Is the Book of Mormon legit?

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phil36

phil36

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It really is quite simple.

Latter day saints do not believe or teach the gospel. They believe a false christ and false gods. Their teachings and beliefs are in no way compatible with what Christians believe. hey are not Christians. When we use the word Christian we refer to those who are born again and believe in the One true God. And there is only one way to the Father and that is through the son.

You can call a dog a cat, but it will be a dog, still look like a dog and bark like a dog.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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phil36 said:
It really is quite simple.

Latter day saints do not believe or teach the gospel. They believe a false christ and false gods. Their teachings and beliefs are in no way compatible with what Christians believe. hey are not Christians. When we use the word Christian we refer to those who are born again and believe in the One true God. And there is only one way to the Father and that is through the son.

You can call a dog a cat, but it will be a dog, still look like a dog and bark like a dog.
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Are the Mormon scriptures your reference concerning your knowledge of the teachings of the LDS church?
(How do you know what Mormon's believe?)
 
phil36

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PeacefulWarrior said:
Are the Mormon scriptures your reference concerning your knowledge of the teachings of the LDS church?
(How do you know what Mormon's believe?)
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The Mormon texts are not the same as the bible. Plus they don't just use the book of Mormon. I have the book of Mormon, I dont personally have the other writings (Doctrines and Covenants and the pearl of great price). These are freely available online.

I am not an expert, but I know enough to know that they believe in a false god. Therefore a false religion.
 
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kaylagrl

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PeacefulWarrior said:
"You either believe Christ or Smith" implies that you know their relationship with God and their messages. I do not know Joseph Smith's message--do you? Mormons claim his message only enhances Christ's message.
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Yes,I do. Ive read and studied on cults down through the years. Christ doesn't need His message enhanced. When He died on the cross He said "it is finished". There is nothing new after that,no new revelation. Mormonism is a cult.
 
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Someone brought me back to this thread, and I wish to address this issue above. Read my words, Tintin. God gave one religious system to this world and He took it away on the cross. God gave His Christians to the world, but He is not the God of this thing called Christendom, essentials or otherwise.

The gospel of your salvation, what essentials are declared by it? What must we believe to be saved by the gospel of the grace of God and become 'saints', sealed unto the day of redemption. Lies are believed in every church of Christendom, God does not demand creeds, sacraments, essentials, tenets of faith for us and our salvation, the doctrines of men do.

I used to have this book, full of great knowledge from theologians that I loved, there was a paragraph from Luther, said something along the lines of, let there be heresies of doctrines, let them come as they may, as long as the gospel remain pure among us all.
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You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. And you have a very low opinion of churches. Are you sure you're not Yet's wife? As for Christian faith essentials - well, you better be darn sure you're worshipping the Jesus Christ of the Bible and not some version of your own making. Tenets of the faith etc. help to see that there are some essentials that are necessary to be able to call oneself a Christian.
 
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The book of mormon is alot of old poo. Read Joseph Smiths background as a con man, and the way he professes the revelation came to him, then you will see that he and his revelation are ridiculous.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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phil36 said:
I am not an expert, but I know enough to know that they believe in a false god. Therefore a false religion.
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So where do you get your knowledge of these people's beliefs?
By what authority do you claim to have the ability to make a sweeping judgement against a group of 14+ million people--do you claim to know all of their hearts?

I'm not disagreeing with you--I'm challenging you to provide a reason for your opinion besides "take my word for it".
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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kaylagrl said:
Yes,I do. Ive read and studied on cults down through the years. Christ doesn't need His message enhanced. When He died on the cross He said "it is finished". There is nothing new after that,no new revelation. Mormonism is a cult.
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So, what's Joseph Smith's message?
What is it about Smith's message that is not Christ?
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Tintin said:
You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. And you have a very low opinion of churches. Are you sure you're not Yet's wife? As for Christian faith essentials - well, you better be darn sure you're worshipping the Jesus Christ of the Bible and not some version of your own making. Tenets of the faith etc. help to see that there are some essentials that are necessary to be able to call oneself a Christian.
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What does it mean to be "darn" sure--is that like "damned" sure?
 
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kaylagrl

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PeacefulWarrior said:
So, what's Joseph Smith's message?
What is it about Smith's message that is not Christ?
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He is adding to the Bible with his own message and revelation.Of course the Bible says to neither add or take away from Scripture.

And you remind me of my younger cousin,always taking the other side and asking questions. In his case I hope one day his questions lead him to be saved.
 
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kaylagrl

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So where do you get your knowledge of these people's beliefs?
By what authority do you claim to have the ability to make a sweeping judgement against a group of 14+ million people--do you claim to know all of their hearts?

I'm not disagreeing with you--I'm challenging you to provide a reason for your opinion besides "take my word for it".
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You can be sincere and be sincerely wrong. You can be right in your heart attitude and still wrong in your doctrine.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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kaylagrl said:
You can be sincere and be sincerely wrong. You can be right in your heart attitude and still wrong in your doctrine.
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I don't disagree with this statement--I don't see the relevance to the post you quoted.
 
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No! There is Only One Bible the- K,J, B
It's "Infalable & the "Inairint Word of God"
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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No! There is Only One Bible the- K,J, B
It's "Infalable & the "Inairint Word of God"
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I agree; the Bible is the perfect Word of God however, there are plenty of other reliable translations besides the KJV.
 
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No! There is Only One Bible the- K,J, B
It's "Infalable" & the "Inairint Word of God"
Years & years ago just about all people followed the Bible- very few beleave in it today. Y!-know one truly knows, other than there own thoughts. People aways say-"There 2 thing they don't talk about "taxes &.religion," that's
when I speak up an say "in God & Jesus I trust & Jesus is my personal lord & svier".
Now I'm not sure where the verse/s
are-
But heres what it says:
I am Alfa and Omega
The Begging and the Ending
The First and the Last
There is None like Me
I Am God
There is None Else
I Am God
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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baboo said:
No! There is Only One Bible the- K,J, B
It's "Infalable" & the "Inairint Word of God"
Years & years ago just about all people followed the Bible- very few beleave in it today. Y!-know one truly knows, other than there own thoughts. People aways say-"There 2 thing they don't talk about "taxes &.religion," that's
when I speak up an say "in God & Jesus I trust & Jesus is my personal lord & svier".
Now I'm not sure where the verse/s
are-
But heres what it says:
I am Alfa and Omega
The Begging and the Ending
The First and the Last
There is None like Me
I Am God
There is None Else
I Am God
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Revelation 22:13
Here's a link to the verse: https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rev/22/13/t_bibles_1189013

KJV is the 1st, with several other authentic and helpful parallel translations.
 
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tanakh

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Ugly said:
Mormonism is a cult that has very different ideas of Jesus and God and Satan, among other things. It is it's own separate religion (thought they try to claim to be Christians). Their religion is founded on a man, Joseph Smith, who told his story of how he got the book of Mormon, but every story he told was different. He was also a notorious liar, thief and conman.
The bible says not to add to, or take away from it, yet in a sense, that is what Mormons are doing.
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There is a view that the book of Mormon started life as a Historical Novel by some obscure would be Author that Joseph Smith came across and developed into what Mormons believe to be Scripture. You dont have to believe anything said about Mormonism on this site just check the Internet there are plenty of sites that will tell you that the religion is false and why.
 
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Well I do not think that a book and belief system thats wants you to wear ''Holy Undergarments'' for protection against evil and the other weird things they believe fits at all with the bible.. Its simply a cult and that doesnt fit just the way Jehovah witnesses dont.
 
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Demi777 said:
Well I do not think that a book and belief system thats wants you to wear ''Holy Undergarments'' for protection against evil and the other weird things they believe fits at all with the bible.. Its simply a cult and that doesnt fit just the way Jehovah witnesses dont.
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The Holy undergarments are enough to put most people off joining I would think. They keep quiet about that aspect during their recruiting though. I have heard that they never take them off!! Imaging the stink. I think it only applies to Men though.
 
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phil36 said:
It really is quite simple.

Latter day saints do not believe or teach the gospel. They believe a false christ and false gods. Their teachings and beliefs are in no way compatible with what Christians believe. hey are not Christians. When we use the word Christian we refer to those who are born again and believe in the One true God. And there is only one way to the Father and that is through the son.

You can call a dog a cat, but it will be a dog, still look like a dog and bark like a dog.
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Your right. That last bit reminds me of an old song by Cher I'm walking my Cat named Dog
 
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