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2ndTimothyGroup

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I must say, I believe sin is always a failure. Not on God of course, but a failure on Man's part. I do not believe sin is or was apart of God's plans. I believe God knew sin was going to be present and planned for it by activating the promise and principle of causing all things to work for our good (Rom 8:28) Just as He did with Joseph and the evil his brothers done to him (Gen 50:20), He also does with Israel and with any other situation in which we fail. So God used the failure to plan the redemption of the failure, but in my opinion He did not plan the failure. But we both know this is a deeper issue of how we see God's sovereignty, and I'd rather not get into that topic. It never goes well lol
Fair enough. I advise all people, however, to believe what the Bible says.

Best of luck to you.
 

Dymes

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Fair enough. I advise all people, however, to believe what the Bible says.

Best of luck to you.
Indeed. But just because we have a disagreement, it doesn't mean I or anyone else doesn't believe what the Bible says. We just disagree on how we interpret what it is saying. Although you would say, it clearly says this or that, then I would point to something else that contradicts that. Its perspective. Or, perhaps God has blinded me to the truth. And my failure to see the truth is Gods plan ;)
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Indeed. But just because we have a disagreement, it doesn't mean I or anyone else doesn't believe what the Bible says. We just disagree on how we interpret what it is saying. Although you would say, it clearly says this or that, then I would point to something else that contradicts that. Its perspective. Or, perhaps God has blinded me to the truth. And my failure to see the truth is Gods plan ;)
There is definitely an Eternal Plan pre-written upon a Heavenly Scroll. I would advise all people to stop with their current studies and learn what this Plan is. It's called the Gospel.