Singles & the church

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thimsrebma

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Allow me to rephrase since it was not my intention to discredit the Barna Group whose studies I know are well regarded. Let us say that this is a case of misunderstanding or misinterpreting statistics. When only a small proportion of singles are involved in churches then it is reasonable to assume that only a small portion of singles would be practicing behaviors commonly associated with being part of a faith community. This does not however give us conclusive evidence that those singles involved in a faith community are any less likely than married couples or families to perform those behaviors, we would need a study limited to only church goers to get that information.

Thank you Cinder. What is the point of studying a group of people if the study is not applicable to a large percentage of those people. Why would agnostics and atheist even be polled in a study about tithing? Many people under 25, single or married are more in the college age range and have almost no money. When you look at the single demographics in a church, it is likely to be a diverse group; young, retired, middle aged, never been married, divorced, widowed, etc.

From what I have witnessed this diverse group of people are tithing(I used to count tithe and offering) and are participatory (the singles and young adults serve at nearly every function). Yet, they have no programs that cater to their needs.

I am not suggesting that it is harder to be single than married, which someone implied earlier in the post, but why would the church leave an entire demographic out when designing programs and activities? Though our lives may seem less stressful and we may have more time, it doesn't mean that we do not have needs that the church should the ability to meet.
 
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keep_on_smiling

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I actually don't see why churches should group people into groups, whether it is having a singles group or a married group, whatever it may be. I understand people wanting to connect and relate with those in similar situations and can see how it may benefit some people.

I've benefited greatly from being able to fellowship with people in my age rage, those who are older, some married, some single. We all love Christ and we all learn from each other. If there is something that shouldn't be discussed with certain people, I meet with the pastor and his wife, or I talk with someone I trust.

So I guess, I can't really relate. If there were a singles group at my church, I most likely wouldn't be involved.
 
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Not at my church yet I feel alone and out of place because everyone is way older than me LOL like at least 15 years older.
 
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Not at my church yet I feel alone and out of place because everyone is way older than me LOL like at least 15 years older.
That's my deal, sis. Everyone is either 10-15 years older or 15+ years younger.
 
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That's my deal, sis. Everyone is either 10-15 years older or 15+ years younger.
Oh!!! That makes me feel better bro :D Seriously, lol it does. The person @ my church closest to my age is 36? Everyone else after her is in their 50's and 60's.
 
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Some churches neglect Christian singles especially singles over 40. There are not many places for them to fellowship and not everyone gets married.
 
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UpstateNYChristianBro

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I am glad this subject is brought up. I noticed churches in the late 1980's and 1990's around my hometown were starting to have singles ministries. I went to many activities at various of churches to enjoy fellowship.. some had coffeehouse style events, some had games such as board and card games.. my old church I used to go to has a singles ministry (large Baptist) and they usually play volleyball. I was not into that. But most of those members are/were very athletic. None of them were my types. And I was more outcasted because of my deafness. They all are hearing. The Deaf ministry I was part of has many singles but there were no singles for the Deaf ministry at all. Too small! About six to ten of us. However, at the time I was there, three seniors (all has long since passed away), four singles men but no singles females except for two are older women with children and was seeing someone else (one was married but divorced for a good reason). But they were not our age (the single men including myself). It was totally out of balance in the Deaf Ministry.

As 2000's approached and beyond, many churches dropped singles ministry and many singles left. I noticed several reasons for this problem. Churches that dropped are very family oriented and because of their doctrines which I disagree say that they want to focus on everyone, not groups. Hard for me to explain. Many of you got answers correct. Family oriented, but also like many singles and married in here in this site say, "Oh wait on the LORD!" "Pray to the Lord and the right one will come along but focus on the Lord" Since I am way smart and heard this too many times really tells me differently. What they really mean is "forget them, only must you focus on the Lord!!" Ok, yes, we all must focus on God first then someone else. That is what they are saying. They do not want to fix you up with someone. They do not want to help you at all. No encouragements that the singles want to hear. This is why many singles left as I noticed through out the 90s. That is why I could not find anybody in church. I found my ex wife IN a singles dance that is not affiliated with any denomination. The singles dance according to my sweet friend who has been with the Lord since 2004 said that he surveyed the singles dance attendees and found that about 85 to 90 percent of those regularly attended the single dances ARE Christian singles! Many are faithful since I recalled many including my best friend passed away were talking about God at the dances! See? That was church right there.. Jesus said in the Bible that a church is not a building. Right? You all think that way. Stop it. Think of fellowshipping with other believers and that is church, period.

Churches today need to stop too family focused. Maybe they misinterpreted what family oriented. They need to think everyone IS one family including singles. But churches today misinterpreted that the family oriented meant many couples who are married and have children are what they described. It is an error.

Your advantage as a single is.. you need to show churches the proper way of what family oriented mean.. what I just described. Show them the proper way. Show them they need to show God's love for the singles.

Many churches do not use the word, singles and there is no singles ministry.. They are aliening the singles like we say we do not want the illegals in our country. That is exactly the same attitude which needs to stop.

I am not a physiologist or a dating expert like any of those authors but I can see for myself by observation that I can see from the singles' point of view that they see churches have no singles ministries means they are unwanted. The singles are not misunderstanding. I understood where they are coming from. Please listen to what I am going to say. Singles do feel unwanted and they do feel lonely. They want to have activities and be able to meet other potential mates. I know churches are not dating services like this site! But God said in bible very clearly churches are the place to meet someone. He did not say it clearly. but it is there.. Example, a man find his wife receive good favor in the Lord. How?? A single man attending church can find his mate there! And God describe what a woman should be as found in Prov. 31. God even allow long distance (Genesis 24) and show you how to pray!! I did this and I received clues who my bride is!

Churches need to have singles ministries again with a new focus: comfort those singles who are so lonely and share with God's word and allow each other to find each other with that encouragement so they can marry! Churches are trying to throw down throats as I saw they want people to remain unmarried. Wrong!! If God gives you desire to marry, listen to God. If not, focus on God entirely! Paul wrote that.

And the women I met at churches' singles ministries were giving me rejections by saying, "Hmm. Wait on the Lord" That line really means, "NO, I do not like you so get out of my way!" I am not kidding. I am 49 so I know enough jokes.

Another thing, pastors are usually married and pastors forgets his former life as a single person. Pastors perhaps were told by their wives not to set up singles ministries because wives will think their pastor husband might cheat! Silly! I know so because when I got married, my wife said no singles ministries, no singles dating, no this or that. I understood why.

That is another problem. I know because I am Deaf and the Deaf prefer Deaf pastors than Hearing pastors to preach God's word. Singles want pastors who are singles as well. Someone on the same level. Singles feel they are inferiors to the married counterparts.

I know you will have harsh words on me. Please keep that to yourself. Please think about it. I am a believer very different than most of you.
 
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Why not start a singles group at church yourselves? Even an "unofficial" group would be fun, and a GREAT way to make people feel welcome. If the church is small, just ask those your age to hang out and do fun stuff together. Play volleyball on Thursday evenings. Play tennis. Go bowling. There doesn't need to be a "singles ministry". YOU are the singles ministry. Take it and run with it. :)

My church is relatively small. We now have three (including myself) singles in their 30s at church, and one of those comes only sporadically. But we mingle great with the married people. We all do stuff together all the time. I just went on a 4 day trip with two other married couples, and didn't feel a bit out of place. There's no need to segregate ourselves in fellowship.
 
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My friend complains about this - and I told him - start a singles group yourself then - then he got real quiet and made excuses

Meetup.com - you have to pay but it's a good way to get it going
 
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UpstateNYChristianBro

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Why not start a singles group at church yourselves? Even an "unofficial" group would be fun, and a GREAT way to make people feel welcome. If the church is small, just ask those your age to hang out and do fun stuff together. Play volleyball on Thursday evenings. Play tennis. Go bowling. There doesn't need to be a "singles ministry". YOU are the singles ministry. Take it and run with it. :)

My church is relatively small. We now have three (including myself) singles in their 30s at church, and one of those comes only sporadically. But we mingle great with the married people. We all do stuff together all the time. I just went on a 4 day trip with two other married couples, and didn't feel a bit out of place. There's no need to segregate ourselves in fellowship.
GREAT idea! You know that Christian singles should do is to form groups like I did in past. I had my Christian singles group that was not part of a church at all. It was non-denomination and meet at dennys once a week for bible study. People came only when my best friend was there but it collapsed when no one was coming after his death. Strange but the point is.. its like meetup kind of thing. It works though!
 
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UpstateNYChristianBro

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My friend complains about this - and I told him - start a singles group yourself then - then he got real quiet and made excuses

Meetup.com - you have to pay but it's a good way to get it going
I didn't see this comment but already said mine. I mentioned something of sort like meetup. However, not need to use meetup. get word out. That is how I did it before meetup ever formed.
 
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GREAT idea! You know that Christian singles should do is to form groups like I did in past. I had my Christian singles group that was not part of a church at all. It was non-denomination and meet at dennys once a week for bible study. People came only when my best friend was there but it collapsed when no one was coming after his death. Strange but the point is.. its like meetup kind of thing. It works though!
There are some people who just seem to have the gift of drawing others in. I know people like that. They are constantly bringing friends to church or inviting them to church events, and people are just drawn to them. I wish I were like that! I'm sorry you lost your friend.
 
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this is why I stay away from organized religion. every single one seems to have some cliq/group thing and not in the cliq/group you just ain't welcome really.
 
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this is why I stay away from organized religion. every single one seems to have some cliq/group thing and not in the cliq/group you just ain't welcome really.
That's kind of like throwing the baby out with the bathwater when you think about it, though. A multitude of blessings passed by, because the church has human flaws. Better perhaps to join in and help fix the problems, making the church stronger for Christ.
 
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That's kind of like throwing the baby out with the bathwater when you think about it, though. A multitude of blessings passed by, because the church has human flaws. Better perhaps to join in and help fix the problems, making the church stronger for Christ.
been there done that I was shown the door, I said never again. Its not the only problem in Organized religion. Many churches chase the dollar and Don't do as they preach.
 
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been there done that I was shown the door, I said never again. Its not the only problem in Organized religion. Many churches chase the dollar and Don't do as they preach.
You were shown the door? O_O
 
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You were shown the door? O_O
Yep. Granted it was me calling them out on just chasing money. (Seriously if a churchs owns 3 buildings worth a few million, why would they NEED a 8 million dollar facility on the other side of a city "cough cough up the interstate from the "Bevery Hills" of the area, unless it was just to attract the big money people.) Oh and nothing was wrong with the buildings they had they were still pretty new. JUST made it a LONG drive for the rich people.
 
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Yep. Granted it was me calling them out on just chasing money. (Seriously if a churchs owns 3 buildings worth a few million, why would they NEED a 8 million dollar facility on the other side of a city "cough cough up the interstate from the "Bevery Hills" of the area, unless it was just to attract the big money people.) Oh and nothing was wrong with the buildings they had they were still pretty new. JUST made it a LONG drive for the rich people.
It is interesting that you chose a huge rich mega church to attend rather than a smaller, more intimate congregation.
 
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It is interesting that you chose a huge rich mega church to attend rather than a smaller, more intimate congregation.
when I 1st went there. it was a neighborhood church. They were actually real good in the neighborhood. then some new people ended up in the front office and the change started, to the point it was screw this neighborhood we have been in for over 100 years we need to get those rich people here.
 
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I have heard the start your own group idea before. I have tried to start a few groups at churches but there was no interest. You need to find the people who want to join the group and sometimes they live far away or out of state, but they are in the same boat.

They have no singles group at their church.