ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

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So bothersome when THIS happens:

Johnson & Johnson Halts Shipment of COVID Vaccine after Factory Mistake Ruins 15 Million Doses


Johnson & Johnson has paused shipment of its COVID-19 vaccine in the United States while the Food and Drug Administration investigates a factory mixup that ruined roughly 15 million doses of the vaccine.

Workers at a Baltimore plant run by Emergent BioSolutions, a manufacturing partner to Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca, reportedly mixed up the vaccines’ ingredients several weeks ago, according to the New York Times.
 

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So bothersome when THIS happens:

Johnson & Johnson Halts Shipment of COVID Vaccine after Factory Mistake Ruins 15 Million Doses


Johnson & Johnson has paused shipment of its COVID-19 vaccine in the United States while the Food and Drug Administration investigates a factory mixup that ruined roughly 15 million doses of the vaccine.

Workers at a Baltimore plant run by Emergent BioSolutions, a manufacturing partner to Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca, reportedly mixed up the vaccines’ ingredients several weeks ago, according to the New York Times.

^ safe and effective.
 
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In this past year, what has stopped edicts, decrees, “rules”, “orders”, from carrying the full force of law?

Wake up man!
Americans have tackled a crisis and attempted to slow a viral contagion with masks and social distancing in an effort to save lives. Has it done any good? Possibly. It's hard to say since so many people don't care and spray their germs on people without regards. Just look at the protesting during the worst time and the huge spikes of contagion and deaths that followed. Just look at the Spring Breakers and the worst contagious and deadly variant being spread in Florida right now. So many people in America were never going to care and so it is hard to say if any of the social distancing effort and masks helped because people ignored it. Especially in big cities.

In rural towns almost everyone wears masks in stores and it probably helped.

At this point we have the vaccines so it will all soon be resolved. However we have learned some things. In the future if we were to try and stop a deadly virus that killed 90% of it's hosts in a few days like those early Ebola viruses in history then we would have to force a quarantine on people because they will not do it voluntarily. That we know from experience with COVID19.
 
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^ safe and effective.
I hope you are being honest and stating that it was an example of why we CAN trust that there are safety protocols in place and ingredients cannot be manipulated.

Big Pharma throws out 15 Million doses because they made a mistake and their safety audits and compliance protocols caught it and you don't want to give them the credit of being honest and not being money motivated?

How is this not an example of their commitment to safety and integrity in your mind? How is it NOT a good example that there are checks and balances that will not allow something sinister in the dosage to get by audits before it is gets to the points of distribution?

I read this and I say "well done". Are you saying you read this and say "ah ha, see. We can't trust them?"

I could understand a conspiracy theory of wrong doing if they had NOT thrown it out, but why criticize them for doing the right thing and for catching it, which is very encouraging and demonstrates what I have always said about conspiracy theorists. Most of their theories are impossible in real life. They are ignorant of the checks and balances in place the prevent the things they accuse Big Pharma of doing.

They can never win with conspiracy theorist even when they are demonstrating impeccable integrity.

Why can't you bring yourself to say "Well Done?"
 
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I hope you are being honest and stating that it was an example of why we CAN trust that there are safety protocols in place and ingredients cannot be manipulated.
Another example of do what I say and not what I do.

Can't make this stuff up. :rolleyes:

Big Pharma throws out 15 Million doses because they made a mistake and their safety audits and compliance protocols caught it and you don't want to give them the credit of being honest and not being money motivated?
The non-vacc has never been tested within normal parameters. The population of the world is the current testing ground.

Such a lurker you are.
 
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Do your genes need therapeutic altering?

  • Moderna describes mRNA products as “gene therapy technology” in its SEC filing. BioNTech’s SEC filing also specifies that in the U.S. and Europe, mRNA therapies are classified as “gene therapy medicinal products”
  • mRNA technology has, since the start, been recognized as a form of gene therapy, but one that doesn’t permanently alter your DNA. However, some medical experts worry that mRNA injections might be able to reverse-transcribe into your genome and in fact alter your DNA on a more permanent basis
  • A study by MIT and Harvard scientists demonstrates that segments of RNA from SARS-CoV-2 are reverse-transcribing into the human genome, likely becoming a permanent fixture in human DNA. This has been thought impossible for the same reasons used to assure us that vaccine RNA cannot alter DNA
  • In a 2017 TED Talk, Dr. Tal Zaks, chief medical officer of Moderna, describes the company’s mRNA vaccines as “information technology,” and likens mRNA to your body’s operating system. As such, mRNA injections are human “software updates,” thereby ushering in transhumanism
  • A Peruvian research professor warns that transhumanism is part and parcel of the Great Reset and the Fourth Industrial Revolution agendas, which are being rolled out at a furious pace under the auspices of the COVID-19 pandemic
 
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Experimental gene therapies do not have financial liability shielding from the government, but pandemic vaccines do,* even in the experimental stage, as long as the emergency use authorization is in effect. Another reason might be because they fear people won't line up for experimental gene therapy. It has a very different connotation in people's minds (as it should).

A third possibility is that they know full well that you cannot, ethically, mandate gene therapy in the way you can mandate vaccines. Mandatory public health measure directives are typically based on the idea that it's acceptable for some individuals to be harmed as long as the measure benefits the collective.

Well, the COVID-19 "vaccines" are only designed to lessen symptoms of COVID-19. They do not prevent infection or spread, and since the vaccinated individual is the only one receiving a potential benefit, "the greater good" argument falls apart.

Who knows, there may be other factors at play that we've not realized as of yet, but whatever the reason, they really do not want you to think of these injections as gene therapy. They want you to accept them as any other conventional vaccine.

* I've posted several articles in this thread regarding the fact that the drug companies are immune to prosecution with regards to these non-vaccs
 
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mRNA-Based Medicines Designed to Not Irreversibly Alter DNA
Try as they might, though, they cannot get rid of mRNA's gene therapy label. For starters, Moderna describes its product as "gene therapy technology" in its SEC filings. On page 70, they also provide the following specifics:2

"Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA. Unlike certain gene therapies that irreversibly alter cell DNA and could act as a source of side effects, mRNA-based medicines are designed to not irreversibly change cell DNA; however, side effects observed in gene therapy could negatively impact the perception of mRNA medicines despite the differences in mechanism."
In other words, it's a form of gene therapy, but one that doesn't enter and permanently alter your actual DNA. Instead, the mRNA stays in the cellular fluid where ribosomes read the code and create the protein per the mRNA's coding.

The difference between vaccine mRNA and your natural mRNA is that your natural mRNA resides in the nucleus of the cell where your cellular DNA resides — it can be likened to a reverse photocopy of your DNA — and exits the nucleus when a protein needs to be made.

This is in stark contrast to mRNA from vaccines, which is synthetic and enters the cell from the outside and is not designed to enter the nucleus. Additionally, your own mRNA is rapidly degraded by enzymes, but the one from the vaccine is protected in a liposome that will protect it from degradation and keep on producing spike proteins. How long? No one knows because it has never been tested.
 

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Americans have tackled a crisis and attempted to slow a viral contagion with masks and social distancing in an effort to save lives. Has it done any good? Possibly. It's hard to say since so many people don't care and spray their germs on people without regards. Just look at the protesting during the worst time and the huge spikes of contagion and deaths that followed. Just look at the Spring Breakers and the worst contagious and deadly variant being spread in Florida right now. So many people in America were never going to care and so it is hard to say if any of the social distancing effort and masks helped because people ignored it. Especially in big cities.

In rural towns almost everyone wears masks in stores and it probably helped.

At this point we have the vaccines so it will all soon be resolved. However we have learned some things. In the future if we were to try and stop a deadly virus that killed 90% of it's hosts in a few days like those early Ebola viruses in history then we would have to force a quarantine on people because they will not do it voluntarily. That we know from experience with COVID19.
What the hell does any of this have to do with governmental “rules” and “orders” carrying the weight of law?
 
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What the hell does any of this have to do with governmental “rules” and “orders” carrying the weight of law?
States tried to control the spread. It's not a conspiracy. No one wants to take away your freedoms or change the principles of individual freedoms that the country was established upon.

Most of the time such efforts to control contagion are an effort to enforce the principles of freedom and toleration our country was founded upon. If you would just stay on your farm and not infect my family on my farm then you are free to do as you please, but if you attempt to spread your disease on my farm then our government should enforce a rule on you to stay on your own farm and not bother your neighbors.

Rules are not a bad thing. No conspiracy to rule the world going on here. Take a break from the dark web. Snap out of it.
 
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In rural towns almost everyone wears masks in stores and it probably helped.
I live in a rural area and we must be untameable as the majority of folks do not wear masks, nor are they under illegal mandate to do so.

On a trip to Wallies this week, I noticed just about half the folks with no masks. Wallies is not in my town, but in a smaller city I live near. The cash register clerks are wearing the masks BELOW their nose and I saw some stock boys with the mask hanging from one ear while being around customers.

YAY

States tried to control the spread. It's not a conspiracy. No one wants to take away your freedoms or change the principles of individual freedoms that the country was established upon.
Well that's a lie. In fact, so untruthful I don't need to post proof.
 
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mRNA-Based Medicines Designed to Not Irreversibly Alter DNA
Try as they might, though, they cannot get rid of mRNA's gene therapy label. For starters, Moderna describes its product as "gene therapy technology" in its SEC filings. On page 70, they also provide the following specifics:2

"Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA. Unlike certain gene therapies that irreversibly alter cell DNA and could act as a source of side effects, mRNA-based medicines are designed to not irreversibly change cell DNA; however, side effects observed in gene therapy could negatively impact the perception of mRNA medicines despite the differences in mechanism."
In other words, it's a form of gene therapy, but one that doesn't enter and permanently alter your actual DNA. Instead, the mRNA stays in the cellular fluid where ribosomes read the code and create the protein per the mRNA's coding.

The difference between vaccine mRNA and your natural mRNA is that your natural mRNA resides in the nucleus of the cell where your cellular DNA resides — it can be likened to a reverse photocopy of your DNA — and exits the nucleus when a protein needs to be made.

This is in stark contrast to mRNA from vaccines, which is synthetic and enters the cell from the outside and is not designed to enter the nucleus. Additionally, your own mRNA is rapidly degraded by enzymes, but the one from the vaccine is protected in a liposome that will protect it from degradation and keep on producing spike proteins. How long? No one knows because it has never been tested.
Actually liposomes are biodegradable and there is plenty of information about that. Just google it.

However the lipids used to protect the mRNA long enough for it to be read are also degradable and don't stay around very long and it has been clearly documented how long.

mRNA vaccine delivery using lipid nanoparticles

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5439223/
 
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Most of the time such efforts to control contagion are an effort to enforce the principles of freedom and toleration our country was founded upon.
What a sad joke. Are you being paid to spout off these lies?

How controlled is the current border crisis with no testing for Covid for the most part? Not to mention the overcrowded facilities and those who sneek across the border and are not 'caught'?

There are worse diseases than so called Covid coming to a state near you in the near future.
 
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Actually liposomes are biodegradable and there is plenty of information about that. Just google it.

However the lipids used to protect the mRNA long enough for it to be read are also degradable and don't stay around very long and it has been clearly documented how long.

mRNA vaccine delivery using lipid nanoparticles

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5439223/
You don't know what you are talking about and you are not medical doctor.
 

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Rules are not a bad thing. No conspiracy to rule the world going on here. Take a break from the dark web. Snap out of it.
“Rules” enforced as laws are fascist by definition.

I’m really starting to believe you are in fact a plant.
 
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mRNA-Based Medicines Designed to Not Irreversibly Alter DNA
Try as they might, though, they cannot get rid of mRNA's gene therapy label. For starters, Moderna describes its product as "gene therapy technology" in its SEC filings. On page 70, they also provide the following specifics:2

"Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA. Unlike certain gene therapies that irreversibly alter cell DNA and could act as a source of side effects, mRNA-based medicines are designed to not irreversibly change cell DNA; however, side effects observed in gene therapy could negatively impact the perception of mRNA medicines despite the differences in mechanism."
In other words, it's a form of gene therapy, but one that doesn't enter and permanently alter your actual DNA. Instead, the mRNA stays in the cellular fluid where ribosomes read the code and create the protein per the mRNA's coding.

The difference between vaccine mRNA and your natural mRNA is that your natural mRNA resides in the nucleus of the cell where your cellular DNA resides — it can be likened to a reverse photocopy of your DNA — and exits the nucleus when a protein needs to be made.

This is in stark contrast to mRNA from vaccines, which is synthetic and enters the cell from the outside and is not designed to enter the nucleus. Additionally, your own mRNA is rapidly degraded by enzymes, but the one from the vaccine is protected in a liposome that will protect it from degradation and keep on producing spike proteins. How long? No one knows because it has never been tested.

COVID vaccines aren't 'gene therapy'

Fact Check By: Donald Forthal, UCI Professor of Medicine and Molecular Biology and Biochemistry, University of California, Irvine

https://www.newswise.com/factcheck/covid-vaccines-aren-t-gene-therapy
 
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“Rules” enforced as laws are fascist by definition.

I’m really starting to believe you are in fact a plant.
Of course you do. Because you're a conspiracy theorist and that's the way they think. :)
 
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You don't know what you are talking about and you are not medical doctor.
But these guys do. So there is that.

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mRNA vaccine delivery using lipid nanoparticles

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5439223/
 
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