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...shills to monitor chat rooms, disrupt article comment sections

(NaturalNews) You've probably run into them before -- those seemingly random antagonizers who always end up diverting the conversation in an online chat room or article comment section away from the issue at hand, and towards a much different agenda. Hot-button issues like illegal immigration, the two-party political system, the "war on terror" and even alternative medicine are among the most common targets of such attackers, known as internet "trolls" or "shills," who in many cases are nothing more than paid lackeys hired by the federal government and other international organizations to sway and ultimately control public opinion.

Several years ago, Canada's CTV News aired a short segment about how its own government had been exposed for hiring secret agents to monitor social media and track online conversations, as well as the activities of certain dissenting individuals. This report, which in obvious whitewashing language referred to such activities as the government simply "weighing in and correcting" allegedly false information posted online, basically admitted that the Canadian government had assumed the role of secret online police. At the time, this was a great unknown to the general Canadian public.

You can view this CTV News segment here:
http://youtube.com

Of course, the same type of online patrolling by the government is also happening in the U.S., particularly from the CIA and its infamous In-Q-Tel program. At a 2012 summit, former CIA director David Petraeus essentially admitted that the CIA has a covert online presence that it uses not only for data mining purposes but also to infiltrate online conversations for the purpose of protecting "national security" interests. Such interests, it turns out, include disrupting conversations that discuss topics like 9/11 truth, for instance, or U.S. involvement in giving weapons to Syrian rebels.

According to Occupy Corporatism, the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), which was recently exposed by American hero and whistleblower Edward Snowden for its illegal surveillance programs, has devised a training program that literally scouts out hackers from American colleges and universities and recruits them to work for the government. Among the many duties sought from those enrolled in the National Centers of Academic Excellence in the Cyber Operations Program are "collection, exploitation, and response" activities to take place in the online environment.

"These 'cyber operators' are trained to become an elite team of 'computer geniuses' that are experts in computer hacking, digital communications, cyber intelligence -- for the purpose of spying on Americans, as well as conducting interactive digital psy-ops with users of the internet," explains Occupy Corporatism about the program.

You can view the actual NSA announcement admitting this here:
http://www.nsa.gov

Alleged former 'shill' admits that trolling operations are real

Then there is the occasional confession by a former employee of the government who fesses up about what is really taking place in secret behind the scenes. A recent public posting on a "conspiracy theory" forum -- conspiracy websites are typically the most heavily targeted by government officials -- admits that individuals are constantly being recruited and hired by shadowy groups and government-affiliated agencies to manipulate online discussions.

"Shills exist," writes this anonymous ex-shill following a lengthy explanation of how he was hand-selected to pose as a normal commenter and basically lie on forums and in comment sections. "They are real. They walk among you ... You should be aware of this," he adds.

It should be noted that the alternative news website where this confession was recently re-posted was asked by the conspiracy website where it was originally posted to take it down, claiming that it is "libelous and utterly false," even though it does not name any specific names or identify who is behind these and other shill operations. When asked for an explanation, the conspiracy website in question simply stopped responding.
 
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Though it certainly would not surprise me, as every government engages in political propaganda, you have not proven your assertion.

An NSA page explaining that they work with universities (something they've always done long before the Internet was available to the public), in this case for cyber-security reasons and a link to a Natural News article doesn't prove your assertion. Not even close.

You'll have to do much better than this.
 
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I have already thought of this I wouldn't doubt it at all.
 
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You'll need to cite an actual news source, rather than the credulous rag that is NaturalNews.
 
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TROLL

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[SUP][/SUP] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[SUP][/SUP] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[SUP][/SUP] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
 
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Thanks PoxEclipse, I suspected this practice was occurring some years ago, and in recent months, have seen confirmation in admissions from former paid shills, as you mention.

I really don't understand how some people can be so blind to the obvious, and have such unrealistic expectations of proof before willing to accept its even happening. I can imagine the same people with uniformed, armed men appearing all over their neighbourhood, yet not believing they are being invaded as they haven't seen an official declaration of war signed by the appropriate dignitaries of the alleged invading country.
 
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DISINFORMATION

Black propaganda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Black propaganda is false information and material that purports to be from a source on one side of a conflict, but is actually from the opposing side. It is typically used to vilify, embarrass or misrepresent the enemy.[SUP][1][/SUP] Black propaganda contrasts with grey propaganda, the source of which is not identified, and white propaganda, in which the real source is declared and usually more accurate information is given, albeit slanted, distorted and omissive. Black propaganda is covert in nature in that its aims, identity, significance, and sources are hidden.

The major characteristic of black propaganda is that the people are not aware that someone is trying to influence them, and do not feel that they are being pushed in a certain direction.[SUP][2][/SUP] Black propaganda purports to emanate from a source other than the true source. This type of propaganda is associated with covert psychological operations.[SUP][3][/SUP] Sometimes the source is concealed or credited to a false authority and spreads lies, fabrications, and deceptions. Black propaganda is the "big lie," including all types of creative deceit.[SUP][4][/SUP] Black propaganda relies on the willingness of the receiver to accept the credibility of the source. If the creators or senders of the black propaganda message do not adequately understand their intended audience, the message may be misunderstood, seem suspicious, or fail altogether.[SUP][4][/SUP]

Governments will generally conduct black propaganda operations for two different reasons. First, by using black propaganda a government is more likely to succeed in convincing their target audience that the information that they are seeking to influence them with is disguised and that its motivations are not apparent. Second, there are diplomatic reasons behind the use of black propaganda. Black propaganda is necessary to obfuscate a government's involvement in activities that may be detrimental to its foreign policies.[SUP][5][/SUP]
 
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It started with Bush and has only expanded under Obama, so much about a transparent presidency. Where idealism ends is where reality begins!
 
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Nothing is quite as it seems that goes for many people as well.Some genuinely love to expose the truth and,some only use skilled tactics to destroy it,even in subtle ways.
 
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So all those news articles citing anonymous sources for Syrian troops using chemical weapons against the rebels that go about eating their enemies and slaughtering Christian villagers, is an example of grey propaganda?

I think these war-mongers really need to get some new script writers. I mean, sure, plenty of those high on fluoride, medications and TV might be taken in, but what about the rest of us? We pay our taxes - don't we deserve better than what we would be disappointed to see at a low-budget flick?

(Disclaimer: I'm not making light of the tragedy that is befalling Syrian Christians and other Syrian people like you and I, as their country is destabilised. I am making light of the lies we are told to justify extending this bloodshed, by prolonging or possibly reversing, the defeat of the terrorists invading Syria).
 
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I echo the sentiments others have about Natural News. I don't listen to anything Natural News has to say without a thorough study of what it is they are claiming. I can't tell you how many times I've been sent a link to an article on that site by someone, or seen one posted on a form, etc. I always check their sources and half the time they are misquoting the source or using a source just as dubious.

But, Natural News aside, this rumor has been circulating around for a while, and I believe it has merit. I don't think they are using universities to do it though. They are probably just using regular government employees. They push paper all day, it's not hard to tell them to join certain forums and post some bad info once a day. I promise you the feds are monitoring websites about drug abuse or militia groups, and about firearms owners. MIAC report any one?

Plus, Businesses do this all the time. They hire spammers to send destitute work slaves (not literal slaves, but economic ones) to post garbage on message boards and blogs with link backs. That's the most obvious way.

The more clever way is to actually get one or two people who have a background in marketing to start a fake grassroots campaign. The beauty of that way is that other people latch on to the fake group and then they don't even have to generate original content any more, the members of this supposed "grassroots organization" do it for them!

And unrelated, but the work slaves thing is real in a way. In China they have been known to force inmates to play online MMO games just to sell the accounts and items. The guards make good money doing this, and everyone looks the other way.
 
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this is around the third or fourth time that this accusation has come up...and it is nothing more than an attempt by the conspiracy slanderists to reject anyone who dissents from their delusions...

the same thing goes on in spiritually abusive charismatic circles...where anyone who disagrees is labelled a 'jezebel spirit'...

well the truth is people aren't disagreeing with conspiracy slanderists because they are government hired trolls...they are disagreeing because the conspiracy slanderists are misinformed and depraved...
 
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well the truth is people aren't disagreeing with conspiracy slanderists because they are government hired trolls...they are disagreeing because the conspiracy slanderists are misinformed and depraved...
Can you prove it?
 
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i can and have...read some of the other discussions on this site...the falsity of conspiracy theory is a settled issue...

this should be obvious from the fact that the conspiracy slanderists have desperately started putting forth conspiracy theories to explain why people always come along to prove them wrong...
 
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i can and have...read some of the other discussions on this site...the falsity of conspiracy theory is a settled issue...

this should be obvious from the fact that the conspiracy slanderists have desperately started putting forth conspiracy theories to explain why people always come along to prove them wrong...
There are a lot of crackpot conspiracies out there. There are also quite a few with very solid evidence backing them. Look at all of the occult symbolism in Washington DC, on the US dollar, in some "churches."

Are you dismissing every single one of them, or just some?
 
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Are you dismissing every single one of them, or just some?
From her statement, she is dismissing all of them. She is well and truly a coincidence theorist. :D

Its an interesting point to note, but in my experience, you can often tell who is right, and who is wrong, simply by the debating style they adopt. The people in the wrong will most usually resort to personal insults, intimidation, condescension etc. to justify their belief. The people in the right have no need to. I noticed this first when watching creation/evolution debates.
 
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There are a lot of crackpot conspiracies out there. There are also quite a few with very solid evidence backing them. Look at all of the occult symbolism in Washington DC, on the US dollar, in some "churches."

Are you dismissing every single one of them, or just some?
i am dismissing the vast majority of them...including at least one that you listed here...

i will also point out that occultism does not necessarily imply the presence of a conspiracy...
 
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From her statement, she is dismissing all of them. She is well and truly a coincidence theorist. :D

Australia.jpg

Its an interesting point to note, but in my experience, you can often tell who is right, and who is wrong, simply by the debating style they adopt. The people in the wrong will most usually resort to personal insults, intimidation, condescension etc. to justify their belief. The people in the right have no need to. I noticed this first when watching creation/evolution debates.
Here's an average IQ map of the world--Australians have one of the world's lowest IQ on average.

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Is it conspiracy or coincidence?

File:AverageIQ-Map-World.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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That Wiki map is a bunch of hogwash. Lynn’s estimates are unreliable. For an accurate estimation of IQ by nation see IQ and the Wealth of Nations.

IQ and the Wealth of Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's the ranking as of April 28, 2013:

Countries with the Highest / Lowest Average IQ | Statistic Brain

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[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Hong Kong[/TD]
[TD]107[/TD]
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[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]South Korea[/TD]
[TD]106[/TD]
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[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Japan[/TD]
[TD]105[/TD]
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[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Taiwan[/TD]
[TD]104[/TD]
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[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Singapore[/TD]
[TD]103[/TD]
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[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Austria[/TD]
[TD]102[/TD]
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[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Germany[/TD]
[TD]102[/TD]
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[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[TD]102[/TD]
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[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Netherlands[/TD]
[TD]102[/TD]
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[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Sweden[/TD]
[TD]101[/TD]
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[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Switzerland[/TD]
[TD]101[/TD]
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[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Belgium[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
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[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]China[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
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[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]New Zealand[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
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[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]United Kingdom[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
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[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Hungary[/TD]
[TD]99[/TD]
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[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Poland[/TD]
[TD]99[/TD]
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[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Spain[/TD]
[TD]99[/TD]
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[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]Australia[/TD]
[TD]98[/TD]
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[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]Denmark[/TD]
[TD]98[/TD]
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[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[TD]98[/TD]
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[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]Mongolia[/TD]
[TD]98[/TD]
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[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]Norway[/TD]
[TD]98[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]United States[/TD]
[TD]98[/TD]
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[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]Canada[/TD]
[TD]97[/TD]
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[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]Czech Republic[/TD]
[TD]97[/TD]
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[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]Finland[/TD]
[TD]97[/TD]
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[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Equatorial Guinea[/TD]
[TD]59[/TD]
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[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Ethiopia[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
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[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Sierra Leone[/TD]
[TD]64[/TD]
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[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Democratic Republic of the Congo[/TD]
[TD]65[/TD]
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[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Zimbabwe[/TD]
[TD]66[/TD]
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[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Guinea[/TD]
[TD]66[/TD]
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[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Nigeria[/TD]
[TD]67[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Ghana[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Sudan[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
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Here's an average IQ map of the world--Australians have one of the world's lowest IQ on average.
I was at the point of complaining about your IQ map, until I saw it had Australia highlighted in nice, dark red. Well done sir! From my experience, your map is quite accurate. :D

Although, after watching PoxEclipse's video about infanticide, it seems that at least the average IQ (in Washington DC?, if not the rest of that country), is not much higher.

http://christianchat.com/conspiracy...um/71348-what-has-usa-become.html#post1156873