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TheLearner

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And Hobart Freeman (who agrees completely with your belief) was killed by a completely treatable infection that God Had "Healed him" of. Whether you like it or not, God isn't a "One trick pony". Hobart Freeman's "Body count" in his congregation was over 100 by time he died himself.
Miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves!!!

  1. John Osteen, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Houston - his wife, Dodie got liver cancer and through the mercy of God and medical attention survived.
  2. Frederick K. Price, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Los Angeles - his wife, Betty got cancer and was medically treated (chemo-therapy) and by the mercy of God was patched up.
  3. Jamie Buckingham, Discipleship Movement & charismatic author - died of cancer. Jamies too was under a medical doctors care.
  4. Charles Capps, Word of Faith teacher, teaches power of our words to create reality - his wife got cancer and was medically treated.
  5. John Wimber, Signs & Wonders Movement, author of "Power Healing," - just died from cancer. He too, was medically treated - no "power" healing for him, only chemo-therapy.
  6. Mack Timberlake, Word of Faith pastor - suffering from throat cancer, getting medical attention.
  7. R.W. Schambach, Faith Healer - got a quadruple heart bypass (from a real live human doctor)
  8. Dr. Hobart Freeman, Word of Faith teacher & pastor of Faith Assembly - over 90 people died in his church following his teaching and then Hobart died due to a medically treatable disease.
  9. Prophet Keith Grayton, Prophetic Movement - died of the complications of AIDS
    He spoke at our Church in Detroit, and declared he was totally healed. He died a year or so later.
  10. Kenneth Hagin, "father" of the Word of Faith Movement - sister died of cancer, (he wears glasses)
    Hagin's great faith and special anointing could not keep her on the planet.
  11. Katherine Khulman - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from heart disease in Ann Arbor Michigan.
    A.A. Allen - an acknowledged divine healer and exorcist DIED from alcohol & drug abuse.
    Aimee Semple McPherson - an acknowledge divine healer - died of a barbituate overdose. Why was she taking pills in the first place? Wasn't the "peace" of God enough for her?
    Jack Coe - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from disease.

Miracle workers who couldn't heal at all!

"Heal! I say, HEEAALL! Why don't you get up? Rise and walk you sinner, if you would confess, you wouldn't be crippled! If you don't have the faith to get up and walk...you deserve to be stuck right there!" so says Ken Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and other health, wealth, & prosperity teachers who claim to teach Biblical Christianity, but do they?.... Copeland goes on..."When I read in the Bible where He [God] says "I AM", I just smile and say, 'Yes, I AM too.'" (Believer's Voice of Victory Broadcast, 7/9/1987) "God intends for His people to be united, and, that union won't be based on doctrine [the Bible]" (Copeland - Believer's Voice... - 12/88).


The Pensacola News Journal. No medical proof of 'miraculous healings' Church does not keep records, Nov 20, 1997
By Kimberly Blair News Journal staff writer

PENSACOLA -Night after night, revival leaders tell the crowds that healings are occurring and growing more powerful. "I know now that we could all get to the place where the dead are raised," evangelist Steve Hill said in a November 1996 article in "Ministries Today," a magazine for Christian leaders. "We 're seeing miraculous healings, cancerous tumors disappear and drug addicts immediately delivered."

But the Brownsville Revival has not provided medical documentation of spontaneous healing and does not keep a file of names of people who say they were healed.

The News Journal found several people who say their conditions were healed or improved as a direct result of the revival, but none had medical proof.

Most stories are anecdotal. For example, Dave Collins, a charter bus owner from Oklahoma City, told the News Journal that a woman who rode on his bus brought her daughter to the revival to cure a rare disease that caused her daughter 's foot to turn backwards.

"The doctor was about to have the foot amputated. They went to revival and had an anointing healing service. The foot straightened out," Collins said.

No records

The News Journal could not interview the woman because Collins would not give her name or address. The church said it did not have her name because it does not keep records of the healings.

Many Brownsville Revival regulars and staff members believe the revival is on the brink of a breakthrough into wide-scale healings.

Brownsville church business administrator Rose Compton said she believes the healings will start very close to home, with pastor John Kilpatrick being miraculously healed from the injuries he suffered in a fall from the second story at his new house in Seminole, Ala., on Sept. 17.

His healing will signal the beginning of mass healings, she said.

Kilpatrick, however, told the News Journal during an interview three weeks ago that he is not being miraculously healed.

His medical records, which he permitted his doctor to release to the News Journal, confirm that. They show that his injuries are progressing at normal speed.

Kilpatrick did say, however, that many other people were being cured and healed at the revival.

"We have noticed more and more sick people coming in and saying their pain is leaving. We have had people healed of different things," he said. "Some of it is on video tapes."

Compton gave the News Journal one videotaped testimonial produced by a Lima, Ohio, Christian television program, "Turning Point." On the video, Lima resident Sandy Cornell, 44, says she "grew a new esophagus" after attending the revival earlier this year. Her husband, Clarence, asked the News Journal not to call her doctor for verification.

In another case, Rose Elrod, 61, of Oklahoma City told the News Journal she was healed of pancreatitis after attending the revival in September. "I 've been in and out of the hospital 20 times in the last couple of years," she said. "I was in constant pain and couldn 't eat anything." Friday, her third day at the revival, evangelist Steve Hill prayed for her, Elrod said, and she was slain in the spirit. "I laid on the floor 45 minutes with my hand raised," she said. "When I got up I was healed. You are talking about a woman who could hardly make a bed, clean my house, cook or eat. I couldn 't stand." She said she has talked to, but has not been examined by her physician, Dr. James Hogin, since the healing. Hogin, a gastroenterologist at Brookwood Medical Center in Oklahoma City, said he wants to see her. He wants to determine whether she is indeed improved or if she is undergoing a placebo effect.

God 's healing verifiable

"God 's healing is always verifiable," Hogin said. "With true healings, it is not that hard to confirm."

Essie Cox, 75, of Atmore, Ala., told the News Journal that six doctors at two different hospitals in Pensacola and Mobile told her she needed heart bypass surgery to unblock clogged arteries.

"I was prayed for on Saturday, Aug. 2, 1997. I didn 't feel anything immediately. I felt kind of woozy like," Cox said. "My husband kept telling me, 'You are healed.

Three days later, she woke up and felt a complete change, she said. "I had claimed the healing in my heart. I knew I was healed," she said.

Since the revival, Cox said, she has had very few problems with her heart. She is continuing to take her usual dosage of two kinds of heart medication and blood pressure medication, but she said she no longer takes daily nitroglycerin.

Cox 's doctor, Dr. J. Andrew Morrow Jr., with Cardiology Associates in Mobile, said the bypass surgery Cox talked about was an elective surgery and not a necessary procedure needed to maintain Cox 's health.

https://www.bible.ca/tongues-miracles-fake-pentecostal.htm
 

TheLearner

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Miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves!!!

  1. John Osteen, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Houston - his wife, Dodie got liver cancer and through the mercy of God and medical attention survived.
  2. Frederick K. Price, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Los Angeles - his wife, Betty got cancer and was medically treated (chemo-therapy) and by the mercy of God was patched up.
  3. Jamie Buckingham, Discipleship Movement & charismatic author - died of cancer. Jamies too was under a medical doctors care.
  4. Charles Capps, Word of Faith teacher, teaches power of our words to create reality - his wife got cancer and was medically treated.
  5. John Wimber, Signs & Wonders Movement, author of "Power Healing," - just died from cancer. He too, was medically treated - no "power" healing for him, only chemo-therapy.
  6. Mack Timberlake, Word of Faith pastor - suffering from throat cancer, getting medical attention.
  7. R.W. Schambach, Faith Healer - got a quadruple heart bypass (from a real live human doctor)
  8. Dr. Hobart Freeman, Word of Faith teacher & pastor of Faith Assembly - over 90 people died in his church following his teaching and then Hobart died due to a medically treatable disease.
  9. Prophet Keith Grayton, Prophetic Movement - died of the complications of AIDS
    He spoke at our Church in Detroit, and declared he was totally healed. He died a year or so later.
  10. Kenneth Hagin, "father" of the Word of Faith Movement - sister died of cancer, (he wears glasses)
    Hagin's great faith and special anointing could not keep her on the planet.
  11. Katherine Khulman - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from heart disease in Ann Arbor Michigan.
    A.A. Allen - an acknowledged divine healer and exorcist DIED from alcohol & drug abuse.
    Aimee Semple McPherson - an acknowledge divine healer - died of a barbituate overdose. Why was she taking pills in the first place? Wasn't the "peace" of God enough for her?
    Jack Coe - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from disease.

Miracle workers who couldn't heal at all!

"Heal! I say, HEEAALL! Why don't you get up? Rise and walk you sinner, if you would confess, you wouldn't be crippled! If you don't have the faith to get up and walk...you deserve to be stuck right there!" so says Ken Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and other health, wealth, & prosperity teachers who claim to teach Biblical Christianity, but do they?.... Copeland goes on..."When I read in the Bible where He [God] says "I AM", I just smile and say, 'Yes, I AM too.'" (Believer's Voice of Victory Broadcast, 7/9/1987) "God intends for His people to be united, and, that union won't be based on doctrine [the Bible]" (Copeland - Believer's Voice... - 12/88).


The Pensacola News Journal. No medical proof of 'miraculous healings' Church does not keep records, Nov 20, 1997
By Kimberly Blair News Journal staff writer

PENSACOLA -Night after night, revival leaders tell the crowds that healings are occurring and growing more powerful. "I know now that we could all get to the place where the dead are raised," evangelist Steve Hill said in a November 1996 article in "Ministries Today," a magazine for Christian leaders. "We 're seeing miraculous healings, cancerous tumors disappear and drug addicts immediately delivered."

But the Brownsville Revival has not provided medical documentation of spontaneous healing and does not keep a file of names of people who say they were healed.

The News Journal found several people who say their conditions were healed or improved as a direct result of the revival, but none had medical proof.

Most stories are anecdotal. For example, Dave Collins, a charter bus owner from Oklahoma City, told the News Journal that a woman who rode on his bus brought her daughter to the revival to cure a rare disease that caused her daughter 's foot to turn backwards.

"The doctor was about to have the foot amputated. They went to revival and had an anointing healing service. The foot straightened out," Collins said.

No records

The News Journal could not interview the woman because Collins would not give her name or address. The church said it did not have her name because it does not keep records of the healings.

Many Brownsville Revival regulars and staff members believe the revival is on the brink of a breakthrough into wide-scale healings.

Brownsville church business administrator Rose Compton said she believes the healings will start very close to home, with pastor John Kilpatrick being miraculously healed from the injuries he suffered in a fall from the second story at his new house in Seminole, Ala., on Sept. 17.

His healing will signal the beginning of mass healings, she said.

Kilpatrick, however, told the News Journal during an interview three weeks ago that he is not being miraculously healed.

His medical records, which he permitted his doctor to release to the News Journal, confirm that. They show that his injuries are progressing at normal speed.

Kilpatrick did say, however, that many other people were being cured and healed at the revival.

"We have noticed more and more sick people coming in and saying their pain is leaving. We have had people healed of different things," he said. "Some of it is on video tapes."

Compton gave the News Journal one videotaped testimonial produced by a Lima, Ohio, Christian television program, "Turning Point." On the video, Lima resident Sandy Cornell, 44, says she "grew a new esophagus" after attending the revival earlier this year. Her husband, Clarence, asked the News Journal not to call her doctor for verification.

In another case, Rose Elrod, 61, of Oklahoma City told the News Journal she was healed of pancreatitis after attending the revival in September. "I 've been in and out of the hospital 20 times in the last couple of years," she said. "I was in constant pain and couldn 't eat anything." Friday, her third day at the revival, evangelist Steve Hill prayed for her, Elrod said, and she was slain in the spirit. "I laid on the floor 45 minutes with my hand raised," she said. "When I got up I was healed. You are talking about a woman who could hardly make a bed, clean my house, cook or eat. I couldn 't stand." She said she has talked to, but has not been examined by her physician, Dr. James Hogin, since the healing. Hogin, a gastroenterologist at Brookwood Medical Center in Oklahoma City, said he wants to see her. He wants to determine whether she is indeed improved or if she is undergoing a placebo effect.

God 's healing verifiable

"God 's healing is always verifiable," Hogin said. "With true healings, it is not that hard to confirm."

Essie Cox, 75, of Atmore, Ala., told the News Journal that six doctors at two different hospitals in Pensacola and Mobile told her she needed heart bypass surgery to unblock clogged arteries.

"I was prayed for on Saturday, Aug. 2, 1997. I didn 't feel anything immediately. I felt kind of woozy like," Cox said. "My husband kept telling me, 'You are healed.

Three days later, she woke up and felt a complete change, she said. "I had claimed the healing in my heart. I knew I was healed," she said.

Since the revival, Cox said, she has had very few problems with her heart. She is continuing to take her usual dosage of two kinds of heart medication and blood pressure medication, but she said she no longer takes daily nitroglycerin.

Cox 's doctor, Dr. J. Andrew Morrow Jr., with Cardiology Associates in Mobile, said the bypass surgery Cox talked about was an elective surgery and not a necessary procedure needed to maintain Cox 's health.

https://www.bible.ca/tongues-miracles-fake-pentecostal.htm
new thread here https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/miracle-workers-who-couldnt-heal-themselves.213037/
 

Sid

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No, no, no, my beloved brother. The bold and underline sentences in your message are wrong. Do you think that GOD ALMIGHTY who is LOVE is happy to see His children suffering with sickness? As a Father yourself, are you happy to see your children suffering with sickness or the children of others? No father or mother will be happy to see his/her children suffering with sickness. If human beings who are wicked are not happy to see any of their children suffering with sickness then how much more about GOD ALMIGHTY our HOLY FATHER who is LOVE HIMSELF, do you think HE is happy to see His children suffering with sickness? He has done with sickness. "by his wounds you have been healed. 1 Peter 2:24 "... " Past tense. If you refuse to believe the Word then you will suffer like others but those who have chosen to believe the Word as it is are walking in divine health. They don't need healing from anybody. They know that sickness has been dealt with 2000 years ago but JESUS CHRIST.

Concerning Job, he was the cause of his own calamity with his mouth.

Our RIGHTEOUS FATHER love us so much and HE doesn't want us to suffer with sickness.
Thanks,
JESUS IS LORD.
Yes. I agree.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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Now let me explain to you according to the Word of GOD that Job was the caused for his own problem.
Since you apparently don't know what Job's problem was, you need to pay more attention to the book. Behemoth (job's tendency to do things in his OWN STRENGTH rather that trusting God), and Leviathan Job's personal PRIDE) were what God was after, and Job's ORDEAL exposed both of them so that he could REPENT (Job 42:6)
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'Word of FAITH" (actually "Word of presumption") folks are always after "Negative professions" and magic words that "Have power".