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Jullianna

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A lot of things are spoken of as being priceless, but some things truly are, aren't they? One of those things is virtue.

There are times when some of us cringe when we see yet another thread regarding sexual purity or issues with which some struggle. Those of us who have been married or out in the world for a time or in situations where we have seen a lot of the world's ugliness in many ways have become de-sensitized to it. (I'm speaking particularly to myself tonight.) Some of us don't understand the temptation even a simple kiss can hold for those who are innocent and curious. We forget the clumsiness of more innocent times when we were learning, and oftentimes not even knowing exactly what to ask or how to ask it.

But here's the thing...do you remember YOUR innocence at all? I do. I had forgotten, but God has brought it to my remembrance of late. I hope He will do the same for you if you find yourself a bit on the jaded side, showing impatience with those who are either still very youth/have been sheltered/have clung to their innocence for many years, because if you take the time to remember it, you'll come to understand what a treasure it is, even more than those who still have it in many ways. Because you understand that once it is lost, there's no getting it back.

So, rather than cringing, I'm hoping giving thought to the precious treasure that is innocence will stir those of us who know full well what we no longer have will not only encourage those who attempt to cling to it in a world determined to steal it from them, but will do everything in our power to protect them. Even from ourselves.

This is not a thread about sexual issues/addictions or the rights or wrongs thereof, so please don't drag the message of purity down into the gutter. It's about being encouragers and defenders of innocence. I never realized before last night how easily the walks of some with the Lord can be affected by things I no longer even blink at. That may SOUND like a condescending thing to say, but my intent is the absolutely opposite. My intent is to convey my respect for them and to do all I can to lift them up/defend them. We have an opportunity to turn our losses into gains for others. That's the sort of selfless love to which we are called. My prayer is that we can rise to it.
 
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Beautifully said.

I still have most of my innocence in-tact. I don't often think about how precious this gift is. I, instead, get frustrated at being single. I get frustrated that God hasn't brought along the man for whom I have remained pure for... Instead I should be giving God the praise that he has given me the strength to wait, and that I have remained pure for His glory alone!
 

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I recently got out of a 2 month relationship with a friend, who remains a friend.

It was her first.

It reminded me of being a child and the innocence of having a crush. That feeling of being genuinely in love with someone for their heart and their mind. (not that I was in love)

The first girl I ever fell madly in love with (broke my heart) walked through a parking garage with me and halfway to my car put her arm inside of mine. I have never ever felt such electric shock of being in love and being appreciated at the same time, in any relationship since.

Like Jullianna is eluding to, remembering what my innocence feels like is remembering the truth. The truth has no substitute. In spite of what "adults" say being in love and being young is more true than being an adult and worrying about money or sex or security or anything else.
 
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This reminds me of the scene in The Outsiders where Ponyboy recites the poem by Robert Frost "Nothing Gold Can Stay", and the ending of the movie where...(oh nevermind, I don't want to spoil it for anyone)

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwJ-ppxCGPk[/video]
 
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Catlynn

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Julianna,
I also started thinking about this a bit more the other day after talking in the chatroom about movies and such. I've been actively living for God for almost 2 years now. Before that i was completely calloused to so many things of the world. In those 2 years, I've completely seen Him change my heart and mind. He's restored the innocence!

I completely agree that it is important to defend and protect the innocence of those around us! With the older children that I work with (10 and 8) I can see such a stark difference between their innocence and that of some other children because it's been protected.
I wanted to add that, along with protecting the innocent, we need to also encourage people that they can be pure of heart and thoughts once again! That it can be restored!
Galatians 5:16-17 comes to mind. If we walk by the Spirit then we will live by the Spirit! Unfortunately, few people even realize that they need that restoration or that it's possible. :( but God desires it and has the power to heal and purify! Woo!! XD
 
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Jullianna

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Yep, that’s what started me thinking about it as well, Cat. J My world is so jaded, especially work-wise…I suppose I think everyone’s is and the fact that things like partial nudity, foul language, etc. in movies/music/etc. can actually cause more innocent-minded christians to stumble was a bit surprising to me. Still processing that. I think a lot of us need to. I don’t participate in those things, but I am surrounded by them day in and day out, so I just kinda compartmentalize it all and don’t allow it to affect my faith.

I think it’s awesome that God has restored that in you. J I have heard other people say this as well. I appreciate these things relationship-wise, but I know that it would be dangerous for me to return to the naivete of my youth, especially professionally. God is my strong tower, so I’ve learned to let Him have them and to protect me.

I don’t see movies that are blatantly intended to be sexual in nature, slasher movies where human gore is intended to have some sort of entertainment value (I’ve seen enough real gore to last a lifetime), or movies that promote the occult, etc., of course. And I don’t go places where I know I’m likely to get into trouble in about 5 minutes’ time, which is why I’m online so much now. :D But I HAVE become kinda crusty ole cop. Sooooo…I have bowed out of chat because I don’t want anything I might say to cause someone to stumble. It might not be a big deal to me, but it might be to them. I’m realizing that my being a quiet person is probably wiser than ever right now. Haha Maybe even a gift. J

Just something I want to give thought to…I have a feeling that I’m not the only one J
 
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Matthew

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I never realized before last night how easily the walks of some with the Lord can be affected by things I no longer even blink at. That may SOUND like a condescending thing to say, but my intent is the absolutely opposite.
I think at times we all encounter people who lack diplomacy in how they witness to others and in different ways it bothers us all. Back in the past it angered me and I would react harshly, and as you say Jullianna, it affected another persons progress in a negative way, and so I had failed completely, even though my motivation to was right a wrong or bring some knowledge etc.

I think the reclaiming of our own innocence is a hugely important step in maturing as a Christian and becoming an effective witness to others, it is important that we come to know the value of our own lives, most especially those times in the past when we didn't value what was in our lives.

Once we have that perspective our reactions to those who are where we used to be become tempered and show the love and patience that gets into the hearts of people, and that's when Christians can really get the important work done.
 
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Jullianna

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Exactly, Matthew. J Several times in scripture Paul talks about things that are PERMISSABLE, but wisdom dictates that he doesn’t do them in the presence of those who are newer/weaker in the faith because he doesn’t want them to misunderstand and stumble. He understood that, while so many times we think we “have the right to our opinions” and should be free to say/do whatever we like….do we really? We are the servants, not the Master, right? We are called to selfLESS love, not selFISH love. We’re going to stand accountable for everything we say one of these days, so when we have something to say, we need to measure it.

So many times we see people mocked and/or slammed for sharing their failings, hang ups, addictions, etc. But the scriptures say we are to confess these things to one another; so, actually, they are doing right by sharing them, no matter how silly others might judge such things. Would Jesus have told them they were stupid/foolish/get over it/etc.? Or say OH NO…not again (which I say to myself a lot, even if I don’t type it here). We need to grow in Jesus and measure our reactions to the things our siblings in Christ open their hearts to share with us and see these things as a cry for help/prayer.
 
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Matthew

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I think it comes down to a question of maturing generally in life, it is a watershed moment for a person when they realise that while they have the freedom to say something, it doesn't mean they necessarily should.

It is why I generally dislike the whole 'mega phone preaching' because it speaks to that lack of wisdom, and like you, I may not demonstrate it here in my posts, but I find it hugely frustrating and I have to call on that part on me that knows that in days gone by I was the same way, and that the person is just walking down thier own path at their own speed, and sometimes my only way to help is to let them carry on at thier own speed.
The failure to acknowledge the differential between Christians in their walks is so often the missing ingredient to effective witnessing, and it is a challenge that never goes away.


And on another note, Jullianna, you really must stop stealing my thoughts, otherwise I'll need to stop posting all together!
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Jullianna

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I recently got out of a 2 month relationship with a friend, who remains a friend.

It was her first.

It reminded me of being a child and the innocence of having a crush. That feeling of being genuinely in love with someone for their heart and their mind. (not that I was in love)

The first girl I ever fell madly in love with (broke my heart) walked through a parking garage with me and halfway to my car put her arm inside of mine. I have never ever felt such electric shock of being in love and being appreciated at the same time, in any relationship since.

Like Jullianna is eluding to, remembering what my innocence feels like is remembering the truth. The truth has no substitute. In spite of what "adults" say being in love and being young is more true than being an adult and worrying about money or sex or security or anything else.
Liamson, your sweet post brought back some very tender memories for me. J

A boy who was 3 years older waited patiently for me to turn 16, so my parents would allow me to date. We hadn’t gone very far down the highway, when he pulled over onto the shoulder of the road, stopped the truck, went around to my door, opened it, looked down, closed it, and went back around to get back in the truck. I was puzzled, so I asked him what was up. He laughed and said that he just wanted to make sure that my dress was not stuck in the door. It took me a few seconds to understand that he was saying that he wanted me to sit next to him. J I was very shy back then.

My husband and I were friends for awhile before we dated. He was very young looking, so it was a long time before I found out that he was 10 years older. But the day came when he took my hand, told me that he had grown “very fond of me”, and that he wanted my permission to ask my dad if I could date him because he fully intended to marry me. J

These moments are treasures we can carry with us always to remind us of more innocent times.
 
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Innocence can be overrated.

Was Paul innocent? (he tortured and killed christians) Was Moses innocent? (he killed an egyptian and fled to the desert) Was David innocent? (he committed adultery and had his mistress's husband killed) Was Job innocent? (Ok yea, Job was innocent ;p). The point is that the innocence that REALLY matters is the innocence that results from the strive to always do what is good, to care for those who are in need, and to serve the Lord with a humble heart.
 
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(....continued, because CC wouldn't let me edit (arghhh))

...And in that respect, you (Jullianna) measure up quite well!

"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves." - Matthew 10:16 NIV
 
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Catlynn

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I think that innocence is more a condition of the heart and mind. I know that in deed, I am far from innocent. But God has purified my heart and mind.
I'm not saying that I would go back to being naive and youthful...because I've learned SO much through it all, just that I want for my entire being to be in tune with God. :D
Something someone said about freedom and keeping others' innocence safe reminded me of Galatians 5:13 (my fav verse) "You were called to freedom, brethren, only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh but in LOVE serve one another."
 
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Jullianna

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This reminds me of the scene in The Outsiders where Ponyboy recites the poem by Robert Frost "Nothing Gold Can Stay", and the ending of the movie where...(oh nevermind, I don't want to spoil it for anyone)

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwJ-ppxCGPk[/video]
Loved this btw :) Huge Robert Frost fan. Have The Road Not Taken memorized :)
 
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Jullianna

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(....continued, because CC wouldn't let me edit (arghhh))

...And in that respect, you (Jullianna) measure up quite well!

"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves." - Matthew 10:16 NIV

Thanks, Gabe, I appreciate that. :) I've probably beaten myself up more than was called for, but I tend to do that. It's a OCD thing. haha But I can't measure myself against others. I have to measure myself against Christ, you know?

Paul even said this about himself in I Timothy:

12 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service. 13 Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 14 The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. 16 But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

While we are now under grace, not condemnation (Romans 8:1), we have to recognize that any good in us is entirely God's doing, right? :) And the process is ongoing....
 
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Jullianna

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I think that innocence is more a condition of the heart and mind. I know that in deed, I am far from innocent. But God has purified my heart and mind.
I'm not saying that I would go back to being naive and youthful...because I've learned SO much through it all, just that I want for my entire being to be in tune with God. :D
Something someone said about freedom and keeping others' innocence safe reminded me of Galatians 5:13 (my fav verse) "You were called to freedom, brethren, only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh but in LOVE serve one another."
AMEN, Catlynn!!! That's what I'm talking about! Serving one another in LOVE. :)
 
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Loved this btw :) Huge Robert Frost fan. Have The Road Not Taken memorized :)
I guess I have to start reading Frost now. I mean you seem to like a lot of things I like and I don't know anything about Frost except that I had to read him for some english class eons ago.
 
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jimsun

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Thank you Julianna for a quite "priceless" & thought - provoking post.
Slochan leat.
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