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Jullianna

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This is sort of an open letter of gratitude to Ritter. :)

God has used something Ritter said recently to make some amazing changes in my life, beginning today. :) The word was "quixotic". Ritter used it in a romantic sense, but it immediately stuck in my mind as to how I have often viewed my role as a christian in these ways:

1. It bothers me that everyone I witness to doesn't come to know the Lord right away. I'm forgetting that it was GOD who put them on my heart in the first place and it's the HOLY SPIRIT who is wooing them and softening their hearts. He who began the work will be FAITHFUL TO COMPLETE IT, right?

2. When people sit around pointing fingers at the Church and use the word "YOU" as if every single one of us is responsible and accountable for every single thing that every single christian (even those who use the moniker, but know nothing of the Spirit thereof) ever born has done, some of us feel as though we need to whip out the SUPERCHRISTIAN cape and excuse, explain or right every wrong. I've been thinking about that and, as far as I can see in scripture, the Lord only holds me accountable for my own actions AND IN-ACTIONS. (James 14:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.) But, the Lord has clearly shown me that oftentimes the fingerpointers are those who want to whine, sit back on their haunches and attempt to bully the rest of us into taking up the slack for them. Matthew 25 tells me that this is not God's plan, so I need to leave this sort of time-wasting, distracting thought process in the dust and see it for the evil tool against the Kingdom that it is.

3. We all have our gifts and callings. Some of us get the idea that we have to try to write cards to every single person in our churches who need to be encouraged, call everyone we didn't see at church to make sure they are okay, spearhead every fundraiser, be the first to volunteer with every charitable or church project, teach as many classes as we can, attend as many Bible studies as possible, listen to every problem/gripe every friend/co-worker/stranger on the street (or in a chat forum)/relative we have has until our prayer lists become so long we can't even remember the need, blah...blah...blah. I know some of you know exactly what I'm talking about. :) The end result: BURN OUT. We become ineffective and nearly braindead (AND EVEN DANGEROUSLY GRUMPY HAHA) because we're down to 2-3 hours of sleep per night because we've been out tilting too many windmills God didn't put in our path. We are NOT called to EVERYTHING. I think I need to write THAT on my forehead. :)

So, thanks, Ritter, for the word. Perhaps now we can all understand why every word that comes out of our mouths is so very important to God and why we're accountable for them, huh?

For those of you out there like me I would say, yes...it's important for us to be the change we want to see in the world, but we are the Body of Christ, not one man bands. If we don't learn that, we might become so discouraged one day that all the world will hear will be our clanging cymbals.....and we know what the Word says about those....

Don't fall into the trap, beloved ones :)
 

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This is sort of an open letter of gratitude to Ritter. :)

God has used something Ritter said recently to make some amazing changes in my life, beginning today. :) The word was "quixotic". Ritter used it in a romantic sense, but it immediately stuck in my mind as to how I have often viewed my role as a christian in these ways:

1. It bothers me that everyone I witness to doesn't come to know the Lord right away. I'm forgetting that it was GOD who put them on my heart in the first place and it's the HOLY SPIRIT who is wooing them and softening their hearts. He who began the work will be FAITHFUL TO COMPLETE IT, right?

2. When people sit around pointing fingers at the Church and use the word "YOU" as if every single one of us is responsible and accountable for every single thing that every single christian (even those who use the moniker, but know nothing of the Spirit thereof) ever born has done, some of us feel as though we need to whip out the SUPERCHRISTIAN cape and excuse, explain or right every wrong. I've been thinking about that and, as far as I can see in scripture, the Lord only holds me accountable for my own actions AND IN-ACTIONS. (James 14:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.) But, the Lord has clearly shown me that oftentimes the fingerpointers are those who want to whine, sit back on their haunches and attempt to bully the rest of us into taking up the slack for them. Matthew 25 tells me that this is not God's plan, so I need to leave this sort of time-wasting, distracting thought process in the dust and see it for the evil tool against the Kingdom that it is.

3. We all have our gifts and callings. Some of us get the idea that we have to try to write cards to every single person in our churches who need to be encouraged, call everyone we didn't see at church to make sure they are okay, spearhead every fundraiser, be the first to volunteer with every charitable or church project, teach as many classes as we can, attend as many Bible studies as possible, listen to every problem/gripe every friend/co-worker/stranger on the street (or in a chat forum)/relative we have has until our prayer lists become so long we can't even remember the need, blah...blah...blah. I know some of you know exactly what I'm talking about. :) The end result: BURN OUT. We become ineffective and nearly braindead (AND EVEN DANGEROUSLY GRUMPY HAHA) because we're down to 2-3 hours of sleep per night because we've been out tilting too many windmills God didn't put in our path. We are NOT called to EVERYTHING. I think I need to write THAT on my forehead. :)

So, thanks, Ritter, for the word. Perhaps now we can all understand why every word that comes out of our mouths is so very important to God and why we're accountable for them, huh?

For those of you out there like me I would say, yes...it's important for us to be the change we want to see in the world, but we are the Body of Christ, not one man bands. If we don't learn that, we might become so discouraged one day that all the world will hear will be our clanging cymbals.....and we know what the Word says about those....

Don't fall into the trap, beloved ones :)
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We just have to follow God wherever He leads, when we are doing things in the church that are not right, if you really listen God will tell you to go. Really listen. Then He will say it's time to move on, just as Ecclessiates says, 'There is a time and place for everything.' Seasons for everything in our life is what that is saying. God wants our years to be blessed with beautiful things from the seasons despite the time of year-winter, spring, summer, fall.

The Lord leads. He's led me to teach kids soccer camps, I loved it, and, I am trying to be humble here, I was good at it, I was who camp director called on to keep restless kids sitting on the grass the half hour they were supposed to AFTER having eaten lunch the first half hour. I told them many funny, some scary, stories. I did it. The Lord led it true. Who knows, my life has been with God since I told him at age 15 I was not going anywhere my entire life. Keep me with you. But....I fell, backslid, must have, or , I am POSITIVE, some of those stories I told the soccer camp kids would have been bible stories like 'Joseph And The Coat Of Many Colors,' David And Goliath,' 'Sampson And Delilah, and others. But I did not, not one :(

So I LOVED camp, teaching them soccer too, setting up games, FUN, FUN, FUN too, seeing them learn :)
I was needing to move on after two full summers of doing this, and, I didn't want to but it was distinct from God to do it. I did. God did it. I can give countless examples-like I am sure you can of
'seasons' in your life that God provided.

With God, it's all good, the stay, the move, the journey :)
God bless you.

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And, Zere, interesting, Don Quixote, I didn't realize he was the one the term 'quixotic' was made after. Most interesting. Most me :D I am glad you said I was Don Quixote, 'but in a good way.' I am probably, truth be told, Don Quixote in a bad way too, because I often, and, others, think I am reaching after unreachable goals . I want to buy property of dad's and he doesn't think I have the $$ . But I am working hard and been blessed financially last year and praying God will make it come true. You can pray for that too :)
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Here is the definition of quixotic for those not knowing and it is maybe not 'Oxford English,' so to speak, based on Don Quixote (the great american novel) but one 'google' search said the words 'befitting of Don Quixote.'

quix·ot·ic

adj \kwik-ˈsä-tik\








Definition of QUIXOTIC

1
: foolishly impractical especially in the pursuit of ideals; especially : marked by rash lofty romantic ideas or extravagantly chivalrous action

2
: capricious, unpredictable

— quix·ot·i·cal \-ti-kəl\ adjective
— quix·ot·i·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb

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  1. They had quixotic dreams about the future.
  2. <in this age of giant chain stores, any attempt at operating an independent bookstore must be regarded as quixotic>
  3. In &#8230; an earnest book-length essay of neo-Victorian public-mindedness that deplores the &#8220;nasty, knowing abuse&#8221; that the author would have us fear contaminates too much American humor lately, David Denby, a movie critic for The New Yorker, sets for himself what has to be one of the most quixotic projects that a moral reformer can undertake. &#8212;Walter Kirn, New York Times Book Review, 22 Feb. 2009
 
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This is sort of an open letter of gratitude to Ritter. :)

God has used something Ritter said recently to make some amazing changes in my life, beginning today. :) The word was "quixotic". Ritter used it in a romantic sense, but it immediately stuck in my mind as to how I have often viewed my role as a christian in these ways:

1. It bothers me that everyone I witness to doesn't come to know the Lord right away. I'm forgetting that it was GOD who put them on my heart in the first place and it's the HOLY SPIRIT who is wooing them and softening their hearts. He who began the work will be FAITHFUL TO COMPLETE IT, right?

2. When people sit around pointing fingers at the Church and use the word "YOU" as if every single one of us is responsible and accountable for every single thing that every single christian (even those who use the moniker, but know nothing of the Spirit thereof) ever born has done, some of us feel as though we need to whip out the SUPERCHRISTIAN cape and excuse, explain or right every wrong. I've been thinking about that and, as far as I can see in scripture, the Lord only holds me accountable for my own actions AND IN-ACTIONS. (James 14:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.) But, the Lord has clearly shown me that oftentimes the fingerpointers are those who want to whine, sit back on their haunches and attempt to bully the rest of us into taking up the slack for them. Matthew 25 tells me that this is not God's plan, so I need to leave this sort of time-wasting, distracting thought process in the dust and see it for the evil tool against the Kingdom that it is.

3. We all have our gifts and callings. Some of us get the idea that we have to try to write cards to every single person in our churches who need to be encouraged, call everyone we didn't see at church to make sure they are okay, spearhead every fundraiser, be the first to volunteer with every charitable or church project, teach as many classes as we can, attend as many Bible studies as possible, listen to every problem/gripe every friend/co-worker/stranger on the street (or in a chat forum)/relative we have has until our prayer lists become so long we can't even remember the need, blah...blah...blah. I know some of you know exactly what I'm talking about. :) The end result: BURN OUT. We become ineffective and nearly braindead (AND EVEN DANGEROUSLY GRUMPY HAHA) because we're down to 2-3 hours of sleep per night because we've been out tilting too many windmills God didn't put in our path. We are NOT called to EVERYTHING. I think I need to write THAT on my forehead. :)

So, thanks, Ritter, for the word. Perhaps now we can all understand why every word that comes out of our mouths is so very important to God and why we're accountable for them, huh?

For those of you out there like me I would say, yes...it's important for us to be the change we want to see in the world, but we are the Body of Christ, not one man bands. If we don't learn that, we might become so discouraged one day that all the world will hear will be our clanging cymbals.....and we know what the Word says about those....

Don't fall into the trap, beloved ones :)
Lol this was a good read. Well done Jullianna. I might have to hire you to write things for me, your stuff is always so well-phrased and put together haha. Also, I love the signature. That is one of my favorite Rich Mullins/Jars of Clay songs.
 
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Jullianna

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Thank you. :) And Mullins is an alltime favorite of mine too :)
 

niceguyJ

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Awesome thread. Thank you! That does hit home.
Also, yay Rich Mullins. What a great songwriter, musician, and interesting guy. Not only do I like his music, I love his writing. I have a devotional book with his stuff in it, plus An Arrow Pointing to Heaven (written by Smith I believe) that has lots of his quotes, etc. Great stuff.
Some of that stuff can be read for free at:
Rich Mullins - Calling Out Your Name
Release Magazine articles, etc. in case you guys/gals haven't seen that site before. :)
 
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lol.... can't say I agree with this post, particularly point #2. My experiences with present day churches and christian groups is that they themselves like to point the finger at people.If someone wants to do that, then so be it, pointing the finger right back is fine by me.

I will defend the churches from attacks such as bogus claims regarding blaming the church for such things as the crusades or the holocaust BUT when it comes to modern day events, attitudes, and rules I don't see why I can't take the church to task. Further, as there are obviously people within these churches eager to follow their church leaders, if people are out there arguing the same things as their church, well then they can easily be lumped in with their church.

As I understand it, in fact, this post was partially written for me personally as a general rebuke as some apparently were unable to respond to my concerns, complaints, and the flat out calling out of various church ideas and principles. If you cannot separate the bible from man made political correctness inserted into churches by left wing political movements, then in a christian chat forum you are bound to get called out on your beliefs early and often by those that actually read the bible.
 
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Jullianna

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That's cute, Gabe :)

I can't begin to tell you how much this revelation from God has set my spirit free. It's been life changing. :)

Persecuted, if God used you to be a part of that positive change in my life, I suppose I should thank you too. So, thank you. :) God bless you and I'm still praying for you. :)
 
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3. We all have our gifts and callings. Some of us get the idea that we have to try to write cards to every single person in our churches who need to be encouraged, call everyone we didn't see at church to make sure they are okay, spearhead every fundraiser, be the first to volunteer with every charitable or church project, teach as many classes as we can, attend as many Bible studies as possible, listen to every problem/gripe every friend/co-worker/stranger on the street (or in a chat forum)/relative we have has until our prayer lists become so long we can't even remember the need, blah...blah...blah. I know some of you know exactly what I'm talking about. :) The end result: BURN OUT. We become ineffective and nearly braindead (AND EVEN DANGEROUSLY GRUMPY HAHA) because we're down to 2-3 hours of sleep per night because we've been out tilting too many windmills God didn't put in our path. We are NOT called to EVERYTHING. I think I need to write THAT on my forehead. :)

I had to learn this as well, and I think you and I are probably much alike in person. Active, go go go types. But I am not meant to have every spatula in every fire and got my hand spanked hard. I have seen burnt out in people and felt it myself. It makes you less compassionate because you have been there done that.

I am glad you are feeling light. This is definitely something that has to be touched on by different people in different ways, but it is so freeing to know that I personally am not responsible for saving the world. Because I know I sure felt that way. :)


 
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Cabbage

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Well, we can't get too caught up in doing everything because many times we are stealing the blessings of others. If God is trying to use someone else and we jump in, then we may have caught off the blessings or the miracles God was trying to work.
 
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Jullianna

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I agree, Cabbage. It's tough to allow others to serve us, but we really do steal a blessing from them if we don't. And Peter didn't want Jesus to wash his feet, but Jesus taught him the importance of it. :)

My pastor is beginning a series on the life of Christ, since we're supposed to be following Him, not one another. He said that we might be surprised at what we found. I've been reading the New Testament and he's absolutely right. We take things upon ourselves that Jesus never meant for us to carry:

Matthew 11:30 - For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

1 John 5:3 - This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome

We don't withdraw oftentimes as we should and allow ourselves and our spirits the rest they need. He withdrew to the wilderness, He withdrew from the crowds several times, He withdrew from the disciples for prayer time, etc.

And we put up with junk from people that Jesus did not.

Matthew 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.

Not only that, but He specifically told us NOT to put up with those who dealt with us mockingly/sarcastically/in a manner that denied godly counsel.

Matthew 7:6 Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

Mark 6:11 And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them.

Matthew 10:13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you.


We read about Him wanting us to love Him and one another, and to do all that we do in love.

John 15:12 - My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

But, I'm learning that it's suppose to be reciprocal (the "each other" part) and that there's such a thing as tough love.

I find myself wondering if part of the reason that the Church is not as effective as it could be is that we try to be the mushy Jesus we THINK He is rather than allowing Him to make us more like Who He really is. I think this series is going to be quite an eyeopener for me. It sure has been so far. :)
 
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Jullianna

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This one is cute too :)
 

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Idk, to me thats more disturbing than cute :)
 
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I agree, Cabbage. It's tough to allow others to serve us, but we really do steal a blessing from them if we don't. And Peter didn't want Jesus to wash his feet, but Jesus taught him the importance of it. :)

My pastor is beginning a series on the life of Christ, since we're supposed to be following Him, not one another. He said that we might be surprised at what we found. I've been reading the New Testament and he's absolutely right. We take things upon ourselves that Jesus never meant for us to carry:

Matthew 11:30 - For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

1 John 5:3 - This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome

We don't withdraw oftentimes as we should and allow ourselves and our spirits the rest they need. He withdrew to the wilderness, He withdrew from the crowds several times, He withdrew from the disciples for prayer time, etc.

And we put up with junk from people that Jesus did not.

Matthew 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.

Not only that, but He specifically told us NOT to put up with those who dealt with us mockingly/sarcastically/in a manner that denied godly counsel.

Matthew 7:6 Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

Mark 6:11 And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them.

Matthew 10:13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you.


We read about Him wanting us to love Him and one another, and to do all that we do in love.

John 15:12 - My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

But, I'm learning that it's suppose to be reciprocal (the "each other" part) and that there's such a thing as tough love.

I find myself wondering if part of the reason that the Church is not as effective as it could be is that we try to be the mushy Jesus we THINK He is rather than allowing Him to make us more like Who He really is. I think this series is going to be quite an eyeopener for me. It sure has been so far. :)
This has gotta be the most interesting post yet on christian chat in my time on here. Why? Because you've said I have caused problems for you with my "rants" against churches and yet if I went to a church with a message like this, it would actually be WORTH going back to. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Canadian churches completely reject Matthew 7:6, Mark 6:11, and Matthew 10:13 with a wishy washy selective all encompassing interpretation of "thou shall not judge." You may disagree but your post in its entirety sums up why I think churches that are presently acting as nothing more than financial clearing houses to redistribute wealth from groups to other groups with massive attempts at guilt to extract the money in the first place are not true churches but rather socialistic manipulators acting outside of the concept of "the body of Christ" regardless of what they claim to be.

I'm always mindful that generations of missionairies have already traversed the globe to all corners of the earth and that Mark 6:11 must by now have a major baring to both individuals and entire nations regarding the acceptance of the Christ and his standards for living. Hope my claims of agreement don't cause you more problems.
 
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Jullianna

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Your rants haven't caused anyone any problems but you. :) They simply cause me to stop reading after a line or two. My world didn't stop turning or anything. :) Not a subject I really wanna go back too, so let's move on, shall we?

THIS was my point when I said that maybe you needed to find another church. :) Not all churches are social clubs. Not all "christians" are muppets. Some of us truly want to learn and follow Christ. And some pastors/teachers actually want to help us do that.

Judging is a thin line to walk with a high accountability factor. I'd rather show mercy, but I have no issue with speaking the truth and letting the chips fall where they may.