I am seeking to meet a Christian Woman to Marry... (USA)

[28Man_Seeking_Wife]

I really could care less for the ridicule this post may elicit, and I am not asking for anyone's advice on making this post either...

If you are a woman in the United States seeking the same, private message me! I am a philosophy/theology grad student aiming to be a teacher. I am old fashioned, willing to be assertive and be the pursuer. As far as the type of person I am seeking, perhaps someone who hasn't bought into the lie of secular feminism which has destroyed marriage and family life in America? Someone witty, athletic, non-prudish... a folky-guitar singer? Okay I shouldn't be so specific, but the first for sure! I am not seeking an internet quickie-bride, I desire to get to know and befriend a young woman in real life to see if the Lord might bless the relationship with a lifelong vocation mirroring the nuptial (UNBREAKABLE) union between Christ and the Church.

 

[Nodmyheadlikeyeah]

DANG! I was about to send you a message until i read you are not interested in women you have bought the lie of secular feminism which has destroyed marriage and family life in America.

so close.....

 

[Animus]

DANG! I was about to send you a message until i read you are not interested in women you have bought the lie of secular feminism which has destroyed marriage and family life in America.

so close.....

But there is a question mark at the end, which means it is a question, which means he's asking you, which means you can make this requirement go away by answering, "No."

"As far as the type of person I am seeking, perhaps someone who hasn't bought into the lie of secular feminism which has destroyed marriage and family life in America?"

Or at the very least he is one solid argument away from changing his mind.

 

[Callmebadger]

Haven't even met the guy and you guys are already talking about trying to change him. I don't recall ever meeting a grad student in philosophy that was stupid; and I completely agree with him about his "controversial" point. Does that make me stupid, too?

I don't agree that women should have no rights, I doubt he does either. And I've never treated a woman less than she deserved. But It says clear as day in the Bible, multiple times, that wives are to be submissive. It doesn't take an educated theologian, which he also is by the way, to connect modern feminist sentiments with the decline of marriage and family life in recent years. Do not forget so quickly that Eve was made from the rib bone of Adam to be his companion and to support him.

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. - Ephesians 5:22-24

Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. - 1 Timothy 2:11-12

Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered. - 1 Peter 3:7

 

[28Man_Seeking_Wife]

But there is a question mark at the end, which means it is a question, which means he's asking you, which means you can make this requirement go away by answering, "No."

"As far as the type of person I am seeking, perhaps someone who hasn't bought into the lie of secular feminism which has destroyed marriage and family life in America?"

Or at the very least he is one solid argument away from changing his mind.

Actually Animus, the question mark was to pose a silent hypothetical as to whether such women can be found on this website (i.e. women who are not femi-natzis). Don't get me wrong, the fact that I oppose the lie and scourge of secular anti-Christian feminism with all it's pragmatic consequences in the culture- does not mean that I am not in utter amazement and admiration of FEMININITY in all it's full breadth and truth in God's design.

But if someone wants to give me a proper intelligent argument from the point of view of 'reason' and not 'angry emotion' as to why the ideology of secular-feminism (not to be confused with "Femininity conditioned by the intentions of the Divine Creator ") is in fact correct from a moral and theological Christian standpoint, I am all ears. If not, please do not hijack the intentions of my post. Here is a nice blog in case anyone is interested in reading about secular feminism called "ladies against feminism"... LAF/Beautiful Womanhood

 

[Nodmyheadlikeyeah]

But there is a question mark at the end, which means it is a question, which means he's asking you, which means you can make this requirement go away by answering, "No."

"As far as the type of person I am seeking, perhaps someone who hasn't bought into the lie of secular feminism which has destroyed marriage and family life in America?"

Or at the very least he is one solid argument away from changing his mind.

Thank you for clearing that up.

Let me try this again.

Hiiiii
Sorry about earlier, i buy into so many lies it's hard to keep them all straight. Ok, so when do you want to get married?? I'm free now actually.

P.s. Can Animus come to our wedding?

 

[28Man_Seeking_Wife]

@nodmyhead, as I prefaced in my post, I welcome your ridicule, it was to be expected. However, your sarcasm is not very clever since I specifically stated that I am not looking for a quick internet bride. So your belittlement is against a figment of your imagination, not to what I actually posted. This will be my last response to you, unless you have some intelligent criticism to offer against my desire to find a non-man-hating woman to befriend and possibly love. God bless you, my beautiful sister in Christ!

 

[Nodmyheadlikeyeah]

@nodmyhead, as I prefaced in my post, I welcome your ridicule, it was to be expected. However, your sarcasm is not very clever since I specifically stated that I am not looking for a quick internet bride. So your belittlement is against a figment of your imagination, not to what I actually posted. This will be my last response to you, unless you have some intelligent criticism to offer against my desire to find a non-man-hating woman to befriend and possibly love. God bless you, my beautiful sister in Christ!

Sooooo..... that's a no then??? <------- This is my sad face.

 

[just_monicat]

...you had me all the way up to internet quickie bride. shucks.

where do i sign up for that? ; p

 

[Animus]

Haven't even met the guy and you guys are already talking about trying to change him.

This is what women do! You know what they say, "Can't live with them"
Simple as that. One minute you're grilling steaks and the next you're painting nails!

 

[IloveyouGod]

I must say your post is so bold, to the point, pretty straight forward n' clear. You didn't come across as desperate but rather sharp n' I don't think you're stupid at all.

I have a lot of Philosophy and theology friends. I used to date a guy with PhD in both too. I don't like philosophy, but theology, yes, I do.

That's my personal opinion ladies and gentlemen. I'm definitely not interested in a guy that young who lives all the way in the States and is not willing to come over here to meet me.

I really could care less for the ridicule this post may elicit, and I am not asking for anyone's advice on making this post either...

If you are a woman in the United States seeking the same, private message me! I am a philosophy/theology grad student aiming to be a teacher. I am old fashioned, willing to be assertive and be the pursuer. As far as the type of person I am seeking, perhaps someone who hasn't bought into the lie of secular feminism which has destroyed marriage and family life in America? Someone witty, athletic, non-prudish... a folky-guitar singer? Okay I shouldn't be so specific, but the first for sure! I am not seeking an internet quickie-bride, I desire to get to know and befriend a young woman in real life to see if the Lord might bless the relationship with a lifelong vocation mirroring the nuptial (UNBREAKABLE) union between Christ and the Church.

 

[28Man_Seeking_Wife]

...you had me all the way up to internet quickie bride. shucks.

where do i sign up for that? ; p

I am sorry for the waste of time that I caused you ma'am. I should mention though that I posted in the "young adults" forum (I noticed that you are a number of years my senior)

 

[just_monicat]

I am sorry for the waste of time that I caused you ma'am. I should mention though that I posted in the "young adults" forum (I noticed that you are a number of years my senior)

um to be clear, i'm not looking for such a thing either. but since this isn't a dating site, i didn't think there was anything wrong with me making such a joke.

in fact, i have little doubt that you aren't aware that i was simply kidding.

while i'm not here to find a husband, but i suppose there are a myriad of intentions on such a place. if you're going to post a personals ad on a public forum, perhaps you ought to expect some good-natured humor?

nonetheless, i wish you the best on your search, truly. God Bless, brother. : )

 

[Lizathrose]

Contemporary feminism hasn't "destroyed marriage and family life." Social and cultural evolution progresses on behalf of a number of quantifiable variables, including society's political and economic climate, social liberalism and conservatism and the public sphere's reaction to these ideologies, the presence and proliferation of political countercultures, and the like. To assert that any one phenomenon in particular is responsible for the state of affairs of any broad societal construct, including marriage, is superficial -- and, in the OP's case, it's really rather hyperbolic. The implications of social feminism can be debated ad nauseum, and without any clear verdict, although there's no credible evidence to suggest that feminism in particular has "destroyed" anything from the perspective of mainstream political science.

I'd also have to disagree with the notion that contemporary feminism can be construed as a "lie." While it may be true that the notion of female social equality to males is arguably against Biblical scripture, the rights and liberties of women from within the context of a proper, secular democratic society inherently need to be addressed. Irrespective of one's religious preference, the philosophical concept of liberty and justice for all in any society that values equal rights should be upheld and respected in the highest degree. Whether or not the social ramifications of these rights and liberties can be construed as positive or negative is inconsequential so long as their impact isn't drastic enough to imminently threaten the safety and security of others. The ultimate goal of contemporary feminism, which is to realize nearly or totally absolute social, economic and political equality of both genders, is thus to the benefit of the objective of Western democratic society toward the ideal of freedom and justice for all.

What women do with themselves within the context of this society is then up to the woman in particular, and that's exactly how it should be. Period. And, to reiterate, countless variables besides contemporary feminism have to be accounted for in determining society's state of affairs from a social perspective, as well as the existence of global perspectives that offer interestingly comparative statistics and implications. It can't be stressed enough that there's no real evidence of contemporary feminism being an agent in the purported "destruction" of "marriage and family values" and the like.

 

[Tintin]

Contemporary feminism hasn't "destroyed marriage and family life." Social and cultural evolution progresses on behalf of a number of quantifiable variables, including society's political and economic climate, social liberalism and conservatism and the public sphere's reaction to these ideologies, the presence and proliferation of political countercultures, and the like. To assert that any one phenomenon in particular is responsible for the state of affairs of any broad societal construct, including marriage, is superficial -- and, in the OP's case, it's really rather hyperbolic. The implications of social feminism can be debated ad nauseum, and without any clear verdict, although there's no credible evidence to suggest that feminism in particular has "destroyed" anything from the perspective of mainstream political science.

I'd also have to disagree with the notion that contemporary feminism can be construed as a "lie." While it may be true that the notion of female social equality to males is arguably against Biblical scripture, the rights and liberties of women from within the context of a proper, secular democratic society inherently need to be addressed. Irrespective of one's religious preference, the philosophical concept of liberty and justice for all in any society that values equal rights should be upheld and respected in the highest degree. Whether or not the social ramifications of these rights and liberties can be construed as positive or negative is inconsequential so long as their impact isn't drastic enough to imminently threaten the safety and security of others. The ultimate goal of contemporary feminism, which is to realize nearly or totally absolute social, economic and political equality of both genders, is thus to the benefit of the objective of Western democratic society toward the ideal of freedom and justice for all.

What women do with themselves within the context of this society is then up to the woman in particular, and that's exactly how it should be. Period. And, to reiterate, countless variables besides contemporary feminism have to be accounted for in determining society's state of affairs from a social perspective, as well as the existence of global perspectives that offer interestingly comparative statistics and implications. It can't be stressed enough that there's no real evidence of contemporary feminism being an agent in the purported "destruction" of "marriage and family values" and the like.

Lizathrose, in other words, the so-called professionals know jack all about anything. The problem is sin. There are consequences of sin. Marriage is definitely under attack. If you can't see that, the 'professionals' have really done a number on you. How about coming to your own conclusions instead of parroting the teachings of some professor-type?

Hi 28Man, I can understand your desire for a wife. I even understand why you think Christian Chat is possibly a dating forum for Christians. I mean it's called Christian Chat, that does suggest such things. Still, their motto is Live International Fellowship, not Live International Courtship or something similar. That's not to say some haven't been lucky enough to find someone here but you do need to integrate yourself into the community more, before you go any further. Also, don't make dating/courtship you're focus while you're here. All the best, mate.

 

[Lizathrose]

It doesn't take an educated theologian, which he also is by the way, to connect modern feminist sentiments with the decline of marriage and family life in recent years.

Theology has nothing to do with the intrinsically social nature of the status of contemporary marriage and family structure. Theologians deal predominantly in spiritual matters pertaining to God and the nature of religious beliefs, not extrapolations from religious beliefs. Theology may offer an opinion on a given social matter, but it can't markedly associate anything without alluding to political science, demographics, or the like.

 

[Lizathrose]

Lizathrose, in other words, the so-called professionals know jack all about anything. The problem is sin. There are consequences of sin. Marriage is definitely under attack. If you can't see that, the 'professionals' have really done a number on you. How about coming to your own conclusions instead of parroting the teachings of some professor-type?

Ah, Tintin. You and I are going to have an interesting relationship in my tenure here.

You're free to present objective, valid evidence correlating a general decline in the health and status of families and marriages to contemporary iterations of feminism, or, perhaps more importantly on a broader scale, evidence that the modern and future state of such social entities as a result of feminism in particular is truly antithetical to the happiness and well-being of civilization as a whole. I very, very sincerely doubt you can. Assertions along the lines of "professionals know jack all" aren't particularly credible talking points for valid discussion.

 

[Tintin]

Theology has nothing to do with the intrinsically social nature of the status of contemporary marriage and family structure. Theologians deal predominantly in spiritual matters pertaining to God and the nature of religious beliefs, not extrapolations from religious beliefs. Theology may offer an opinion on a given social matter, but it can't markedly associate anything without alluding to political science, demographics, or the like.

Put down the academic textbooks and think things through properly. Look around you. Does what the textbooks, professors say about society, about anything, match up with the reality? No, it doesn't. Even something like Science relies on the belief that the universe is orderly and has a purpose. These beliefs are reliant on the Judeo-Christian faiths. In other words, you can't have Science without borrowing from the Judeo-Christian worldviews. As for society and the nature of society, it most definitely is informed by the truths found within the Bible. If the Bible really is God's Word, it's relevant to every facet of life. That's the way it is.

 

[Lizathrose]

Put down the academic textbooks and think things through properly. Look around you. Does what the textbooks, professors say about society, about anything, match up with the reality? No, it doesn't. Even something like Science relies on the belief that the universe is orderly and has a purpose. These beliefs are reliant on the Judeo-Christian faiths. In other words, you can't have Science without borrowing from the Judeo-Christian worldviews. As for society and the nature of society, it most definitely is informed by the truths found within the Bible. If the Bible really is God's Word, it's relevant to every facet of life. That's the way it is.

Er, actually, professional and reputable opinions concerning the state of society often do correspond quite accurately to reality. Political science dubs children out of wedlock the "superhighway to poverty," and it more or less is. Political science references the polarization of contemporary American politics as a key issue concerning Congressional gridlock in the United States, and that's pretty much true -- and painfully obvious. Political science asserts that a lack of a well-developed economic infrastructure is a major contributor to social decay, and it essentially is.

But, I digress. To reiterate, you're free to present objective, valid evidence correlating a general decline in the health and status of families and marriages to contemporary iterations of feminism. Or, if you'd like to argue that professional opinions have no bearing on reality, feel free to do so -- but you really must understand that merely asserting X or Y isn't tantamount to arguing a point in favor of X or Y. See where I'm coming from?

 

[Callmebadger]

How politically correct. No amount of rationalization is going to write away God's will, though. If your point is that because circumstances are different in contemporary times, think again. Every period in history has been markedly different from the previous one, or so the contemporary people thought. Regardless, God's truth withstands the changes of time. Perhaps you should quote scripture to prove your point rather than the teachings of a secular professor.

The ultimate goal of contemporary feminism, which is to realize nearly or totally absolute social, economic and political equality of both genders, is thus to the benefit of the objective of Western democratic society toward the ideal of freedom and justice for all.

You act as if we're attempting to obstruct that progress? Only in a perfect world would any of those objectives be met, but I commend them for trying. By the way, the document you're half-way quoting says "all men were created equal". Lol

What women do with themselves within the context of this society is then up to the woman in particular, and that's exactly how it should be. Period.

True. If you choose to follow the ideology that goes outside of God's planned framework, we won't stop you. The OP is looking for a Godly woman. If that description isn't met... uh, get out?

And, to reiterate, countless variables besides contemporary feminism have to be accounted for in determining society's state of affairs from a social perspective, as well as the existence of global perspectives that offer interestingly comparative statistics and implications. It can't be stressed enough that there's no real evidence of contemporary feminism being an agent in the purported "destruction" of "marriage and family values" and the like.

No need to reiterate, you've made your point multiple times already. I can't refute that if you're placing your chips in uncertainty, because it's uncertain what the cause(s) are; though, regardless, the whole matter is trivial anyway. We were only speculating. Just don't act as if global perspectives, with a record of being misconstrued themselves, is any type of justification.