ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

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kinda

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Scribe, here is just a small sample of what you tolerate. More to come to prove a point.





I get it Scribbles.


ARE YOU STUPID!!!??!!??

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With these two statements in mind, have you received help with learning disabilities, like autism? This is a honest question.

Common signs of autism
  • Avoiding eye contact.
  • Delayed speech and communication skills.
  • Reliance on rules and routines.
  • Being upset by relatively minor changes.
  • Unexpected reactions to sounds, tastes, sights, touch and smells.
  • Difficulty understanding other people's emotions.



So, questioning your intelligence is o.k. than? Also, it's o.k. to tell someone to get help, if they view something in a different light?

Alright, now that this is settled.

Scribe, where is the chat really? Where is your dialogue? This whole thread is a deadlock debate of you and the rest of us debating. Is debating your idea chatting?


Houston doctor says, Covid Vaccine is not a vaccine, but gene therapy to minimize symtoms of Corona Virus, that has no published animal trials, and insists that anyone taking the vaccine is a test subject.

https://banned.video/watch?id=60526699c9e6cc4a10a52dfb

O.k., I will ask this again, since you only like disagreeing with people. Your response to the post above was........

We've already debunked this. Did you not fact check?

Pfizer and Moderna were given approval to simultaneously test their vaccines on animals while they were conducting Phase 1 trials on humans. The vaccines were tested on mice and macaques.

“They overlapped preclinical studies with the early phases of the trials,” said Dr. William Moss, executive director for the International Vaccine Access Center at Johns Hopkins University. “In fact one of the reasons we are even talking about vaccines now just 10 months later is that some of the phases in which vaccine development normally occurs were overlapped rather than done sequentially.”

You say, it's already debunked, but only choose to address the animal studies. Do you agree with the other doctor's claims?

DOCTOR'S CLAIMS (NOTICE IT'S THE DOCTOR'S CLAIMS, NOT MINE, REMEMBER? Don't forget or misread it again)

Houston doctor says,

1. Covid Vaccine is not a vaccine
2. Gene therapy to minimize symtoms of Corona Virus
3. Insists that anyone taking the vaccine is a test subject.
 

kinda

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Your logic is flawed. You are applying testing for drugs on testing for vaccines. And you don't have to be a doctor to understand why that is not being honest.

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O.k., so vaccines take a year to develop than? This is standard procedure right? Please explain the timeline more in depth, you know, from your google searching expertise.


Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.


https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
 

PennEd

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Actually in this case "debunked" means that the New England Journal of Medicine publication from July that was available at that time, and which I myself remember reading is proof that the myth going around the internet that Moderna skipped animal testing before asking for emergency approval by the FDA has been "debunked".

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671?query=RP

This means that it can no longer be repeated by someone who has seen this publication without that person being guilty of lying.

You do agree with that much don't you? I mean this is a chat site and I assume people want to chat about things and concede to facts when they are convinced that something is indeed a fact.
This report was issued in October of 2020. Human trials had begun almost 6 months earlier.

Animal trials are supposed to be fully completed BEFORE human trials EVER start.

This is a cover your a$$ report.

NEITHER the human or animal trials are currently even complete!!

Since you question the integrity of others, how about for yourself?

We don’t want to hear any more half truths from you on this animal testing issue!
 

kinda

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This report was issued in October of 2020. Human trials had begun almost 6 months earlier.

Animal trials are supposed to be fully completed BEFORE human trials EVER start.

This is a cover your a$$ report.

NEITHER the human or animal trials are currently even complete!!

Since you question the integrity of others, how about for yourself?

We don’t want to hear any more half truths from you on this animal testing issue!

My comment was it's hogwash.

This movie clip pretty expresses how I feel about this.




 
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This report was issued in October of 2020. Human trials had begun almost 6 months earlier.

Animal trials are supposed to be fully completed BEFORE human trials EVER start.

This is a cover your a$$ report.

NEITHER the human or animal trials are currently even complete!!

Since you question the integrity of others, how about for yourself?

We don’t want to hear any more half truths from you on this animal testing issue!
They were given approval to conduct these tests simultaneously due to the nature of the Global crisis. A war on COVID19
Given approval to do them simultaneously is an agreed upon protocol and they cannot then be accused of doing something "they are not supposed to do" if they were given approval to do it. Therefore this statement is not a half truth, it is just plain not true.

Due to the urgent need for a vaccine in a surging pandemic, Pfizer and Moderna were given approval to simultaneously test their vaccines on animals while they were conducting Phase 1 trials on humans. The vaccines were tested on mice and macaques.

“They overlapped preclinical studies with the early phases of the trials,” said Dr. William Moss, executive director for the International Vaccine Access Center at Johns Hopkins University. “In fact one of the reasons we are even talking about vaccines now just 10 months later is that some of the phases in which vaccine development normally occurs were overlapped rather than done sequentially.”


Now if someone wants to claim that they should have taken years testing on monkeys that is just a bad opinion. It is not a case for making accusations that testing was skipped. Saying that testing was skipped is a lie.

Saying that testing being done simultaneously is something that they were not supposed to do is also not true.
It is was a decision made by the majority of the science community and approved and if you don't like it, that is simply a weak argument to try to find fault where there is none.

Testing on animals simultaneously during Phase 1 Trials speeded the process without putting anyone at risk. Those volunteers in Phase 1 are a small number and they know the risks. They are willing to take the risk and sign up for that. I think the number in Phase 1 it is something like 45 adults from different age and risk categories. (for Moderna)

To find fault that they were doing animal testing while doing Phase 1 testing which they got approval to do, seems like a desperate attempt at finding fault and trying to create a scandal where none exists. Something antivaccine and conspiracy theorists are known for. It is a pathetically weak case for finding fault.

And that is the whole truth.
 

kinda

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Stages of Vaccine Development and Testing

In the United States, vaccine development and testing follow a standard set of steps. The first stages are exploratory in nature. Regulation and oversight increase as the candidate vaccine makes its way through the process.

First Steps: Laboratory and Animal Studies
Exploratory Stage

This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years. Federally funded academic and governmental scientists identify natural or synthetic antigens that might help prevent or treat a disease. These antigens could include virus-like particles, weakened viruses or bacteria, weakened bacterial toxins, or other substances derived from pathogens.

Pre-Clinical Stage

Pre-clinical studies use tissue-culture or cell-culture systems and animal testing to assess the safety of the candidate vaccine and its immunogenicity, or ability to provoke an immune response. Animal subjects may include mice and monkeys. These studies give researchers an idea of the cellular responses they might expect in humans. They may also suggest a safe starting dose for the next phase of research as well as a safe method of administering the vaccine.


Researchers may adapt the candidate vaccine during the pre-clinical state to try to make it more effective. They may also do challenge studies with the animals, meaning that they vaccinate the animals and then try to infect them with the target pathogen.


Many candidate vaccines never progress beyond this stage because they fail to produce the desired immune response. The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years and usually involves researchers in private industry.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
 
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Stages of Vaccine Development and Testing

In the United States, vaccine development and testing follow a standard set of steps. The first stages are exploratory in nature. Regulation and oversight increase as the candidate vaccine makes its way through the process.

First Steps: Laboratory and Animal Studies
Exploratory Stage

This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years. Federally funded academic and governmental scientists identify natural or synthetic antigens that might help prevent or treat a disease. These antigens could include virus-like particles, weakened viruses or bacteria, weakened bacterial toxins, or other substances derived from pathogens.

Pre-Clinical Stage

Pre-clinical studies use tissue-culture or cell-culture systems and animal testing to assess the safety of the candidate vaccine and its immunogenicity, or ability to provoke an immune response. Animal subjects may include mice and monkeys. These studies give researchers an idea of the cellular responses they might expect in humans. They may also suggest a safe starting dose for the next phase of research as well as a safe method of administering the vaccine.


Researchers may adapt the candidate vaccine during the pre-clinical state to try to make it more effective. They may also do challenge studies with the animals, meaning that they vaccinate the animals and then try to infect them with the target pathogen.


Many candidate vaccines never progress beyond this stage because they fail to produce the desired immune response. The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years and usually involves researchers in private industry.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
Yes and they decided that animal testing and Phase 1 testing could be done simultaneously and were approved to do so. We made a war time effort to fight this plague and won.

Due to the urgent need for a vaccine in a surging pandemic, Pfizer and Moderna were given approval to simultaneously test their vaccines on animals while they were conducting Phase 1 trials on humans. The vaccines were tested on mice and macaques.

“They overlapped preclinical studies with the early phases of the trials,” said Dr. William Moss, executive director for the International Vaccine Access Center at Johns Hopkins University. “In fact one of the reasons we are even talking about vaccines now just 10 months later is that some of the phases in which vaccine development normally occurs were overlapped rather than done sequentially.”

O.k., so vaccines take a year to develop than? This is standard procedure right? Please explain the timeline more in depth, you know, from your google searching expertise.


Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.


https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
Yes, we all know that vaccines have historically taken a long time. And many in the field have explained that the majority of that time is waiting for approval for next steps that never needed to have such long delays in approvals. These bottle necks needed to be solved years ago and thankfully they have been massively improved due to this global crisis in bringing it to the attention of those who had the power to make changes.

Also every few years technology drastically increases. We understand this with things like cell phones. Vaccine technology is also improving and it is about time that we start putting some of these new discoveries to work, such as mRNA vaccines.

It is understandable to be skeptical, but for others it is just as understandable to be relieved that the bottlenecks in approval processes and unnecessary delays are being fixed. One person sees it as a sign of "Rushed" science and another sees it as a sign of "when their own lives are at stack people got off their butts and went to work"
 

kinda

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https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...ng-emergency-use-authorization-first-covid-19


Your logic is flawed. You are applying testing for drugs on testing for vaccines. And you don't have to be a doctor to understand why that is not being honest.

O.k., so vaccines take a year to develop than? This is standard procedure right? Please explain the timeline more in depth, you know, from your google searching expertise.


Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.


https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
 

kinda

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We are lead to believe that the Covid Vaccine is safe and effective, but it didn't go through the standard testing time frame for vaccine testing.

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Using this as an example:

It's like saying, don't wear a seat belt driving a car, because it's an emergency that you need to grocery shopping. Many people have died from a famine lately, so hurry and go grocery shopping. Do you want people to starve to death? People are starving, don't wear a seat belt!!!!! Do you want people to die?!?!

Losing 25,000 to Hunger Every Day

https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/losing-25000-hunger-every-day

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Just think of all the lives we would save, if we just skipped wearing our seat belts, and got to the grocery store before someone died of hunger. This is the logic being used on the general population.

Which is more of a threat, Covid, or starvation?
 

3angelsmsg

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We are lead to believe that the Covid Vaccine is safe and effective, but it didn't go through the standard testing time frame for vaccine testing.

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Using this as an example:

It's like saying, don't wear a seat belt driving a car, because it's an emergency that you need to grocery shopping. Many people have died from a famine lately, so hurry and go grocery shopping. Do you want people to starve to death? People are starving, don't wear a seat belt!!!!! Do you want people to die?!?!

Losing 25,000 to Hunger Every Day

https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/losing-25000-hunger-every-day

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Just think of all the lives we would save, if we just skipped wearing our seat belts, and got to the grocery store before someone died of hunger. This is the logic being used on the general population.

Which is more of a threat, Covid, or starvation?
This is exactly my point of view. The reason for there not being enough food security is all planned cos of the great reset. The power that be, are more concerned about saving the planet at the expense of letting people die of starvation. They are doing it deliberately. There is dark plan at play here and the true nature of it is consealed. It has to do, with the common good. The next agenda to be pushed, climate change. We should study bible prophecy in order understand where these undercurrents leading too. There are no end to the lies, so many lies being told nowadays, it difficult to keep up with it all.
 

kinda

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This is exactly my point of view. The reason for there not being enough food security is all planned cos of the great reset. The power that be, are more concerned about saving the planet at the expense of letting people die of starvation. They are doing it deliberately. There is dark plan at play here and the true nature of it is consealed. It has to do, with the common good. The next agenda to be pushed, climate change. We should study bible prophecy in order understand where these undercurrents leading too. There are no end to the lies, so many lies being told nowadays, it difficult to keep up with it all.

3 A.M., your my brother in Christ, no doubt about!

Yes, the leaders of this world are in a death cult. They want everyone to die, once everyone realizes this, than you will see real panic, but it will be futile. It's futile now, but it's about preparing for the inevitable, when ever that comes.

Heard of Skull and Bones? What is Skull and Bones? It's a death cult. Heard of the Georgia Guide Stones? What's it telling you? It's says, they want to kill everybody? The leaders of the world put up a front that they care about the environment, but it's a front to kill everyone. What does the devil want to do? Kill everyone! See what he did to Judas?

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Everyone chooses a side, you are either for Jesus, or for the devil. People who are for Christ want to live, and those that follow the devil, want everyone to die.

Proverbs 8:36
But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

It's a spiritual war, live in the God's Spirit, that is where life is.

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
 

3angelsmsg

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3 A.M., your my brother in Christ, no doubt about!

Yes, the leaders of this world are in a death cult. They want everyone to die, once everyone realizes this, than you will see real panic, but it will be futile. It's futile now, but it's about preparing for the inevitable, when ever that comes.

Heard of Skull and Bones? What is Skull and Bones? It's a death cult. Heard of the Georgia Guide Stones? What's it telling you? It's says, they want to kill everybody? The leaders of the world put up a front that they care about the environment, but it's a front to kill everyone. What does the devil want to do? Kill everyone! See what he did to Judas?

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Everyone chooses a side, you are either for Jesus, or for the devil. People who are for Christ want to live, and those that follow the devil, want everyone to die.

Proverbs 8:36
But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

It's a spiritual war, live in the God's Spirit, that is where life is.

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Amen. I love that you quoted Matthew 10:28, very powerful scripture. And even the scripture in Proverbs 8:36. Even if we ought to die for the glory and honor of our Lord Jesus Christ it will be honor. And what I love about being on such platform is the encouragement shared among one another as result of the love of Jesus. What will unite us will be the love of God and our dependency on Him. Because we may came from different churches but when persecution comes church affiliation will be out of the window and those Christians nearest to you will be your family when we hide away in the caves and waste places on the earth.
 

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Amen. I love that you quoted Matthew 10:28, very powerful scripture. And even the scripture in Proverbs 8:36. Even if we ought to die for the glory and honor of our Lord Jesus Christ it will be honor. And what I love about being on such platform is the encouragement shared among one another as result of the love of Jesus. What will unite us will be the love of God and our dependency on Him. Because we may came from different churches but when persecution comes church affiliation will be out of the window and those Christians nearest to you will be your family when we hide away in the caves and waste places on the earth.
Amen...
...xox...
 

kinda

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Amen. I love that you quoted Matthew 10:28, very powerful scripture. And even the scripture in Proverbs 8:36. Even if we ought to die for the glory and honor of our Lord Jesus Christ it will be honor. And what I love about being on such platform is the encouragement shared among one another as result of the love of Jesus. What will unite us will be the love of God and our dependency on Him. Because we may came from different churches but when persecution comes church affiliation will be out of the window and those Christians nearest to you will be your family when we hide away in the caves and waste places on the earth.
In the Kingdom when Christ reigns as King of Kings, that's where it's at, and that's our treasure. No more vaccines, no more lock downs, no more wars, no more famines, no more sickness, and no more death. This is our hope and faith!
 

Rosemaryx

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In the Kingdom when Christ reigns as King of Kings, that's where it's at, and that's our treasure. No more vaccines, no more lock downs, no more wars, no more famines, no more sickness, and no more death. This is our hope and faith!
Yes , we are to set our minds on things above...
Our hope is in Jesus , we are in this world but not of it...
...xox...
 

3angelsmsg

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In the Kingdom when Christ reigns as King of Kings, that's where it's at, and that's our treasure. No more vaccines, no more lock downs, no more wars, no more famines, no more sickness, and no more death. This is our hope and faith!
Wow. What the enemy has tried discourage us, God normally turns it around in our favour.

Ephesians 2:4-9
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I especially love verse 7, that in the ages to comes, God reveal and shew us more grace and kindness towards us through His Son. We whom were dead in our trespassers. Let us go and take from the source of all wisdom, strength, power and happiness. That source is God almighty, the creator of heaven and earth. And if this would my final message of encourage to my fellow brethren. It would be to trust more fully God.

The world cannot discern because spiritual things are spiritually discern. The word is powerful and so comforting lets us hold fast.
 

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If a company fails to implement some type of Covid19 prevention program, and an employee gets the virus from someone in the company, will the company be legally liable for any damages that the employee incurs as the result?

How can a company protect itself from covid19 related employee lawsuits?