear, unambiguous sense of where we stand. How should I got about doing that?

For instance, would it be too push to ask for a bit of a rationale in the event of a no? To start off by saying I don't want an answer straight away, but unless she has some burning reason why she immediately says no (like, I'm a jerk/heretic, whatever), it might be an idea if after the convo we both go away to pray and think, and talk again about this in a week? What's the most godly avenue for me to direct the conversation towards?

Thanks again for the good help.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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She said no straight up, doesn't even seem like she hesitated. Chances are she has already thought about the idea of you and her and obviously wasn't thrilled with it. Personally i don't think it has anything to do with this other guy.

Now this is just if it were me. I say no one time and i mean no. Not, no not right now, but why don't you ask me in a few weeks or months and maybe my answer will change. Especially if it's someone i have previously said no to. The next time he asks i'm just gonna start getting annoyed. What would make you think she's any different. She said no once already and made that crystal clear.
 
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Meerkat

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If she's not interested, she's not interested. Just leave her be. She just may not like you "in that way".

And just a personal girl thing, it's best to never refer to being rebuffed in any romantic situation as "being put/being in the friendzone".
 
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Powemm

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you've made your interest to her clear , correct?
if she's interested it will be made known..
i wouldnt be to overbearing about it..
 
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Shouryu

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I was waiting for the girls to chime in, because I was pretty sure of what I was going to see.

Most of the men gave one answer. (Okay, one guy.)
All of the women gave a different one.

I kind of figured that'd be the case.

My opinion? Your best chance to win this girl over...is to stop trying to win this girl over. Seriously. Stop trying, stop caring. Sure, be her friend and all, but take the notion of wanting to be with her and throw it in the trash. She might one day change her mind, but she's not going to change her mind if she's constantly wondering if you're still hung up on her. And more importantly, YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT AROUND FOR HER TO CHANGE HER MIND. You're busy.

See, you're busy just being the best you that you can be. You're in the Word. You're doing stuff at church. You're hanging out with people -- LOTS OF PEOPLE, not just the ones that you want to date! Be kind and loving and Christlike to EVERYONE: brothers, sisters, and unbelievers. You don't have time to hang around and try and charm her, because you're just going to be generally charming to everyone by being a man of God who is focused on being a better man of God, instead of focusing on why you can't win over this girl.

Time will pass, and one of three things will happen.

--1. You've grown and studied and blossomed spiritually to the point that you know that God's plan for you does not involve a partner. BULLY FOR YOU! You're in God's will, and you know you will not be distracted!
--2. Someone else completely will see you for who you've become, because she is also fighting and scrapping and pushing her way towards God like you, and that was His plan all along, and you've got the woman He purposed for you. Again, BULLY FOR YOU!
--3. The woman you are currently interested in will take a second look at you when she least expects it, because she will have forgotten that you once had a thing for her, because, once again, she just now sees someone who's fighting and scrapping and pushing to get closer to God, and that's what she wants, too! And that was His plan all along. BULLY FOR YOU!

Some things to consider. There are three endings, but you don't get to pick the ending. They all start with the same beginning, and let God handle the rest: the start is YOU focusing on HIM and not on the distractions of this world! The second thing to consider is that all three end points are equally desirable. There are no winners or losers in this line up, because they all end with you drawing closer to the Lord and being in His will.

Two people in different places who are walking towards the same thing (Christ!) are eventually going to converge. But not if one of them gets distracted and veers off of that path.

Get to it!




(Must add to my To Do list: "Follow own advice.")
 
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Catlynn

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I was waiting for the girls to chime in, because I was pretty sure of what I was going to see.

Most of the men gave one answer. (Okay, one guy.)
All of the women gave a different one.

I kind of figured that'd be the case.

My opinion? Your best chance to win this girl over...is to stop trying to win this girl over. Seriously. Stop trying, stop caring. Sure, be her friend and all, but take the notion of wanting to be with her and throw it in the trash. She might one day change her mind, but she's not going to change her mind if she's constantly wondering if you're still hung up on her. And more importantly, YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT AROUND FOR HER TO CHANGE HER MIND. You're busy.

See, you're busy just being the best you that you can be. You're in the Word. You're doing stuff at church. You're hanging out with people -- LOTS OF PEOPLE, not just the ones that you want to date! Be kind and loving and Christlike to EVERYONE: brothers, sisters, and unbelievers. You don't have time to hang around and try and charm her, because you're just going to be generally charming to everyone by being a man of God who is focused on being a better man of God, instead of focusing on why you can't win over this girl.

Time will pass, and one of three things will happen.

--1. You've grown and studied and blossomed spiritually to the point that you know that God's plan for you does not involve a partner. BULLY FOR YOU! You're in God's will, and you know you will not be distracted!
--2. Someone else completely will see you for who you've become, because she is also fighting and scrapping and pushing her way towards God like you, and that was His plan all along, and you've got the woman He purposed for you. Again, BULLY FOR YOU!
--3. The woman you are currently interested in will take a second look at you when she least expects it, because she will have forgotten that you once had a thing for her, because, once again, she just now sees someone who's fighting and scrapping and pushing to get closer to God, and that's what she wants, too! And that was His plan all along. BULLY FOR YOU!

Some things to consider. There are three endings, but you don't get to pick the ending. They all start with the same beginning, and let God handle the rest: the start is YOU focusing on HIM and not on the distractions of this world! The second thing to consider is that all three end points are equally desirable. There are no winners or losers in this line up, because they all end with you drawing closer to the Lord and being in His will.

Two people in different places who are walking towards the same thing (Christ!) are eventually going to converge. But not if one of them gets distracted and veers off of that path.

Get to it!




(Must add to my To Do list: "Follow own advice.")
Well, I was going to reply along these same lines, but Sho's post is so well thought out and broken down so that it's easily understood, that I'm just going to quote him and say, "Yeah that." :D
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Thanks for the sound advice Donkeyfish and Jen.

Any closing tips on how to approach that convo. As I mentioned, the last time I tried this it ended kind of abruptly (my fault), and I feel like to deal with this probably I need to walk away from it either way with a clear, unambiguous sense of where we stand. How should I got about doing that?

For instance, would it be too push to ask for a bit of a rationale in the event of a no? To start off by saying I don't want an answer straight away, but unless she has some burning reason why she immediately says no (like, I'm a jerk/heretic, whatever), it might be an idea if after the convo we both go away to pray and think, and talk again about this in a week? What's the most godly avenue for me to direct the conversation towards?

Thanks again for the good help.
Just be honest and lay your cards on the table.....and don't ask her to explain herself if she says she is not interested. Leave it at that and don't bring it up again. You really sound like your too worried about the outcome of this, it's not that big of a deal if she says she isn't interested.

And regardless of what these ladies say.....there is nothing wrong with asking twice if you aren't positive she isn't interested and your respectful......I asked one girl out over 20 times before she finally said yes and we ended up dating for a long time.....she knew me really well though and knew how to take me.....I definitely do not recommend you take it quite that far....I just brought it up to prove a point :p
 

Markum1972

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Being forthright and honest saves a lot of time and eliminates confusion. Be bold. Don't fear the outcome. Regret should be in not knowing because you have not asked, not in what her answer is.
 

Nick01

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Thanks again for the replies! Really helpful :)

Again, to clarify. In my head, the fact that she was almost certainly interested in this other guy/about to start going out with him when I asked, makes me think that the quick convo we had might not have been simply her rejecting me. If it were me, and someone asked me out when I was about to start a relationship with someone else, I would obviously not have to consider it - I would just say no! She's the type of person who probably would not explain why she would say no in that situation.

And just a personal girl thing, it's best to never refer to being rebuffed in any romantic situation as "being put/being in the friendzone".
I wasn't meaning to be flippant or particularly moany. Sorry if my using that phrase is a bit jerkbaggy. I guess I just used it as a shorthand for "amd I genuinely not and never will be on the radar?" Really, if I am not relationship material for her, that is fine. I would be more than ok with an answer that I can't rationalise around. I just don't actually know :p But genuinely, thanks for the rebuke - I don't want to be acting in a way that undermines her choices. I just want to make sure I know what her choice is.

Shouryu, thanks for the post. All good things to remember, and all things I'm currently wrestling around with. I have for a long time contemplated whether God has called me to singleness, and I've prayed that if so, he would give me the gift to be able to do that. But I'm not there yet. I''ve also tried my hardest not to dwell over much on this particular issue - pretty hard! I haven't gone out of my way heaps to pursue this woman. All of our interactions are as part of a larger group, we're both involved in various ministries, some the same, several different. Haven't tried to rock the boat at all.

Oh, and in case people were wondering whether I was taking a quick, shotgun approach to this, I initially asked her out about a year and a half ago, I think. She was going out with this guy a month or so after that, and they stopped I think middleish of last year. So I've been very careful not to pressure, and not to doing anything dumb. Genuinely want to do the right thing, but I'm the kind of guy who likes knowing where I stand.

Thanks again for the wall-bouncing. Again, I'm actually not overly concerned about the particular outcome (if she says yay or nay, and if no, knowing it's just because she's not interested in me in that way, I can live with that.). I guess it's more wanting to handle it right, while also not being averse to giving myself a shot :p I think I might take another week or two to just live and pray, and then I'll just be honest and ask one more time.
 
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Jullianna

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Nick, you seem like a great guy with an amazingly humble heart. It shows in your choice of words, brother. :) I hope you are not called to singleness, as there are some young ladies out there who could be very happy with a man like you.

I wish you well with this young lady and I hope she appreciates you. :) Please let us know how it turns out. :)
 
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Catlynn

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I wholeheartedly agree with you, Jullianna. ^_^
 

Nick01

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Thanks for the kind words. And I agree, that quote from Markum's post is one to keep in mind.

I'll let you all know how it turns out. If you feel so inclined, I would appreciate prayers. Not so much for a particular outcome (though tbh I wouldn't say no :p ) but most of all that we would both be thoughtful and wise in how we approach things, that I would honour God and her in my conduct, and that God would give me a peace and heart to serve him which ever way things go.