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Lynx

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Ev ree bod dee wans' to rule the world.
Aye, they play that song at w*rk. Every time it comes on I think, "Sounds like a lot of trouble. Who would want that kind of stress?"
 

Mem

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Aye, they play that song at w*rk. Every time it comes on I think, "Sounds like a lot of trouble. Who would want that kind of stress?"
There would have to be a How to Rule the World for Dummies written first, as there is a general ignorance of what ruling would require. It would definitely be one of the most inconvenient undertakings.
 

Socreta93

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People only complain about celebrities having political opinion when they disagree with said opinion. If they said something you agreed with, people wouldn't go "who cares what [inset celebrity here} thinks.
 

Pipp

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People only complain about celebrities having political opinion when they disagree with said opinion. If they said something you agreed with, people wouldn't go "who cares what [inset celebrity here} thinks.
Very true, they're not supposed to have an opinion unless they have the same opinion I do. ;)
 
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People only complain about celebrities having political opinion when they disagree with said opinion. If they said something you agreed with, people wouldn't go "who cares what [inset celebrity here} thinks.
This is a fair point. However, it would be nice if you could watch, say, the Oscars, without political preaching. Just focus on the movies and why they're being specially-recognized -- AND don't award movies because they try to socially engineer the country, but because they're good.
 

Socreta93

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This is a fair point. However, it would be nice if you could watch, say, the Oscars, without political preaching. Just focus on the movies and why they're being specially-recognized -- AND don't award movies because they try to socially engineer the country, but because they're good.
To play devils advocate, I can say the same if an awardee were to praise Trump or Desantis or praise Jesus in a genuine way. The right would eat it up and love them for it while others would be annoyed. Never ending cycle, people only get annoyed if it's am opinion they disagree with. I do agree kind of unnecessary to randomly talk a political stance at an awards show unless it's something REALLY important and relevant.
 

Subhumanoidal

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This is a fair point. However, it would be nice if you could watch, say, the Oscars, without political preaching. Just focus on the movies and why they're being specially-recognized -- AND don't award movies because they try to socially engineer the country, but because they're good.
Do such movies even exist anymore?
 

Mem

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Art tends to reflect reality; very rarely does it possess the necessary creativity to impactfully affect it but, that doesn't stop the actors from just pretending it will. After all, that is their skill.
For example, One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest might be considered impactful in closing down sanitoriums, but it really didn't do much to liberate anyone from the reality of insanity.
 

Lynx

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People will believe anything about any group...

This woman at w*rk asked me if I was a flat earther. This other woman she knows is a Pentecostal and for some reason believes the Earth is flat, so she made the assumption that all Pentecostals believe in flat Earth theory. :rolleyes:

I spent the rest of the day asking her if she believed different things like humans had three stomachs, our health is controlled by four different body fluids in balance, all these theories humans used to have. Hopefully I drove the message home that you can't assume things about what people believe.
 

shittim

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The unregenerate will likely believe anything, His Own however, will take all things to Him for His confirmation and guidance. He always speaks truth.
 

GaryA

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People will believe anything about any group...

This woman at w*rk asked me if I was a flat earther. This other woman she knows is a Pentecostal and for some reason believes the Earth is flat, so she made the assumption that all Pentecostals believe in flat Earth theory. :rolleyes:

I spent the rest of the day asking her if she believed different things like humans had three stomachs, our health is controlled by four different body fluids in balance, all these theories humans used to have. Hopefully I drove the message home that you can't assume things about what people believe.
It is also true that you shouldn't be quick to assume [various] things about someone just because they believe a certain thing - "they are weird" - "they are crazy" - "they are a conspiracy theory nut" - you know - stuff like that. You should learn to separate the person from the belief. You will find that many flat earth folks are just as down-to-earth-good-honest-folks as many others who believe the earth is a spinning ball flying through space. Contrary to popular opinion (heavily driven by the MSM), people who believe that "9/11 was an inside job" or that "we did not actually go to the moon" are just as much "common folk" as others who believe differently.

People will believe anything about any group...
Yep.

You are correct - people do it all the time - yet, the important question is...

Are you able to see it when it is you who is doing it?

Are you sure that you are willing to give each group a "fair hearing" before you make vast sweeping assumptions about everyone in that group?

At its base level - how you treat Pentecostal individuals should not be any different than how you treat Flat Earth individuals.

How you treat an individual should not be a mere reflection of how you treat the [central common idea/theme] of the group.

In other words, don't let yourself "superimpose" what you think about the [central common idea/theme] of the group onto any individual of the group arbitrarily.

"I think that idea is crazy - so, they must be crazy."

Remember the illustration in this passage of scripture:

James 2:

1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a individualgold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; 3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: 4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? 5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? 6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? 7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

If the man in [perceived] goodly apparel is the Ball Earth man and the man in [perceived] vile raiment is the Flat Earth man - will you treat them differently?

In my illustration given here (and, as seen by any who "judge"):

~ the 'goodly apparel' and the 'vile raiment' are the two different beliefs
~ the 'rich' are those who are "judged" to have the popular belief (Ball Earth)
~ the 'poor' are those who are "judged" to have the unpopular belief (Flat Earth)

(I know this is not a perfect illustration; however, you don't realize just how much it actually applies (verses 6-7) to those who 'control' the "modern science" views of the world that everyone is taught.)

Are you willing you judge and assume everything about that person based on his 'clothing'?

Don't conflate or confuse the individual with the group.

All kinds of folks believe all kinds of different things.
 

GaryA

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People will believe anything about any group...

This woman at w*rk asked me if I was a flat earther. This other woman she knows is a Pentecostal and for some reason believes the Earth is flat, so she made the assumption that all Pentecostals believe in flat Earth theory. :rolleyes:

I spent the rest of the day asking her if she believed different things like humans had three stomachs, our health is controlled by four different body fluids in balance, all these theories humans used to have. Hopefully I drove the message home that you can't assume things about what people believe.
BTW - I totally agree that the woman should not have assumed that all Pentecostals had a Flat Earth model viewpoint. On the other hand, did she actually assume this? If she assumed it, why would she ask you what "she already knew" by her assumption? Perhaps she was only trying to verify the proposition that Flat Earth was intrinsic to the Pentecostal group?

Did you assume that she assumed it? Or, did she actually tell you that she assumed it?

Do you see just how 'convoluted' assumption can be/get?

I could easily suggest that it is most likely that assumption is the leading cause of most of the error in the world.

However, it would be an assumption... :D ;)
 

Lynx

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It is also true that you shouldn't be quick to assume [various] things about someone just because they believe a certain thing - "they are weird" - "they are crazy" - "they are a conspiracy theory nut" - you know - stuff like that. You should learn to separate the person from the belief. You will find that many flat earth folks are just as down-to-earth-good-honest-folks as many others who believe the earth is a spinning ball flying through space. Contrary to popular opinion (heavily driven by the MSM), people who believe that "9/11 was an inside job" or that "we did not actually go to the moon" are just as much "common folk" as others who believe differently.


Yep.

You are correct - people do it all the time - yet, the important question is...

Are you able to see it when it is you who is doing it?

Are you sure that you are willing to give each group a "fair hearing" before you make vast sweeping assumptions about everyone in that group?

At its base level - how you treat Pentecostal individuals should not be any different than how you treat Flat Earth individuals.

How you treat an individual should not be a mere reflection of how you treat the [central common idea/theme] of the group.

In other words, don't let yourself "superimpose" what you think about the [central common idea/theme] of the group onto any individual of the group arbitrarily.

"I think that idea is crazy - so, they must be crazy."

Remember the illustration in this passage of scripture:

James 2:

1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a individualgold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; 3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: 4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? 5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? 6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? 7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

If the man in [perceived] goodly apparel is the Ball Earth man and the man in [perceived] vile raiment is the Flat Earth man - will you treat them differently?

In my illustration given here (and, as seen by any who "judge"):

~ the 'goodly apparel' and the 'vile raiment' are the two different beliefs
~ the 'rich' are those who are "judged" to have the popular belief (Ball Earth)
~ the 'poor' are those who are "judged" to have the unpopular belief (Flat Earth)

(I know this is not a perfect illustration; however, you don't realize just how much it actually applies (verses 6-7) to those who 'control' the "modern science" views of the world that everyone is taught.)

Are you willing you judge and assume everything about that person based on his 'clothing'?

Don't conflate or confuse the individual with the group.

All kinds of folks believe all kinds of different things.
You don't get out of it that easily. You will always be a conspiracy nut to me. :sneaky:
 

Lynx

Folksy yet erudite
Aug 13, 2014
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It is also true that you shouldn't be quick to assume [various] things about someone just because they believe a certain thing - "they are weird" - "they are crazy" - "they are a conspiracy theory nut" - you know - stuff like that. You should learn to separate the person from the belief. You will find that many flat earth folks are just as down-to-earth-good-honest-folks as many others who believe the earth is a spinning ball flying through space. Contrary to popular opinion (heavily driven by the MSM), people who believe that "9/11 was an inside job" or that "we did not actually go to the moon" are just as much "common folk" as others who believe differently.


Yep.

You are correct - people do it all the time - yet, the important question is...

Are you able to see it when it is you who is doing it?

Are you sure that you are willing to give each group a "fair hearing" before you make vast sweeping assumptions about everyone in that group?

At its base level - how you treat Pentecostal individuals should not be any different than how you treat Flat Earth individuals.

How you treat an individual should not be a mere reflection of how you treat the [central common idea/theme] of the group.

In other words, don't let yourself "superimpose" what you think about the [central common idea/theme] of the group onto any individual of the group arbitrarily.

"I think that idea is crazy - so, they must be crazy."

Remember the illustration in this passage of scripture:

James 2:

1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a individualgold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; 3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: 4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? 5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? 6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? 7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

If the man in [perceived] goodly apparel is the Ball Earth man and the man in [perceived] vile raiment is the Flat Earth man - will you treat them differently?

In my illustration given here (and, as seen by any who "judge"):

~ the 'goodly apparel' and the 'vile raiment' are the two different beliefs
~ the 'rich' are those who are "judged" to have the popular belief (Ball Earth)
~ the 'poor' are those who are "judged" to have the unpopular belief (Flat Earth)

(I know this is not a perfect illustration; however, you don't realize just how much it actually applies (verses 6-7) to those who 'control' the "modern science" views of the world that everyone is taught.)

Are you willing you judge and assume everything about that person based on his 'clothing'?

Don't conflate or confuse the individual with the group.

All kinds of folks believe all kinds of different things.
Joking aside, yes it is important to treat an individual as an individual. I don't talk to Moses Young anything like I would talk to somebody who came in, blasted his opinions about flat Earth theory and ignored all disagreement.
 

Socreta93

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Everytime politics is discussed, I feel people forget this bible verse:

Luke 6:27-30
“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also."

Be nice to each other for goodness sakes