AI (Artificial Intelligence) and the Image of the Beast (Antichrist)

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If the covenant was with Israel, or Jacob, or Judah or Ephraim I would agree with you. But the covenant is confirmed with the many. The Bible never refers to Israel as "the many", but it does refer to the Nations and the Gentiles and the Kings of the Earth in this way.
Daniel mourned and confessed the sins of Israel to the Lord.

Daniel 9
[1] In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;
[2] In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
[3] And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:

While Daniel was praying and mourning, the Angel Gabriel then appeared to Daniel to give him understanding.

Daniel 9
[20] And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;
[21] Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
[22] And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
[23] At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

Next, Gabriel explains to him that 70 weeks of punishment is determined for the sins of the children of Israel.

Daniel 9
[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people [the descendant's of Israel] and upon thy holy city [Jerusalem], to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Finally, Gabriel explains to Daniel that "the covenant with many" for one week (seven years), which is Israel's last and final week (70th week) of punishment for their sins, will consummate with the abomination of desolation in the middle of the week. This prophecy has nothing to do with the Church.

Daniel 9
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 

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I don't understand your viewpoint, as he causes the image to speak and to be worshiped.

Revelation 13
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
The "he" is singular in scripture....
Ummmm....do you really understand how AI works at all. Just asking.
 

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Daniel mourned and confessed the sins of Israel to the Lord.

Daniel 9

While Daniel was praying and mourning, the Angel Gabriel then appeared to Daniel to give him understanding.
Daniel, like many of the OT prophets, did not understand that the gospel would go to the Gentiles.

Next, Gabriel explains to him that 70 weeks of punishment is determined for the sins of the children of Israel.
Paul explains to us that branches were broken off so that we, the wild olive tree, could be grafted in.

Finally, Gabriel explains to Daniel that "the covenant with many" for one week (seven years), which is Israel's last and final week (70th week) of punishment for their sins, will consummate with the abomination of desolation in the middle of the week. This prophecy has nothing to do with the Church.
The New Testament is the covenant that is made with the many. It has everything to do with the church. The Antichrist is the "counterfeit" Christ so he also makes a covenant with the many, that is, the nations.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Antichrist is a fraud, the covenant is a scam, perfectly aligned with both the OT and the NT.
 

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Daniel, like many of the OT prophets, did not understand that the gospel would go to the Gentiles.



Paul explains to us that branches were broken off so that we, the wild olive tree, could be grafted in.



The New Testament is the covenant that is made with the many. It has everything to do with the church. The Antichrist is the "counterfeit" Christ so he also makes a covenant with the many, that is, the nations.


Antichrist is a fraud, the covenant is a scam, perfectly aligned with both the OT and the NT.
I do not agree with your line of reasoning. You and I are on a completely different spectrum. As such, I can see where the upcoming UN meeting to commit to seven years of accelerated implementation of their 2030 goals has lead you down the path of believing it might be the "covenant with many". The only thing of interest that I see is that it's for seven years; aside from that, there is nothing there that indicates that it meets the prophecy given to Daniel. We will just have to see.
 

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I do not agree with your line of reasoning. You and I are on a completely different spectrum. As such, I can see where the upcoming UN meeting to commit to seven years of accelerated implementation of their 2030 goals has lead you down the path of believing it might be the "covenant with many". The only thing of interest that I see is that it's for seven years; aside from that, there is nothing there that indicates that it meets the prophecy given to Daniel. We will just have to see.
I believe we will have confirmation one way or another before then, I think that the "counterfeit" christ will have a ministry that mimics the Lord's. Jesus declared the jubilee year at the start of His ministry on the Day of Atonement. On a jubilee year they are the same as the Feast of Trumpets. I suspect that September 25th would be the start of the Antichrist ministry and it would be proceeded by the 40 days of fasting when Jesus was in the wilderness. I would also think that the pre tribulation rapture would be at the same time Jesus was baptized. At that time the Holy Spirit which left when man sinned in the garden returned and rested on man. It would make sense that the Holy Spirit would once again leave (Paul describes the Spirit as the restrainer stepping aside) so that Antichrist could be revealed (his baptism experience).

Therefore I would think by the 18th of August I would be reassessing if there is no rapture.

However, I also think the ten nations who are going to be creating the BRICS currency are the ten kings who get to rule for one hour with the beast. I watched a secular discussion of this talking about how BRICS was going to "dethrone king dollar". Since I think that the tribulation starts on the day of Atonement, I can certainly see this currency being given power at that point.

I also see that Israel is going to sacrifice the Red Heifers prior to Passover. Since they must be sacrificed at a certain age they aren't going to wait any longer. I have heard various theories on how long it would take to rebuild the temple (it is supposed to be prefabricated, so it could be surprisingly quick). However, one theory is that they have the original tabernacle and will be erecting the tent at first, that means this coming Passover we could see the Tabernacle up for the Jews from around the world to come and worship.

We have also seen that all the pieces are in place for a world currency.

I think people don't appreciate how big a change the rapture will bring to the world. I think it will coincide with God's judgement on the Great Babylon (the US) and that after that judgement the US will no longer exist as a world power of any sort. So this will be like rocket fuel for the new world currency and the mark of the beast.
 
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I read about what triggers this war in the Bible. 1 Nuclear Strike against Moscow. Lookin Close?
if Zelensky had nukes he'd have used them against Moscow by now, but our western governments have had the good sense not to equip him with such toys..:)
Putin seems to have dug in now to protect his gains, so Zelensky will just be knocking his head against that fortified border without a chance of winning the war, even though our govts are supplying him with weapons, but in such a war of attrition he's going to run out of troops long before the much bigger Russian army does.
My suggestion to end the war is for Zel to realise he can't win and leave Putin alone; the people of east Ukraine are pro-Russian anyway and welcomed Putin in with open arms.
Western observers know Zel can't win.

This from an article by Max Hastings in The Times earlier in 2023-

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I believe that the Abraham Accords may be "the covenant with many" once the anti-christ confirms it. Israel is directly involved, unlike the upcoming UN 2030 Agenda.
 

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I believe that the Abraham Accords may be "the covenant with many" once the anti-christ confirms it. Israel is directly involved, unlike the upcoming UN 2030 Agenda.
The Abraham Accords are a treaty to normalize relations with Israel. You think they will put in a passage that it is only for a seven year period and that is what the UN will confirm?
 

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A 7 Year Covenant with Many Confirmed? U.N. Summit September 18 2023 | Prophecy Update 2023

 
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If Zelensky had nukes, Russian never would've invaded.
Ironically Ukraine had the chance to join NATO some years ago but dragged their feet.
If they had joined NATO, Putin wouldn't have dared invaded for fear of triggering WW3..:)

PS- and even if a NATO member is invaded, there's no guarantee other NATO countries would come to their aid; that was proven when Argentina invaded the Falklands, but America and other NATO "allies" left NATO member Britain to go it alone.
 

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Ironically Ukraine had the chance to join NATO some years ago but dragged their feet.
If they had joined NATO, Putin wouldn't have dared invaded for fear of triggering WW3..:)

PS- and even if a NATO member is invaded, there's no guarantee other NATO countries would come to their aid; that was proven when Argentina invaded the Falklands, but America and other NATO "allies" left NATO member Britain to go it alone.
This is not true.
Ukraine never has had enough money to join NATO. It's been too poor. NATO membership has requirements that Ukraine simply couldn't afford. Mostly because it's economy has been plagued by corruption from Russians on every level.

People make these assumptions about how the western European nations just want to park nuclear weapons in Ukraine....nothing could be further from the truth. Nuclear weapons need regular maintenance and staff to maintain their readiness and protection from theft. They are highly sophisticated gizmos that are very expensive. All electronics have a shelf life especially with the modern way they are manufactured today.

Most of NATO is focused on defensive weapons and not offensive weapons and troops. Yes, there's a massive difference in training and tactics and equipment. NATO is about access denial weaponry and troop training. Despite the huge amount of propaganda otherwise....there is no invasion techniques or equipment that NATO nations train with.
(Which is why NATO is short on de-mining equipment)

NUCLEAR weapons are one of the worst and last weapons considered in warfare. Because the real goal of modern warfare that has proved to be the most successful is stopping your opponent from having the ability to make war. War is difficult and hard. The West has been the most successful by using this as a goal and tactic. Killing people and destroying cities is not the goal. (Major reason why Russia is a loser nation and continues to be)
 

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The Abraham Accords are a treaty to normalize relations with Israel. You think they will put in a passage that it is only for a seven year period and that is what the UN will confirm?
You and I have differing views. The anti-christ is the one to confirm "the covenant with many" directly with Israel; and the UN is not the anti-christ, though it has an anti-christ spirit. The Beast (anti-christ) of Revelation (the same in Daniel 8:23) is a man who will soon rise to power in the world, and Israel will see him as their messiah.

Daniel 8
[23] And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
[24] And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
[25] And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Now, notice what Jesus said when speaking to the unbelieving Jews. He is referencing the false messiah that the Jews will receive.

John 5
[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me [Jesus].
[40] And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
[41] I receive not honour from men.
[42] But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
[43] I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. (KJV)
 

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You and I have differing views. The anti-christ is the one to confirm "the covenant with many" directly with Israel; and the UN is not the anti-christ, though it has an anti-christ spirit. The Beast (anti-christ) of Revelation (the same in Daniel 8:23) is a man who will soon rise to power in the world, and Israel will see him as their messiah.

Daniel 8
[23] And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
[24] And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
[25] And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Now, notice what Jesus said when speaking to the unbelieving Jews. He is referencing the false messiah that the Jews will receive.

John 5
[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me [Jesus].
[40] And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
[41] I receive not honour from men.
[42] But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
[43] I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. (KJV)
You didn't answer my question. I am very aware of the theory that the covenant which is confirmed is a peace treaty allowing the Jews to rebuild the temple. My question is, do you think that the "many" are going to confirm a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years? How exactly does that work? It is OK with us that you rebuild your temple but we are only giving you seven years and then it isn't OK?

It seems to me a seven year covenant is a temporary covenant. That is like "emergency measures" they are always sold to you as "temporary". Martial law -- temporary. Pandemic shutdown -- temporary.

A peace treaty that is temporary is not a peace treaty, it is a cease fire.
 

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Just for clarity, I believe that the soon-coming anti-christ will be part of the UN leadership, even possibly becoming the Secretary-General. Emmanuel Macron of France has all the markers to be this man of sin, i.e., anti-christ. Just my viewpoint. Time will tell.
 

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Just for clarity, I believe that the soon-coming anti-christ will be part of the UN leadership, even possibly becoming the Secretary-General. Emmanuel Macron of France has all the markers to be this man of sin, i.e., anti-christ. Just my viewpoint. Time will tell.
All the markers? Did you see

 
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Search about 2000 years of church history and you’ll see generation after generation who were convinced their events mirrored the end times, and something in their time was the fulfillment of 666, the beast, etc. All of them wrong. But our generation is THE special one. We’re too important to be wrong too.
 

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You didn't answer my question. I am very aware of the theory that the covenant which is confirmed is a peace treaty allowing the Jews to rebuild the temple. My question is, do you think that the "many" are going to confirm a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years? How exactly does that work? It is OK with us that you rebuild your temple but we are only giving you seven years and then it isn't OK?
The Bible says so. Who are the many? Time will tell. The Abraham Accords looks a lot like the covenant. Perhaps, the anti-christ will strengthen and confirm it.
 

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Search about 2000 years of church history and you’ll see generation after generation who were convinced their events mirrored the end times, and something in their time was the fulfillment of 666, the beast, etc. All of them wrong. But our generation is THE special one. We’re too important to be wrong too.
What are you saying? Are you telling us to ignore the Lord's command to watch?
 

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The Bible says so. Who are the many? Time will tell. The Abraham Accords looks a lot like the covenant. Perhaps, the anti-christ will strengthen and confirm it.
And what about the video in Post #70? Did you see it?