God's not dead movie

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TheAristocat

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Stein asked Dawkins one question, Dawkins answered, then Stein edited the footage to make it appear as if Dawkins was answering an entirely different question.

Please watch this video in its entirety (you might want to skip the first 5-10 seconds): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8btZ0KWFFBg
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Yeah, I should probably mention. YouTube's blocked where I live. I can see that as being potentially true, but a couple of things also make me skeptical. I've very briefly searched and found other supposed quote minings of Ben Stein's that were not quote mines at all. And due to the fact of there being spiritual atheists and also those who believe in Panspermia, it's not hard to imagine that some atheists are open to the possibility of ID. Whether or not that includes Dawkins depends on the context of his quotes. So I'll try to look it up.

This is false.
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Sorry, I should say he had an associate editor begin to work on the review process. As to how much he actually reviewed we're not told. But if you mean to say that the latter part of the claim is false then by all means list the evidence against Sternberg, because this claim is on his page.
 
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TheAristocat

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Eh. Still not finding anything on Ben Stein's supposed misquoting of Dawkins out of context. Searched through 17 pages of Dawkins' site, looking for the key word "Expel" and nothing. Nothing on the internet it seems besides that video either. Looked on YouKu. I'll continue the search later. Time for sleep. :eek:
 
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That movie was AWESOME. It is my favorite movie :p

What an ending tho! Praise God!

Mark: "You prayed and believed your whole life. Never done anything wrong. And here you are. You're the nicest person I know. I am the meanest. You have dementia. My life is perfect. Explain that to me!"

Mina's Mother: "Sometimes the devil allows people to live a life free of trouble because he doesn't want them turning to God. Their sin is like a jail cell, except it is all nice and comfy and there doesn't seem to be any reason to leave. The door's wide open. Till one day, time runs out, and the cell door slams shut, and suddenly it's too late."
 
Percepi

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XpP5jsg5kM

Even if you can't watch this video, others can. It's Richard Dawkins himself going over what was actually said.

Yeah, I should probably mention. YouTube's blocked where I live. I can see that as being potentially true, but a couple of things also make me skeptical. I've very briefly searched and found other supposed quote minings of Ben Stein's that were not quote mines at all. And due to the fact of there being spiritual atheists and also those who believe in Panspermia, it's not hard to imagine that some atheists are open to the possibility of ID. Whether or not that includes Dawkins depends on the context of his quotes. So I'll try to look it up.
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Yes, it is possible for atheists to believe in other variations of I.D. However, most do not.

Dawkins mentioned that Panspermia would be the most believable form of I.D., but he does not believe to be true.
 
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Spokenpassage said:
That movie was AWESOME. It is my favorite movie :p

What an ending tho! Praise God!

Mark: "You prayed and believed your whole life. Never done anything wrong. And here you are. You're the nicest person I know. I am the meanest. You have dementia. My life is perfect. Explain that to me!"

Mina's Mother: "Sometimes the devil allows people to live a life free of trouble because he doesn't want them turning to God. Their sin is like a jail cell, except it is all nice and comfy and there doesn't seem to be any reason to leave. The door's wide open. Till one day, time runs out, and the cell door slams shut, and suddenly it's too late."
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Incredibly powerful movie, and your'e right, the scene you quoted was simply brilliant!
 
TheAristocat

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Percepi said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XpP5jsg5kM

Even if you can't watch this video, others can. It's Richard Dawkins himself going over what was actually said.



Yes, it is possible for atheists to believe in other variations of I.D. However, most do not.

Dawkins mentioned that Panspermia would be the most believable form of I.D., but he does not believe to be true.
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Ah I see. Well, no problem then. All I was saying was that Dawkins, and atheists like him, were at least open to the idea of ID as opposed to the idea of there being a God. You don't need to believe something to be open to the possibility of it being true. Sorry for the miscommunication.

On the obverse, I think he's about as open to the idea of there being a God as he is to the idea of there being fairies.

Richard Dawkins said:
Well, it could come about in the following way. It could be that at some earlier time, somewhere in the universe, a civilization evolved, probably by some kind of Darwinian means, probably to a very high level of technology, and designed a form of life that they seeded onto perhaps this planet. Now, um, now that is a possibility, and an intriguing possibility. And I suppose it's possible that you might find evidence for that if you look at the details of biochemistry, molecular biology, you might find a signature of some sort of designer.
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I'm not sure if anyone here considers this a quote out of context, but the way I understand it is that Dawkins was commenting on the possibility of there being Intelligent Design - not necessarily that he believed in it. But with regard to God, he seems to have an archaic view of him as being some magical rain man in the sky who hurls bolts of lightning at people with a really bad aim. And that view of his cannot be reconciled with his perception of the modern world. Telling him that God is the originator of intelligently designed organisms is like telling him that pixies designed life. So suggesting to him that extraterrestrials designed life on the Earth is more believable to him at this point in our history.

But ID, in my understanding or lack thereof, has about as much to do with Christianity as Abiogenesis or Evolution have to do with atheism. Certainly you can look at either of those and make further deductions about the universe. But that sort of decision is up to you. I'm sure there are Deists out there who hold the Theory of Evolution to be gospel, but they also believe in some form of god.
 
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I've been meaning to watch Expelled for quite some time, thanks for the reminder!
 
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I'm not sure if anyone here considers this a quote out of context, but the way I understand it is that Dawkins was commenting on the possibility of there being Intelligent Design - not necessarily that he believed in it
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Stein asked him, "If the universe was intelligently designed, what are some other ways it could have come about?"

Dawkins wasn't saying it was a possibility, but that if it were possible, it could have come about in one of those ways.
 
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David_1 said:
Wow, it sounds ridiculous. But Hercules is in it so I wanna see it.
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That actually sounds awesome. Finally a movie about apologetics. And this is actually a realistic situation. I had professors who were not dictatorial exactly, but definitely tried to create an atmosphere that "Christians are dumb for their belief in God" in the classroom.

At least in that class I could choose not to mention religious themes in my essays. I'm so glad I went into engineering. Its mostly math and science. I almost never had to deal with this issue. Those poor people who took many classes in the liberal arts department had to deal with this stuff daily.
 
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TheAristocat

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Percepi said:
Stein asked him, "If the universe was intelligently designed, what are some other ways it could have come about?"

Dawkins wasn't saying it was a possibility, but that if it were possible, it could have come about in one of those ways.
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Just so we're both on the same page I'm going to list Dawkins's answer and then two of Ben Stein's original questions. Let me know which one Dawkins was actually answering with the answer of his that I list.

First, Dawkins' answer:

Richard Dawkins said:
Well, it could come about in the following way. It could be that at some earlier time, somewhere in the universe, a civilization evolved, probably by some kind of Darwinian means, probably to a very high level of technology, and designed a form of life that they seeded onto perhaps this planet. Now, um, now that is a possibility, and an intriguing possibility. And I suppose it's possible that you might find evidence for that if you look at the details of biochemistry, molecular biology, you might find a signature of some sort of designer.
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Now Question A of Ben Stein's:

Ben Stein said:
What do you think is the possibility that Intelligent Design might turn out to be the answer to some issues in genetics or in evolution?
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Now Question B of Ben Stein's:

Ben Stein said:
If the universe was intelligently designed, what are some other ways it could have come about?
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So which of the above questions of Ben Stein's was Dawkins answering? If you claim that it was Question B and can support this (sorry about the YouTube video), then I'll consider your claim. But even if it is Question B that Dawkins was answering, his answer covers a topic more specifically related to Question A. However, Question A does admittedly make Dawkins sound more involved in the topic of Intelligent Design, though it's still obvious he does not believe in it.
 
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Tonight's movie! The thread reminded me I wanted to watch it. First gonna go get some popcorn at the store...excited!
 
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I have not seen it yet but i so so soooo want too! It's like the movie is creating a world wide revival and winning souls for Christ :) iv
only heard good things
 
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