dinosaurs

[SonOfAdam]

The dinosaurs and all of the animals (including neanderthals, in my opinion) were created on the fifth day:

And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky."
Genesis 1:20 NIV

Some were sea and air dinosaurs, but all the land animals were created on day 6, hours before Man

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Neanderthal was actually more human than we are compared to the apes - genetically speaking (see answersingenesis and look at his mDNA). He was simply one of the groups that split off at Babel. So neanderthal counts as Man.

 

[jimmydiggs]

The universe is about 15 billion years old. The Earth is about 5 billion years old. Dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago. Humans and dinosaurs never coexisted. These are scientific facts, backed by mountains of conclusive data and evidence, and completely irrefutable. To claim otherwise is horridly absurd.

However, God created the universe, the Earth, and mankind in a six-day period. An obvious contradiction to the scientific record, but the teaching of scripture and therefore true nonetheless. While it's clearly a contradiction to the human mind, that's only a problem to those who mistakenly make it a problem. Our understanding is nothing compared to the Lord.

Woah woah woah, aren't you contradicting yourself?


Young Earth = Absurd, science conflicts with scripture, must accept science anyway.


Evidence says universe not created by God, science conflicts with scripture, must accept scripture.


I'm confused? Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying, but it seems like in one place you are refusing to accept scriptrue because of "science", but instead later choose to accept scripture despite "science". So are we picking and choosing now?







Anyway, onto your most important statement.

The universe is about 15 billion years old. The Earth is about 5 billion years old. Dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago. Humans and dinosaurs never coexisted. These are scientific facts, backed by mountains of conclusive data and evidence, and completely irrefutable. To claim otherwise is horridly absurd.

This goes through many of the scriptural claims old-earthers make.

Young-earth creationists believe that the creation days of Genesis 1 were six literal (24-hour) days, which occurred 6,000–12,000 years ago.1 They believe that about 2,300–3,300 years before Christ, the surface of the earth was radically rearranged by Noah’s Flood. All land animals and birds not in Noah’s Ark (along with many sea creatures) perished, many of which were subsequently buried in the Flood sediments. Therefore, creationists believe that the global, catastrophic Flood was responsible for most (but not all) of the rock layers and fossils (i.e., some rock layers and possibly some fossils were deposited before the Flood, while other layers and fossils were produced in postdiluvian localized catastrophic sedimentation events or processes).

Young-Earth Creationist View Summarized And Defended - Answers in Genesis

Everything in the bible relies on Genesis being accurate.

Rooted in Genesis


All biblical doctrines, including the gospel itself, are ultimately rooted in the first book of the Bible.

• God specially created everything in heaven and earth (Genesis 1:1).
• God uniquely created man and woman in His image (Genesis 1:26–27).
• Marriage consists of one man and one woman for life (Genesis 2:24).
• The first man and woman brought sin into the world (Genesis 3:1–24).
• From the beginning God promised a Messiah to save us (Genesis 3:15).
• Death and suffering arose because of original sin (Genesis 3:16–19).
• God sets society’s standards of right and wrong (Genesis 6:5–6).
• The ultimate purpose of life is to walk with God (Genesis 6:9–10).
• All people belong to one race—the human race (Genesis 11:1–9).

Does the Gospel Depend on a Young Earth? - Answers in Genesis

The following is about radiometric dating.

RATE is an acronym applied to a research project investigating radioisotope dating sponsored by the Institute for Creation Research and the Creation Research Society. It stands for Radioisotopes and the Age of The Earth. This article summarizes the purpose, history, and intermediate findings of the RATE project five years into an eight-year effort. It reports on the latest status of the research on helium diffusion through minerals in granitic rock, accelerated nuclear decay theory, radiohalos, isochron discordance studies, case studies in rock dating, and carbon-14 in deep geologic strata. Each of the RATE scientists will present separate technical papers at the Fifth International Conference on Creationism on the details of this research.

Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth - Answers in Genesis

Radiometric dating was the culminating factor that led to the belief in billions of years for earth history. However, radiometric dating methods are not the only uniformitarian methods. Any radiometric dating model or other uniformitarian dating method can and does have problems as referenced before (Reference 16). All uniformitarian dating methods make assumptions. The assumptions related to radiometric dating can be seen in these questions:

1. Initial amounts?
2. Was any parent amount added?
3. Was any daughter amount added?
4. Was any parent amount removed?
5. Was any daughter amount removed?
6. Has the rate changed?

If the assumptions are truly accurate, then uniformitarian dates should agree with radiometric dating across the board for the same event. However, radiometric dates often disagree with dates obtained from other uniformitarian dating methods for the age of the earth, such as the influx of salts into the ocean, the rate of decay of the earth’s magnetic field, the growth rate of human population, etc.18
Henry Morris accumulated a list of 68 uniformitarian estimates for the age of the earth by Christian and secular sources.19 The current accepted age of the earth is about 4.54 billion years based on radiometric dating meteorites,20 so keep this in mind when viewing Table 6.


Table 6

How old is the earth? - Answers in Genesis

Just some simple Young Earth evidences.

Without millions and billions of years, evolutionary history completely falls apart. Here are just a few of many credible evidences from various branches of science that tell of a world much younger than evolutionists claim.

Evidences of a Young Earth - Answers in Genesis

Evidence from Astronomy

15 Evidences for the Age of the Universe

This page will link you to the articles below which provide 15 different evidences from astronomy that indicate that the universe is young. The prevailing evolutionary theories and belief systems simply cannot provide plausible explanations for these evidences. The only complete worldview that satisfies the implications of these evidences is a complete Biblical worldview which asserts that the universe is approximately 6,000 years old.

4th Day Alliance | Creationism, Creation Science, and Creation Astronomy | 15 Evidences for the Age of the Universe

I could put more, but as I was typing another challenge appeared elsewhere.


I didn't plan on getting too far into this. Hopefully I won't have to make too many posts, this stuff tends to attract unwanted attention.

 

[SonOfAdam]

I do love the rock dating stuff... I'm in New Zealand and I frequently use the NZ example to show how messed up "accepted" dating methods really are. People who are still alive saw this stuff happening and yet it is supposed to be 3,300,000 years old. And that's the RULE not the exception.

 

[trust_in_the_name]

Woah woah woah, aren't you contradicting yourself?

Yes, my whole point is that I'm contradicting myself. While I know that scripture is true and that therefore creation occured in six days, I also must to at least some degree take into account the observations mankind has made directly through our senses (which, after all, God has provided for us), and I find that the six-day account of creation is not scientifically credible.

This leaves me in a bit of a conundrum, which is why I reference Proverbs 3:5, Isaiah 55:8-9, Romans 11:33, and similar ideas which suggest that our own understanding, due to its limited nature, will sometimes be at odds with that of the Lord, who is able to understand things on a level beyond our ability to even contemplate.

That leaves two options.

One, the universe was created in the recent past, but God created it in an intermediate state. In other words, He created it exactly as it would have been if it had existed for billions of years, even though it hadn't. Since we know God is omnipotent, and we know that His ways are not our ways, there's no reason to suppose that this isn't entirely possible, although even under this scenario I suspect there may be difficulties in reconciliation with scripture, so I would not make this conclusion unless I found it to be consistent.

Or two, I admit what appears on the surface of things to be a contradiction, and simply accept that fact as a result of my own limited understanding in the face of God's vastly superior understanding. This is what I tend to go with. I don't see any reason why we humans think we need have to have an answer for everything, or know it all. Sometimes it's ok to admit, "I don't know."

Young Earth = Absurd, science conflicts with scripture, must accept science anyway.

Evidence says universe not created by God, science conflicts with scripture, must accept scripture.

I'm confused? Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying, but it seems like in one place you are refusing to accept scriptrue because of "science", but instead later choose to accept scripture despite "science". So are we picking and choosing now?

Ultimately, as stated in Proverbs 3:5, scripture supercedes science, since science is based on human perception, which is fallible. While I concede this, I don't concede the scientific credibility, on scientific grounds, of young-earth creationism. Which leads to what I've already discussed above.

Anyway, onto your most important statement.

lol

This goes through many of the scriptural claims old-earthers make.

Everything in the bible relies on Genesis being accurate.

As noted above, I affirm the accuracy of scripture, including Genesis.

The following is about radiometric dating.

Just some simple Young Earth evidences.

Evidence from Astronomy

I could put more, but as I was typing another challenge appeared elsewhere.

I didn't plan on getting too far into this. Hopefully I won't have to make too many posts, this stuff tends to attract unwanted attention.

The quotes didn't make it into the reply, so I'll try to address them in another post. As far as getting too far into it goes, you probably don't need to worry since my scientific position is based mainly on the fact that I believe I have good reason to accept the credibility of scientific experts, and that the young-earth creationist position has been scientifically refuted by professional scientists. Mainly this is because I am myself a student of science, just an initiaite at the moment as I am working on my bachelor's, so I have an idea of how science works and why it is credible, but I really haven't done much study of the specific issues which relate to this debate.

Of course I can predict your response to this, fallacy of argument from authority or something similar, but anyway I concede it and nonetheless believe the scientific method is fairly trustworthy, and so that's why I don't go with a young-earth position from a purely scientific perspective.

 

[mexicansaint]

yes they did exist the reason they were left out of the ark because these prehistoric animals were offspring by giants mention in genesis 6. if the fallen sons of god defiled the woman wouldnt you think they also defiled the animals?? perhaps the book of enoch might help understand better.

 

[SonOfAdam]

yes they did exist the reason they were left out of the ark because these prehistoric animals were offspring by giants mention in genesis 6. if the fallen sons of god defiled the woman wouldnt you think they also defiled the animals?? perhaps the book of enoch might help understand better.

I can only assume that you did not read my statement about the average size of the dinosaurs being that of a german shepherd dog and that most were as small as a chicken.

If a single land animal did not have a representitive on the ark then you have made God to be a liar when he says 2 of EVERY land animal went on the ark.

I tend to use the Bible as my source, not books that are not scripture.

 

[carolineh]

for a brilliant explanation of this topic click on this link FreeHovind -

 

[jejago]

On, the, question, did, dinosaurs, exist, and, what, happened.

The, King, let, dinosaurs, go, extinct, for, man, and, the, reason, He, created, them, was, to, ready, the, land, for man, and, it, was, never, His, plan, for, man, and, dinosaur, to, inhabit, the, land, at, the, same, time.

An, inspired, answer, to, a, genuine, question.

 

[Jokurandomi]

What christian want to know is a good site ;D

What Do Christians Believe About Dinosaurs?

 

[zoii]

There are so many bible quotes here saying if n when dinosaurs existed. I don't ask a priest to fix my cycle so why ask Christians about dinosaurs... we aren't the experts. And remember the same people who wrote the bible thought the earth was flat and was the centre of the universe. The bible helps us to understand god... its not a scientific journal

 

[Tintin]

There are so many bible quotes here saying if n when dinosaurs existed. I don't ask a priest to fix my cycle so why ask Christians about dinosaurs... we aren't the experts. And remember the same people who wrote the bible thought the earth was flat and was the centre of the universe. The bible helps us to understand god... its not a scientific journal

No, they didn't. They didn't know what we know now, but this is false. Pagans were those who predominantly believed in a flat earth and more recently, some atheists. Also, God's Word is truth, so we should turn to the Bible for truth. Yes, even the truth including dinosaurs, as sparse as the references are. You're right, the Bible isn't a scientific journal, but it's silly to suggest that it doesn't contain some science. It's mostly history played out in different genres.

Finally, Neanderthals were just as human as you and I (of course with a different physique etc.) But they weren't soul-less people or animals, but people.

 

[zoii]

No, they didn't. They didn't know what we know now, but this is false. Pagans were those who predominantly believed in a flat earth and more recently, some atheists. Also, God's Word is truth, so we should turn to the Bible for truth. Yes, even the truth including dinosaurs, as sparse as the references are. You're right, the Bible isn't a scientific journal, but it's silly to suggest that it doesn't contain some science. It's mostly history played out in different genres.

Finally, Neanderthals were just as human as you and I (of course with a different physique etc.) But they weren't soul-less people or animals, but people.

Hi Tintin. My point really was that the bible wasn't intended as some sort of scholarly scientific paper on paleontology so its not fair to judge everything about such things from this book... it wasn't its intent. Its aim was spiritual guidance surely. That's why I'm like... oh cmon stop trying to understand dinosaurs from the bible

 

[featJC]

"Creation.com" is an AMAZING website where you can find all the answers to your questions related to creation... (also: answersingenesis.org)