is all this necessary?

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dru

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before i start,i know it is unhealthy thinking,anyway,this is something that i push away from my head quite often,it makes me not want to be here,i've actually asked a similar question not long ago,anyway,i know that thousands/millions of years ago God lived with his angles in a perfect place,made of gold,no pain,literally nothing bad,then lucifer rebelled against God,he failed and was rightly bannished from heaven- i understand all of that but where do i come in,i was born in the last decade,i've never stepped into heaven,never seen God,i'm on this earth not even by choice,i gladly accept that i will suffer while i'm here,i will get hurt,i was not born into the richest family or the best of countries or continent etc,i will face death not knowing how it looks like,i will love people,i will be hated(i accept all of that,really) my question is did i have to be in the middle of a million/billion old war(that i did not start),isn't it just enough that i have these human issues? and possibly just not exist after i die? just be the way i was before being born? i'm just me, what i can do (my ability) is not even close to the abilities of creations like angles etc did all of this have to start in the first place?
 
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kenisyes

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The reason God made you, is because after He made me, He still had more love to share. In spite of everything that is wrong with us humans, and it spite of all the pain we feel, it pleases Him to show His love for us anyway. That's what it's all about; His being love. And it's also why He lets us rebel; He wants to love us anyway.
 
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dru

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kenisyes said:
The reason God made you, is because after He made me, He still had more love to share. In spite of everything that is wrong with us humans, and it spite of all the pain we feel, it pleases Him to show His love for us anyway. That's what it's all about; His being love. And it's also why He lets us rebel; He wants to love us anyway.
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or maybe we(most humans) think of ourself highly and most likely in the long run we are not that important after all,maybe we are just a part of a bigger plan?
 
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kenisyes

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Yes, we are. The plan is letting God be love. And you get the blessings as He shows off. I think it's a great plan, and worth staying faithful to be part of it.

As far as thinking too highly of ourselves, just think of yourself as he thinks of you, and then you will be just right.
 
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dru

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where you get the strength i don't know, you have obviously been around more than me which would make a person in a situation like yours more confusing since you have seen more people come and go(die) and been in tougher situations which eventually would make you stronger(sorry i contradict myself often),for me thinking like that is something that goes on and off all the time, when something bad happens,i will start having doubt or when i think about bad things in general like war,death etc, i also have this habit of wanting to explain everything to someone(like now) which looks even more ridiculous in English lol so you will have to pardon me,anyway,i just thought that maybe we can relate to angles who lost their family(demons) ,that we are not experiencing this alone etc i appreciate your time btw.
 
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Shaije

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dru said:
where you get the strength i don't know, you have obviously been around more than me which would make a person in a situation like yours more confusing since you have seen more people come and go(die) and been in tougher situations which eventually would make you stronger(sorry i contradict myself often),for me thinking like that is something that goes on and off all the time, when something bad happens,i will start having doubt or when i think about bad things in general like war,death etc, i also have this habit of wanting to explain everything to someone(like now) which looks even more ridiculous in English lol so you will have to pardon me,anyway,i just thought that maybe we can relate to angles who lost their family(demons) ,that we are not experiencing this alone etc i appreciate your time btw.
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1 Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we shall judge the angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? (*what are you talking about, relate to angels who lost their family?)
 
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kenisyes

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dru said:
where you get the strength i don't know, you have obviously been around more than me which would make a person in a situation like yours more confusing since you have seen more people come and go(die) and been in tougher situations which eventually would make you stronger(sorry i contradict myself often),for me thinking like that is something that goes on and off all the time, when something bad happens,i will start having doubt or when i think about bad things in general like war,death etc, i also have this habit of wanting to explain everything to someone(like now) which looks even more ridiculous in English lol so you will have to pardon me,anyway,i just thought that maybe we can relate to angles who lost their family(demons) ,that we are not experiencing this alone etc i appreciate your time btw.
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We all see exactly what we need to see to grow to where God wants us to be. Even Satan is under His control. There's no issue of who has strength, just the issue of walking it out, trusting God, one day at a time.

The confusion is fine; He will straighten it all out for you eventually. The thinking you are doing is normal at your age. It's God teaching you how to think his way (Rom 12:2). The doubts are all part of it, so you can learn to be victorious in the life He has waiting for you. Wanting to explain is a gift, and it may mean you are called to be a teacher. (That's what teachers do; they explain God's plan to people.)

Relationship to the angels is easy. They follow God for their call, you follow God for yours. That's what we all have in common.

What I'm saying is that both Scripture and my experience agree that, as confusing as this seems to you, it's all part of where God wants you to be right now. Just accept the process, and walk it out.
 
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dru

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Shaije said:
1 Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we shall judge the angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? (*what are you talking about, relate to angels who lost their family?)
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what i meant by that is,angles were obviously close even before some rebelled,just like humans are close to each other,the ones who remained loyal to God obviously felt bad that some of their fellow angles had to rise up against God, right?(even God Himself must have felt bad since He loves His angle just as He loves us)
so maybe sometimes we dont seem to make sense of things like when a family member/friend who was not born again dies,because we know what happens to people who die before accepting Christ-why would an all loving God let billions of people burn in hell for eternity(things like that can make a believer such as myself to think too much)
 
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god is good to me
 
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Repentionofignorance

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dru said:
what i meant by that is,angles were obviously close even before some rebelled,just like humans are close to each other,the ones who remained loyal to God obviously felt bad that some of their fellow angles had to rise up against God, right?(even God Himself must have felt bad since He loves His angle just as He loves us)
so maybe sometimes we dont seem to make sense of things like when a family member/friend who was not born again dies,because we know what happens to people who die before accepting Christ-why would an all loving God let billions of people burn in hell for eternity(things like that can make a believer such as myself to think too much)
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God does not want anyone to perish, it is our sin that separates us from Him, and that is why we fall. Remember, hell was never created for humans, but for the demons and the devil himself. God sent His son because He wanted to save everyone, because He lives us more than you or I will ever realize.
 
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dru said:
before i start,i know it is unhealthy thinking,anyway,this is something that i push away from my head quite often,it makes me not want to be here,i've actually asked a similar question not long ago,anyway,i know that thousands/millions of years ago God lived with his angles in a perfect place,made of gold,no pain,literally nothing bad,then lucifer rebelled against God,he failed and was rightly bannished from heaven- i understand all of that but where do i come in,i was born in the last decade,i've never stepped into heaven,never seen God,i'm on this earth not even by choice,i gladly accept that i will suffer while i'm here,i will get hurt,i was not born into the richest family or the best of countries or continent etc,i will face death not knowing how it looks like,i will love people,i will be hated(i accept all of that,really) my question is did i have to be in the middle of a million/billion old war(that i did not start),isn't it just enough that i have these human issues? and possibly just not exist after i die? just be the way i was before being born? i'm just me, what i can do (my ability) is not even close to the abilities of creations like angles etc did all of this have to start in the first place?
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Read Genesis carefully and notice what happened with Adam and Eve and their relationship with God. The first few chapters explains about why God created people and how His will was for us to live with Him in paradise. But because God also gave mankind free will, that meant that people could reject Him...which we did. It's pointless to think that Adam and Eve's consequences of their fall should not be ours...we would have done exactly the same thing because we have the same human nature; so we all have fallen natures.

We tend to think that God expelled them from the Garden as punishment but look at it carefully....there was another tree...the tree of life that if Adam and Eve ate of it they would permanently and eternally be 'fallen' and not in relationship with God. This very loving God removed them from that temptation, which they would most certainly have committed.

Humans usually have to learn things the hard way and God gave us the time and opportunity to learn, to change, and to come back into relationship with Him through the blood of Jesus Christ. What a loving Creator!

This war of good against evil, of the Kingdom of God against the 'world', takes place in our hearts and minds. Satan can't attack God so he attacks what God loves...us. God does not leave us alone but USES Satan to bring about our salvation. God's promise of being with us throughout our trials is a very real promise...He doesn't say Christians will be trouble-free. A watching-world is our opportunity to witness to the life-changing and life-giving work of the Holy Spirit; and a lot of this is through pain and suffering.

I hope this doesn't deter you from seeking God... for one thing the alternative isn't good. But mainly, the biggest reward is in becoming reconciled with God and this will produce a happiness and contentment that is amazing.

Engaging in the Bible tells us why we are here, how we got here, and where we are going. But you have to read the whole Book and participate in bible study, prayer, fellowship, and service. A life committed to knowing God and His Word is VERY rewarding :).
 
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dru

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Lucy68 said:
Read Genesis carefully and notice what happened with Adam and Eve and their relationship with God. The first few chapters explains about why God created people and how His will was for us to live with Him in paradise. But because God also gave mankind free will, that meant that people could reject Him...which we did. It's pointless to think that Adam and Eve's consequences of their fall should not be ours...we would have done exactly the same thing because we have the same human nature; so we all have fallen natures.

We tend to think that God expelled them from the Garden as punishment but look at it carefully....there was another tree...the tree of life that if Adam and Eve ate of it they would permanently and eternally be 'fallen' and not in relationship with God. This very loving God removed them from that temptation, which they would most certainly have committed.

Humans usually have to learn things the hard way and God gave us the time and opportunity to learn, to change, and to come back into relationship with Him through the blood of Jesus Christ. What a loving Creator!

This war of good against evil, of the Kingdom of God against the 'world', takes place in our hearts and minds. Satan can't attack God so he attacks what God loves...us. God does not leave us alone but USES Satan to bring about our salvation. God's promise of being with us throughout our trials is a very real promise...He doesn't say Christians will be trouble-free. A watching-world is our opportunity to witness to the life-changing and life-giving work of the Holy Spirit; and a lot of this is through pain and suffering.

I hope this doesn't deter you from seeking God... for one thing the alternative isn't good. But mainly, the biggest reward is in becoming reconciled with God and this will produce a happiness and contentment that is amazing.

Engaging in the Bible tells us why we are here, how we got here, and where we are going. But you have to read the whole Book and participate in bible study, prayer, fellowship, and service. A life committed to knowing God and His Word is VERY rewarding :).
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thanks for the explanation
 
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