Do i have to Keep the Sabbath or was it only for Israel?

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Truth01

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According to the words of Jesus as well as later the words of his apostles, the summary of the ten commandments is this;
Love the lord your God with all of your heart and all of your soul
Love your neighbour as yourself

Are we saying that when Jesus died on the cross a state has been created when we should no longer feel obliged to keep these at all. Does Jesus death for you make you feel obliged to love him more or less?
 

TMS

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Love is the motivation to obey.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Paul (the apostle to the gentiles) encourages the keeping of the law/ commandments many times. along with many other verses in the NT that promote the keeping of the law for the right motive.
Not to earn salvation but because we love our Lord and as children of God we should bear fruit that reveals God's righteousness.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Rom_4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

i have 2 simple questions?
*should we, or should we not, keep the 10 commandments today, including the one God said to not forget? Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.


Mat_12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Gen 2:3 And God (Jesus) blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

*Do you follow God as a spiritual Jew (an Isralite by adoption) or as a gentile?


Israel = fighter of God,” “triumphant with God,” “God contended,” or “Wrestles with God.” Gentile = Not part of the Jewish nation and anyone other then Gods people.
Blood line means nothing,
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. (Vs 12-29 explains it well)
Rom 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom_11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom_11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
 

TMS

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Let's clear up Col 2
People continually use this verse to say the sabbath is not to be kept.

These verses do not say anything of the sort.
Col 2:13-17
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Jesus forgave us and blotted out the sins that are against us.

is the holy law against us? Roms 7-13...
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid......
Jesus gave it at mount sinia, Did God give us something that is against us.

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

WHat did Jesus triumph over? Sin
What did Jesus nail to the cross? Our sins
Did Jesus take the law out of the way or the penalty of transgressing the law?

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Knowing that the Colosian culture was full of pagan tradition and evil practices.

Paul was telling them to not let the surrounding people judge the faithful on the food they eat or the days they kept.. These are a shadow of what's to come, more judgement, even persicution was ahead. But the body is of Christ.

Don't let the people around judge what is right or wrong but be part of the true body. The truth will set us free. The word of God, the Bible along.

Nowhere Does it say the law is not to be kept.
 

Cameron143

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#85
Let's clear up Col 2
People continually use this verse to say the sabbath is not to be kept.

These verses do not say anything of the sort.
Col 2:13-17
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Jesus forgave us and blotted out the sins that are against us.

is the holy law against us? Roms 7-13...
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid......
Jesus gave it at mount sinia, Did God give us something that is against us.

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

WHat did Jesus triumph over? Sin
What did Jesus nail to the cross? Our sins
Did Jesus take the law out of the way or the penalty of transgressing the law?

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Knowing that the Colosian culture was full of pagan tradition and evil practices.

Paul was telling them to not let the surrounding people judge the faithful on the food they eat or the days they kept.. These are a shadow of what's to come, more judgement, even persicution was ahead. But the body is of Christ.

Don't let the people around judge what is right or wrong but be part of the true body. The truth will set us free. The word of God, the Bible along.

Nowhere Does it say the law is not to be kept.
What is entailed in the command...love the LORD your God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind?
 

Magenta

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#86
Let's clear up Col 2
People continually use this verse to say the sabbath is not to be kept.

These verses do not say anything of the sort.
No, that is not what is being said at all, that the Sabbath is not to be kept.

What is being said is that Sabbath keeping is not mandatory, was given to the Jews as a foreshadowing of
the rest we find in Christ, and is nowhere repeated in the New Testament as a commandment to believers.


If you want to keep the Sabbath, you are free to do so.

Just as we are free not to.
 

TMS

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What is entailed in the command...love the LORD your God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind?
It is telling us that we should (need to) love God suppremely, make God first in everything. Love is more then words and feelings, its will control our actions and deeds also.
Deu_11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.
Deu_11:22 For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words:....
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Love has a strong connection with obeying the Lord. Because you Love God, you will wont to obey Him in all things.
 

Cameron143

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It is telling us that we should (need to) love God suppremely, make God first in everything. Love is more then words and feelings, its will control our actions and deeds also.
Deu_11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.
Deu_11:22 For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words:....
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Love has a strong connection with obeying the Lord. Because you Love God, you will wont to obey Him in all things.
Since you didn't answer my question I'll just share with you my point. I could have picked any commandment and you would not be able to tell all that is entailed in keeping it. Nor could anyone else. Thus, if we don't know everything, we cannot keep the commandments by trying to keep the commandments. It is only as we walk in the Spirit that we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. So our focus shouldn't be on keeping the commandments. It should be on walking in the Spirit.
 

TMS

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No, that is not what is being said at all, that the Sabbath is not to be kept.

What is being said is that Sabbath keeping is not mandatory, was given to the Jews as a foreshadowing of
the rest we find in Christ, and is nowhere repeated in the New Testament as a commandment to believers.


If you want to keep the Sabbath, you are free to do so.

Just as we are free not to.
Yes you are free to not keep the 4th commandment. i just wish to share the wonderful gift that God gave at creation with others, because it has helped me so much and brought me closer to Jesus.

Where does the bible say the sabbath is not mandatory for Gods people? If it was a foreshadow of Jesus, where do i find that in the bible? Jesus is our rest, but he is also our food and water and life, but it does not say Jesus is the new sabbath.

Jesus said....Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
This was a prophesy for many years after the death of Jesus and He talked about the sabbath day, "But pray ye that your flight be not on the sabbath day:"

You say it is not repeated in the NT as a commandment to believers.
Mat_12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mar_2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
(He didn't say for Jews or until i die it is to be kept) (When was it made? at creation before Jew or Gentile existed)
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Remember these things (above and below) were written after Jesus had accended.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
This does not indicate which rest, both Sabbath and the rest of knowing the gosple can apply, which is common for Pauls writtings.

Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

No doubt Jesus is our rest. But we are not told to forget the sabbath gift. rest in Jesus every day and rest on the Sabbath on the 7th day.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
 

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#90
Jesus Christ
rose from the dead,
Appeared to His disciples,
on the
First Day of the week.

Mark 16:9 KJV
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

John 20:19,26 KJV
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
[26] And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Acts 20:7 KJV
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2 KJV
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

We meet on the first day of the week, and remember the LORD.

1 Corinthians 11:24-25 KJV
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
[25] After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Acts 5:42 KJV
And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
 

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#91
Jesus Christ
rose from the dead,
Appeared to His disciples,
on the
First Day of the week.

Mark 16:9 KJV
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

John 20:19,26 KJV
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
[26] And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Acts 20:7 KJV
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2 KJV
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

We meet on the first day of the week, and remember the LORD.

1 Corinthians 11:24-25 KJV
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
[25] After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Acts 5:42 KJV
And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

It would be so nice if there was a church like this who had a lot of activities for the congregation in my current neighborhood. I used to go to one that was close to this when I lived on Long Island (New York). They had services on Sunday mornings and evenings and on Wednesdays as well. But they also had a lot of group activities everyday after work or school. And the thing was all the activities were centered on the Lord. I really loved it!


🏄🏻‍♀️
 

TheLearner

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Verse 14
Having blotted out (εξαλειψας). And so "cancelled." First aorist active participle of old verb εξαλειφω, to rub out, wipe off, erase. In N.T. only in Acts 3:19 (LXX); Revelation 3:5; Colossians 2:14. Here the word explains χαρισαμενος and is simultaneous with it. Plato used it of blotting out a writing. Often MSS. were rubbed or scraped and written over again (palimpsests, like Codex C).

The bond written in ordinances that was against us (το καθ' ημων χειρογραφον τοις δογμασιν). The late compound χειρογραφον (χειρ, hand, γραφω) is very common in the papyri for a certificate of debt or bond, many of the original χειρογραφα (handwriting, "chirography"). See Deissmann, Bible Studies, p. 247. The signature made a legal debt or bond as Paul says in Philemon 1:18: "I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it." Many of the papyri examples have been "crossed out" thus X as we do today and so cancelled. One decree is described as "neither washed out nor written over" (Milligan, N. T. Documents, p. 16). Undoubtedly "the handwriting in decrees" (δογμασιν, the Mosaic law, Ephesians 2:15) was against the Jews (Exodus 24:3; Deuteronomy 27:14-26) for they accepted it, but the Gentiles also gave moral assent to God's law written in their hearts (Romans 2:14). So Paul says "against us" (καθ' ημων) and adds "which was contrary to us" (ο ην υπεναντιον ημιν) because we (neither Jew nor Gentile) could not keep it. Hυπεναντιος is an old double compound adjective (υπο, εν, αντιος) set over against, only here in N.T. except Hebrews 10:27 when it is used as a substantive. It is striking that Paul has connected the common word χειρογραφον for bond or debt with the Cross of Christ (Deissmann, Light, etc., p. 332).

And he hath taken it out of the way (κα ηρκεν εκ του μεσου). Perfect active indicative of αιρω, old and common verb, to lift up, to bear, to take away. The word used by the Baptist of Jesus as "the Lamb of God that bears away (αιρων) the sin of the world" (John 1:29). The perfect tense emphasizes the permanence of the removal of the bond which has been paid and cancelled and cannot be presented again. Lightfoot argues for Christ as the subject of ηρκεν, but that is not necessary, though Paul does use sudden anacolutha. God has taken the bond against us "out of the midst" (εκ του μεσου). Nailing it to the cross (προσηλωσας αυτο τω σταυρω). First aorist active participle of old and common verb προσηλοω, to fasten with nails to a thing (with dative σταυρω). Here alone in N.T., but in III Macc. 4:9 with the very word σταυρω. The victim was nailed to the cross as was Christ. "When Christ was crucified, God nailed the Law to His cross" (Peake). Hence the "bond" is cancelled for us. Business men today sometimes file cancelled accounts. No evidence exists that Paul alluded to such a custom here.

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Verse 15
Having put off from himself (απεκδυσαμενος). Only here and Colossians 3:9 and one MS. of Josephus (απεκδυς). Both αποδυω and εκδυω occur in ancient writers. Paul simply combines the two for expression of complete removal. But two serious problems arise here. Is God or Christ referred to by απεκδυσαμενος? What is meant by "the principalities and the powers" (τας αρχας κα τας εξουσιας)? Modern scholars differ radically and no full discussion can be attempted here as one finds in Lightfoot, Haupt, Abbott, Peake. On the whole I am inclined to look on God as still the subject and the powers to be angels such as the Gnostics worshipped and the verb to mean "despoil" (American Standard Version) rather than "having put off from himself." In the Cross of Christ God showed his power openly without aid or help of angels.

He made a show of them (εδειγματισεν). First aorist active indicative of δειγματιζω, late and rare verb from δειγμα (Jude 1:7), an example, and so to make an example of. Frequent in the papyri though later than παραδειγματιζω and in N.T. only here and Matthew 1:19 of Joseph's conduct toward Mary. No idea of disgrace is necessarily involved in the word. The publicity is made plain by "openly" (εν παρρησια).

Triumphing over them on it (θριαμβευσας αυτους εν αυτω). On the Cross the triumph was won. This late, though common verb in Koine writers (εκθριαμβευω in the papyri) occurs only twice in the N.T., once "to lead in triumph" (2 Corinthians 2:14), here to celebrate a triumph (the usual sense). It is derived from θριαμβος, a hymn sung in festal procession and is kin to the Latin triumphus (our triumph), a triumphal procession of victorious Roman generals. God won a complete triumph over all the angelic agencies (αυτους, masculine regarded as personal agencies). Lightfoot adds, applying θριαμβευσας to Christ: "The convict's gibbet is the victor's car." It is possible, of course, to take αυτω as referring to χειρογραφον (bond) or even to Christ.

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Verse 16
Let no one judge you (μη τις υμας κρινετω). Prohibition present active imperative third singular, forbidding the habit of passing judgment in such matters. For κρινω see on Matthew 7:1. Paul has here in mind the ascetic regulations and practices of one wing of the Gnostics (possibly Essenic or even Pharisaic influence). He makes a plea for freedom in such matters on a par with that in Colossians 2:1; Colossians 2:14; Colossians 2:15. The Essenes went far beyond the Mosaic regulations. For the Jewish feasts see on Galatians 4:10. Josephus (Ant. III. 10, 1) expressly explains the "seventh day" as called "sabbata" (plural form as here, an effort to transliterate the Aramaic sabbathah).

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Verse 17
A shadow (σκια). Old word, opposed to substance (σωμα, body). In Hebrews 10:1 σκια is distinguished from εικων (picture), but here from σωμα (body, substance). The σωμα (body) casts the σκια (shadow) and so belongs to Christ (Χριστου, genitive case).

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Verse 18
Rob you of your prize (καταβραβευετω). Late and rare compound (κατα, βραβευω, Colossians 3:15) to act as umpire against one, perhaps because of bribery in Demosthenes and Eustathius (two other examples in Preisigke's Worterbuch), here only in the N.T. So here it means to decide or give judgment against. The judge at the games is called βραβευς and the prize βραβειον (1 Corinthians 9:24; Philippians 3:14). It is thus parallel to, but stronger than, κρινετω in verse Colossians 2:16.

By a voluntary humility (θελων εν ταπεινοφροσυνη). Present active participle of θελω, to wish, to will, but a difficult idiom. Some take it as like an adverb for "wilfully" somewhat like θελοντας in 2 Peter 3:5. Others make it a Hebraism from the LXX usage, "finding pleasure in humility." The Revised Version margin has "of his own mere will, by humility." Hort suggested εν εθελοταπεινοφροσυνη (in gratuitous humility), a word that occurs in Basil and made like εθελοθρησκια in verse Colossians 2:23.

And worshipping of the angels (κα θρησκεια των αγγελων). In Colossians 3:12 humility (ταπεινοφροσυνην) is a virtue, but it is linked with worship of the angels which is idolatry and so is probably false humility as in verse Colossians 2:23. They may have argued for angel worship on the plea that God is high and far removed and so took angels as mediators as some men do today with angels and saints in place of Christ.

Dwelling in the things which he hath seen (α εορακεν εμβατευων). Some MSS. have "not," but not genuine. This verb εμβατευω (from εμβατης, stepping in, going in) has given much trouble. Lightfoot has actually proposed κενεμβατευων (a verb that does not exist, though κενεμβατεω does occur) with αιωρα, to tread on empty air, an ingenious suggestion, but now unnecessary. It is an old word for going in to take possession (papyri examples also). W. M. Ramsay (Teaching of Paul, pp. 287ff.) shows from inscriptions in Klaros that the word is used of an initiate in the mysteries who "set foot in" (ενεβατευσεν) and performed the rest of the rites. Paul is here quoting the very work used of these initiates who "take their stand on" these imagined revelations in the mysteries.

Vainly puffed up (εικη φυσιουμενος). Present passive participle of φυσιοω, late and vivid verb from φυσα, pair of bellows, in N.T. only here and 1 Corinthians 4:6; 1 Corinthians 4:18; 1 Corinthians 8:1. Powerful picture of the self-conceit of these bombastic Gnostics.
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/rwp/colossians-2.html
 

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#93
Yes you are free to not keep the 4th commandment. i just wish to share the wonderful gift that God gave at creation with others, because it has helped me so much and brought me closer to Jesus.

Where does the bible say the sabbath is not mandatory for Gods people? If it was a foreshadow of Jesus, where do i find that in the bible? Jesus is our rest, but he is also our food and water and life, but it does not say Jesus is the new sabbath.

Jesus said....Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
This was a prophesy for many years after the death of Jesus and He talked about the sabbath day, "But pray ye that your flight be not on the sabbath day:"

You say it is not repeated in the NT as a commandment to believers.
Mat_12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mar_2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
(He didn't say for Jews or until i die it is to be kept) (When was it made? at creation before Jew or Gentile existed)
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Remember these things (above and below) were written after Jesus had accended.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
This does not indicate which rest, both Sabbath and the rest of knowing the gosple can apply, which is common for Pauls writtings.

Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

No doubt Jesus is our rest. But we are not told to forget the sabbath gift. rest in Jesus every day and rest on the Sabbath on the 7th day.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Do you keep all 613 Comands of Torah?
 

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The Didache
1. But every Lord’s day do ye gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.
(Didache Chapter XIV.11 —Christian Assembly on the Lord’s Day. 14 [A.D. 70]).​
The Letter of Barnabas
Since, therefore, the days are evil, and Satan possesses the power of this world, we ought to give heed to ourselves, and diligently inquire into the ordinances of the Lord. Fear and patience, then, are helpers of our faith; and long-suffering and continence are things which fight on our side. While these remain pure in what respects the Lord, Wisdom, Understanding, Science, and Knowledge rejoice along with them. For He hath revealed to us by all the prophets that He needs neither sacrifices, nor burnt-offerings, nor oblations, saying thus, “What is the multitude of your sacrifices unto Me, saith the Lord? I am full of burnt-offerings, and desire not the fat of lambs, and the blood of bulls and goats, not when ye come to appear before Me: for who hath required these things at your hands? Tread no more My courts, not though ye bring with you fine flour. Incense is a vain abomination unto Me, and your new moons and sabbaths I cannot endure.” He has therefore abolished these things, that the new law of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is without the yoke of necessity, might have a human oblation(The Epistle of Barnabas 1 Chapter II.—The Jewish sacrifices are now abolished.)
Further, He says to them, “Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure.” Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens.(The Epistle of Barnabas Chapter XV.—The false and the true Sabbath. [A.D. 74]).​
Ignatius of Antioch
If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).
During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)​
Justin Martyr
The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)
For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).
And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).
“Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)
“As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)​
Tertullian
https://apostles-creed.org/confessi...rch-fathers-on-the-sabbath-and-the-lords-day/
 

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It would be so nice if there was a church like this who had a lot of activities for the congregation in my current neighborhood. I used to go to one that was close to this when I lived on Long Island (New York). They had services on Sunday mornings and evenings and on Wednesdays as well. But they also had a lot of group activities everyday after work or school. And the thing was all the activities were centered on the Lord. I really loved it!


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Oh yes, I shifted states because of this church. You name it, they seriously do the Christian thing here.
I know some saints in New York too.
God bless you.
This church really started from scratch.
Because of the faith of one man who was obedient to God’s word and suffered for it.
It helps to have good examples to follow.
 

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Do you keep all 613 Comands of Torah?
No.

In Moses' day There were more then one law.

The moral law. (10 commandments)
The cerimonial law (laws relating to the temple)
Health laws
Social laws

And more

But you can see how there were different laws for different reasons.

I try to keep the laws that are relevant for God's people today.

Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
 

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Are the moral laws a burden or a delight?

The pharisees made the law a burden.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Jesus came to show the real character of God.
The moral law shows the character of God.

Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa 119:18 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law. 44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
Psa 119:97 O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.

We can love God's law or hate it.

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
 

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Colossians 2:14,16-17 KJV
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
[16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
 

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The 613 refers to the 613 Jewish commandments (mitzvot in Hebrew) extracted from the Old Testament. This immense work by Archie Rand includes one painting for each one of the 613 mitzvot.



1. To know there is a God.
(Exodus 20:2)

2. To have not other gods.
(Exodus 20:3)

3. To know that He is one.
(Deuteronomy 6:4)

4. To love Him.
(Deuteronomy 6:5)

5. To fear Him.
(Deuteronomy 10:20)

6. To sanctify His Name.
(Leviticus 22:32)

7. Not to profane His Name.
(Leviticus 22:32)

8. To worship Him as He has ordered and not destroy holy objects.
(Deuteronomy 12:4)

9. To listen to the true prophet.
(Deuteronomy 18:15)

10. Not to test the prophet.
(Deuteronomy 6:16)

11. To emulate His ways.
(Deuteronomy 28:9)

12. To be with those who only worship Him.
(Deuteronomy 10:20)

13. To love your neighbor as yourself.
(Leviticus 19:18)

14. To love converts.
(Deuteronomy 10:19)

15. Not to hate your brother in your heart.
(Leviticus 19:17)

16. To reprove your brother when necessary.
(Leviticus 19:17)

17. Not to embarrass others.
(Leviticus 19:17)

18. Not to oppress the weak.
(Exodus 22:21)

19. Not to slander.
(Leviticus 19:16)

20. Not to take revenge.
(Leviticus 19:18)
 

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21. Not to bear a grudge.
(Leviticus 19:18)

22. Teach Torah to your children.
(Deuteronomy 6:7)

23. To respect and defer to the elders.
(Leviticus 19:32)

24. Do not turn to the ways of idol worship.
(Leviticus 19:4)

25. Let the fringes on your clothes remind you to have pure conduct.
(Numbers 15:39)

26. Not to blaspheme or curse a judge.
(Exodus 22:27)

27. Not to worship idols.
(Exodus 20:5)

28. Not to bow down to idols.
(Exodus 20:5)

29. Not to make an idol.
(Exodus 20:4)

30. Not to make or cast an image.
(Leviticus 19:4)

31. Not to make gods of silver or gold.
(Exodus 20:20)

32. Not to turn a people to idolatry.
(Exodus 23:13)

33. To destroy a city that has turned to idol worship.
(Deuteronomy 13:17)

34. Not to rebuild that city.
(Deuteronomy 13:17)

35. Not to retain any benefit from that city.
(Deuteronomy 13:18)

36. Not to missionize a person to idol worship.
(Deuteronomy 13:12)

37. Not to love the missionary.
(Deuteronomy 13:9)

38. Not to stop hating him.
(Deuteronomy 13:9)

39. Not to save him.
(Deuteronomy 13:9)

40. Not to speak in his defense.
(Deuteronomy 13:9)

41. Not to refrain from incriminating him.
(Deuteronomy 13:9)

42. Not to prophesize in idolatry.
(Deuteronomy 18:20)

43. To ignore the false prophet.
(Deuteronomy 13:4)

44. Not to prophesize falsely in God's name.
(Deuteronomy 18:20)

45. Not to fear killing a false prophet.
(Deuteronomy 18:22)

46. Never swear in the name of an idol.
(Exodus 23:13)

47. Not to perform as or acknowledge those who purport to channel spirits.
(Leviticus 19:31)

48. Not to perform as or consult fortunetellers.
(Leviticus 19:31)

49. Not to burn your children in a sacrificial fire to Molech.
(Leviticus 18:21)