Evolutionism and creationism Poll

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Do you believe in evolution


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DannyC

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I believe God made us and our world in six days some thousands of years ago. I believe this is supported by the Bible and by scripture.
That being said evolution is not ridiculous. It's kind of bleak and disturbing, but the basic elements of it (DNA, mutation, natural selection, heredity) are all true, if not exclusively true. But lacking a God-centering to their Universe they take this basic evidence (which indicates nothing more than that man has a material aspect) and spin it out into a naturalistic pagan religion about the Earth Mother.
Well it's not pagan and it's not a religion, also the truth isn't warm and fuzzy, just because something appears bleak and disturbing doesn't make it any less true, personal incredulity won't change a fact. If you need it you can have a god to start the evolutionary process many have, they can be reconciled. Although the 6,000-10,000 year old earth is an issue with not just the theory of evolution but almost all modern science.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Of course. Evolution is a fact and anyone who says otherwise hasn't done very much research. Change over time is a fact. It's that simple.
Change over time doesn't negate limits to that change. There are genetic limits.
 
Jan 4, 2013
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Evolution is one of Gods gifts, you either take it or leave it.
 
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Batman007

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Change over time doesn't negate limits to that change. There are genetic limits.
Well yeah, of course there are limits. I mean it's very very improbable that a fish will give birth to a bird. That's just not going to happen.

That's also not what evolution is.
 
May 18, 2010
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where are the minds of individuals this day in age? know ye not that evolution was made through man? what are the things of God to you, since you think as a man with the doctrines and traditions of men? how then has the Spirit effected you? these are questions that i might find well over the importance of how we might or might not have evolved. if you read the scriptures it shows that God created and his creations carry out as they ought so that nothing is new under the sun, so the apple tree is still an apple bearing fruit tree, the only sign of evolution i see is when humanity disrupts the natural growth of anything such as with stem cell research and mixing fruits and mating different animals, this isn't evolution this is man tampering with nature. this is what i believe.
 
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I've taken it upon myself to do the research in downloading many pdfs/lectures pertaining to this very matter, so that there may be no ignorance in my refuting.
 
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progressivenerdgirl

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Well it's not pagan and it's not a religion, also the truth isn't warm and fuzzy, just because something appears bleak and disturbing doesn't make it any less true, personal incredulity won't change a fact. If you need it you can have a god to start the evolutionary process many have, they can be reconciled. Although the 6,000-10,000 year old earth is an issue with not just the theory of evolution but almost all modern science.
It's only in conflict because they don't have God. God has his reasons for making the Universe how he did, I just because foolish men see a far galaxy and assume it must have been flying away all that time does not mean anything.
 
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DannyC

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It's only in conflict because they don't have God. God has his reasons for making the Universe how he did, I just because foolish men see a far galaxy and assume it must have been flying away all that time does not mean anything.
Unfortunately I don't know what you're trying to say.
 
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Charlamane

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I think people often confuse evolution with adaptation. There's also two kinds of evolution, micro and macro. Micro is simply variations that occur within a species. Macro is the kind Darwin believed in. He assumed because micro existed then macro was possible: that one species could generate a whole new species. Such a happening has never been recorded in human history. And I'm NOT talking about those finches Darwin based his whole theory on! That was clearly a matter of adaptation, which involved micro-evolution, not macro! As for single celled organisms becoming multi, I think only with certain kinds of mold does that happen. Now. you show me a single celled organism that becomes multi, and then sprouts a heart, and then a set of lungs, etc; and I'll start paying attention! But wait; how possible is that? How can any living creature exist without even one vital organ? So did this evolutionary process happen all at once? Because we DO need all our vital organs working all at once. A heart and lungs just plain won't work without a brain running them! ;) And a brain won't function without a pumping heart and working set of lungs. I've had people tell me evolution happens all the time. You ask them for an example, either they give you mold or they'll tell you about different breeds breeding within the same species. Cross-breeding species never happens except when forced in laboratories. And those, when they do survive, have tons of genetic problems. They don't last over one generation at best. And scientists never have figured out how that original living cell came into being that supposedly started this whole evolutionary process. Oh yeah, they've speculated a lot, but let's see them make it happen. Just once! Macro-evolution is a theory until it's been proven, and they haven't even come close. Seems like it takes far more faith to believe in such things then it does to believe in God.
 
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What Darwin established was the theory of evolution which would be able to account for both "micro" and "macro" evolution. Darwin established the idea of this change over time and what the mechanism must be like. However he did not have a good grasp on the mechanism by any means, he just knew that it would have had to have some specific characters. These characteristics do exist in genetics.

He assumed because micro existed then macro was possible: that one species could generate a whole new species. Such a happening has never been recorded in human history.
People have recorded speciation occuring. Scientists have bred a specific species of fruit flies into a new species of fruit flies that could no longer breed with the 'original' population. The same has been done with rat worms and other animals with very short life spans.
 

shawntc

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May 7, 2010
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I've taken it upon myself to do the research in downloading many pdfs/lectures pertaining to this very matter, so that there may be no ignorance in my refuting.
I wish to do the same as well. Right now I'm an Old Earther, but I'd like to get the free time to study this topic into the ground and get a solid conclusion. Truth is important to me, wherever it leads.
 

060711099100

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Do you suppose the Designer designed evolution to create what we have now? ;D
No i believe God created everything, and it was completed with Gods word just as the Bible tells us it was. As far as i know Evolution is never mentioned in the book of Genesis.:)
 
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Kefa52

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Here is a basic question. Science has admitted that the more they study the more they see intelligent design and order to the universe.

Have you ever seen anything blow up (big bang) with order or design???????
 

NateDaGrimes

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Jan 7, 2013
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okay okay.. lets come to an agreement that evolution and athiesm is a crutch for the weak.
people use that crutch so they can do what they want. truth is scientist lie, and people rather believe a liar then a person who only speaks true.

truth is... the word of god may be written by man, but the books you athiest evolutionist are reading books by man.. soo how should we trust them? its like how should we know if there is a God if that author is just writing a book that may have no facts. how should we know if the dude was right about evolution.. they never been million/ billion years.
 
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Relena7

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I think evolution happened. It just makes more sense.

If anyone quotes me, no heavily implied verbal abuse please.
 
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Batman007

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Here is a basic question. Science has admitted that the more they study the more they see intelligent design and order to the universe.

Have you ever seen anything blow up (big bang) with order or design???????
What? What kind of design do you see in the universe? It's all very chaotic, especially considering how many dangers there are zooming around close to earth, asteroids and the such.