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lukeabers

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Here are my statements let me know your thoughts on them?
1. Since evil and suffering exist, a loving God cannot.
2.Since miracles contradict science, they cannot ne true.
3.God isn't worthy of worship if he kills innocent children.
1. Mankind chose satan and this miserable existence. We are at fault, not God.

2. Science itself speaks of miracles. The Big Bang created the laws of physics and thereby is beyond natural laws i.e. supernatural a.k.a a miracle.

3. Again, mankind is fallen, not God. Since Roe v. Wade, 1 billion babies have been murdered world wide through abortion. Mankind knows how to murder children...been doing it since the days of baal worship...

Clearly you have an agenda, but you may care to know the truth about your reality...so, Alice, how about it? Down the rabbit hole we go? Or are you satisfied sticking with the green pill?
 

TheLearner

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All those are nothing more than a

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False Dilemma


(also known as: all-or-nothing fallacy, false dichotomy*, the either-or fallacy, either-or reasoning, fallacy of false choice, fallacy of false alternatives, black-and-white thinking, the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses, bifurcation, excluded middle, no middle ground, polarization)
Description: When only two choices are presented yet more exist, or a spectrum of possible choices exists between two extremes. False dilemmas are usually characterized by “either this or that” language, but can also be characterized by omissions of choices. Another variety is the false trilemma, which is when three choices are presented when more exist."
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/94/False-Dilemma
 

garee

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Is God Immoral for Killing Innocent Children?
by Kyle Butt, M.Div.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=260
What we are is not what we will be.

I would think that because natural man is born without faith as in no faith, none (not little) in respect to the unseen God they are classified as fools..... no God in their hearts. Therefore not having the spiritual insight that does come by faith to reckon things any further than what the eyes see or ears hear of natural man . Therefore having no hope of rising on the last day .

Formulas or prescriptions like I am offering below that help those who do have the faith of God working in the earthen bodies help us receive the rest we do freely receive of His grace. While they who must walk by sight are not delivered by the light of the gospel.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

They are limited by the and need the gospel as the law of faith to shine the light of God's word upon their hearts in a hope Christ will be formed in them . Otherwise walking by sight after the philosophical theories of men is as light as it could get. In that way we acknowledge we do not wrestles against flesh and blood as rudiments of this world and neither are we led by the things seen the temporal.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and "vain deceit", after the "tradition of men", after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
 

Ahwatukee

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Hey everyone it’s so nice to meet you guys I would like to ask you guys if you would answer some questions for my apologetics class I need for willing people thanks so much!
Hello Sarahe28,

Here are my statements let me know your thoughts on them?
1. Since evil and suffering exist, a loving God cannot.
2.Since miracles contradict science, they cannot ne true.
3.God isn't worthy of worship if he kills innocent children.

1. Since evil and suffering exist, a loving God cannot.

First of all, this is a false statement. It assumes that because God allows evil and suffering, that He is not loving. The truth is that, God also gave us "free will," otherwise if God prevented any and all evil, including keeping people from sinning, then how could anyone be judged? Evil and suffering was caused by mankind's disobedience, not God's. It wasn't until the fall of man that diseases, blindness, paralysis, and every other kind of disability befell mankind.

Prior to the creation of mankind, Lucifer, now Satan, and his angels had already rebelled against God and so evil was already present. And because Adam and Eve's disobedience, mankind was drawn into it. But God did demonstrate His love by sending His Son to pay the penalty for our sins.

2.Since miracles contradict science, they cannot ne true.

The above is also a false statement,j as God is not restricted to science. For example, how could science explain the reanimation of dead bodies, i.e. the resurrection? God created science and just like everything, they trust in that instead of the One who created it.

God is Sovereign and has the power to do things that science could not explain.

3.God isn't worthy of worship if he kills innocent children.

Scripture states that, "For in Him (Christ) all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him." Since God created everything and owns everything and everyone, then He can do as He pleases, because He is the only reason that anyone exists and has their being. God would be perfectly fair if He sent everyone to the Lake of fire and that because, due to our sin against Him, that is what we deserve. Salvation is not anything that we can earn, but is a free gift. A get-out-of-jail-free-card, if you will. And that free gift was at the expense of His Son.

Number 3 says "God isn't worthy of worship if he kills innocent children," but God himself in the flesh, allowed His own creation to kill Him in order to save them.

The bottom line is that, God is Sovereign and who can question His decisions or actions?
 
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Hey everyone it’s so nice to meet you guys I would like to ask you guys if you would answer some questions for my apologetics class I need for willing people thanks so much!
Hey Sarahe, glad to meet you welcome to the CC! 😁
 

TheLearner

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What we are is not what we will be.

I would think that because natural man is born without faith as in no faith, none (not little) in respect to the unseen God they are classified as fools..... no God in their hearts. Therefore not having the spiritual insight that does come by faith to reckon things any further than what the eyes see or ears hear of natural man . Therefore having no hope of rising on the last day .

Formulas or prescriptions like I am offering below that help those who do have the faith of God working in the earthen bodies help us receive the rest we do freely receive of His grace. While they who must walk by sight are not delivered by the light of the gospel.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

They are limited by the and need the gospel as the law of faith to shine the light of God's word upon their hearts in a hope Christ will be formed in them . Otherwise walking by sight after the philosophical theories of men is as light as it could get. In that way we acknowledge we do not wrestles against flesh and blood as rudiments of this world and neither are we led by the things seen the temporal.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and "vain deceit", after the "tradition of men", after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Huh?
 

garee

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What we are is not what we will be.

I can offer it in smaller sections perhaps then you help me understand your question Huh?

I would think that because natural man is born without faith as in no faith, none (not little) in respect to the unseen God they are classified as fools..... no God in their hearts. Therefore not having the spiritual insight that does come by faith to reckon things any further than what the eyes see or ears hear of natural man . Therefore they have no hope of rising to new spirit life on the last day .
 

TheLearner

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What we are is not what we will be.

I can offer it in smaller sections perhaps then you help me understand your question Huh?

I would think that because natural man is born without faith as in no faith, none (not little) in respect to the unseen God they are classified as fools..... no God in their hearts. Therefore not having the spiritual insight that does come by faith to reckon things any further than what the eyes see or ears hear of natural man . Therefore they have no hope of rising to new spirit life on the last day .
fool
[fool]

NOUN
1.
a silly or stupid person; a person who lacks judgment or sense.
2.
a professional jester, formerly kept by a person of royal or noble rank for amusement: the court fool.
3.
a person who has been tricked or deceived into appearing or acting silly or stupid: to make a fool of someone.
4.
an ardent enthusiast who cannot resist an opportunity to indulge an enthusiasm (usually preceded by a present participle): He's just a dancing fool.
5.
a weak-minded or idiotic person.


Your understanding does not fit the meaning of fool. Have you considered that your words ridicule others?
 

TheLearner

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Psalm 14:1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
 

garee

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fool
[fool]

NOUN
1.
a silly or stupid person; a person who lacks judgment or sense.
2.
a professional jester, formerly kept by a person of royal or noble rank for amusement: the court fool.
3.
a person who has been tricked or deceived into appearing or acting silly or stupid: to make a fool of someone.
4.
an ardent enthusiast who cannot resist an opportunity to indulge an enthusiasm (usually preceded by a present participle): He's just a dancing fool.
5.
a weak-minded or idiotic person.


Your understanding does not fit the meaning of fool. Have you considered that your words ridicule others?
I didn't know I was ridiculing others .I thought I was explaining that men are born without faith because of the fall

I see you found the verse in the next post.Can you see if anyone other than God calls them a fool they put themselves in danger of Judgment them themselves.?God alone is the judge and can see into the heart of a fool .

He calls Christians foolish but not fools when they do deny him in unbelief. He calls them he has given the faith to believe but do not exo erisze it as they should... you of "little faith" but fools "no faith" or god in their hearts.
They are called the evil generation or generation of unconverted men who must walk by sight and wonders having "no faith" by which they could please God in their hearts.

Deuteronomy 32:20And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.