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Seeker47

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Here are a few facts about the conduct of the American Government. (I have taken care to avoid conspiracy theories or unfounded information).
  • The C-19 virus was produced and developed in a Chinese lab supported with funds from the US government
  • Our government paid American scientists to participate in the research of C-19 in China
  • In 2017 the US Government reversed prohibitions against “gain-of-function” viral research
  • It is known that the C-19 virus entered the human population sometime before December, 2019. This information was withheld for several months before being publicly acknowledged.
  • Our American government (CIA) attempted to bribe investigators to conceal the source of the C-19 virus from the American People.
  • The actual numbers of C-19 deaths in the US have been inflated.
  • The US Government prohibited American doctors from prescribing therapy drugs that are proved effective against viral infections including C-19. They have since reversed that prohibition and those drugs are once again available.
  • The US government issued an “Emergency Use” authorization on drugs that had not been tested according to their own standards, and utilizing an unapproved and little understood technology.
  • In the case of at least Pfizer, the process used to obtain the “Emergency Use” designation was not used to manufacture the vaccines. A second method was used for mass production that is now known to allow potential DNA contamination.
  • The US Government forced many American citizen to submit to mandated and unwanted “Emergency Use” vaccinations.
  • The rate of deaths directly attributed to the C-19 vaccine remain unknown
  • The current unexpected increase in certain cancers in the US is being attributed to the elderly, drunks and the obese
  • The CDC has not updated its US cancer statistics since 2020. The CDC updated the US cancer rates every year from 1999 through 2020 and then stopped
  • It is known that the C-19 vaccination has a direct, but largely unknown and unstudied effect on the human lymphatic system
  • The C-19 vaccine makes it more difficult to detect breast cancer due to its lymphatic engagement
  • It is known that the C-19 vaccinations effect coronary health including those in younger populations. This can occur within 48 hours of injection.
  • The US Government assured pregnant women and mothers that the C-19 vaccine would not transport to breast tissue and if it somehow did, it would not enter baby’s milk. Both statements proved false
  • Drug companies recorded record profits from the C-19 vaccine
  • The Federal Government has engaged in coercive practices against social media to quell C-19 information
  • The US Government and the drug manufacturers repeatedly reassured the American people that the C-19 vaccines would not and could not alter the natural human DNA sequence. This is now known to be false.
  • Another round of mRNA Covid-19 vaccinations is now being distributed, and promoted by the US government.
  • The US Government is promoting a C-19 treatment that has not been fully tested but authorized under an “Emergency Use Authorization.” Fully tested, approved and effective treatments are available.
  • It is known that the new “updated” vaccines contain the same potential DNA contamination as the original vaccines yet they remain available.

Please do your own research if this raises any questions for you.
 

Gojira

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Here are a few facts about the conduct of the American Government. (I have taken care to avoid conspiracy theories or unfounded information).
  • The C-19 virus was produced and developed in a Chinese lab supported with funds from the US government
  • Our government paid American scientists to participate in the research of C-19 in China
  • In 2017 the US Government reversed prohibitions against “gain-of-function” viral research
  • It is known that the C-19 virus entered the human population sometime before December, 2019. This information was withheld for several months before being publicly acknowledged.
  • Our American government (CIA) attempted to bribe investigators to conceal the source of the C-19 virus from the American People.
  • The actual numbers of C-19 deaths in the US have been inflated.
  • The US Government prohibited American doctors from prescribing therapy drugs that are proved effective against viral infections including C-19. They have since reversed that prohibition and those drugs are once again available.
  • The US government issued an “Emergency Use” authorization on drugs that had not been tested according to their own standards, and utilizing an unapproved and little understood technology.
  • In the case of at least Pfizer, the process used to obtain the “Emergency Use” designation was not used to manufacture the vaccines. A second method was used for mass production that is now known to allow potential DNA contamination.
  • The US Government forced many American citizen to submit to mandated and unwanted “Emergency Use” vaccinations.
  • The rate of deaths directly attributed to the C-19 vaccine remain unknown
  • The current unexpected increase in certain cancers in the US is being attributed to the elderly, drunks and the obese
  • The CDC has not updated its US cancer statistics since 2020. The CDC updated the US cancer rates every year from 1999 through 2020 and then stopped
  • It is known that the C-19 vaccination has a direct, but largely unknown and unstudied effect on the human lymphatic system
  • The C-19 vaccine makes it more difficult to detect breast cancer due to its lymphatic engagement
  • It is known that the C-19 vaccinations effect coronary health including those in younger populations. This can occur within 48 hours of injection.
  • The US Government assured pregnant women and mothers that the C-19 vaccine would not transport to breast tissue and if it somehow did, it would not enter baby’s milk. Both statements proved false
  • Drug companies recorded record profits from the C-19 vaccine
  • The Federal Government has engaged in coercive practices against social media to quell C-19 information
  • The US Government and the drug manufacturers repeatedly reassured the American people that the C-19 vaccines would not and could not alter the natural human DNA sequence. This is now known to be false.
  • Another round of mRNA Covid-19 vaccinations is now being distributed, and promoted by the US government.
  • The US Government is promoting a C-19 treatment that has not been fully tested but authorized under an “Emergency Use Authorization.” Fully tested, approved and effective treatments are available.
  • It is known that the new “updated” vaccines contain the same potential DNA contamination as the original vaccines yet they remain available.

Please do your own research if this raises any questions for you.
I'm not sure how this makes us like Babylon, but...

All of this is about control. We are experiencing a Marxist cultural revolution. We are headed the way of China. I'll call it communo-fascism, since it's all the same flippin' thing (despite the Left constantly trying to drill into our heads how right-wing fascism is).

We need to pray fervently, for starters. And, we need to take politics seriously, and not say "eh both parties are the same" or "The end is tomorrow, so I'm just gonna sit on my roof and wait for Jesus to return."

We are called to be salt AND light. We preserve what is good and we point to the Way. That's how we can save the nation.

Oh, and for the record, I am un-vaxxed (only for Covid) and I will remain so.
 

Cameron143

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Here are a few facts about the conduct of the American Government. (I have taken care to avoid conspiracy theories or unfounded information).
  • The C-19 virus was produced and developed in a Chinese lab supported with funds from the US government
  • Our government paid American scientists to participate in the research of C-19 in China
  • In 2017 the US Government reversed prohibitions against “gain-of-function” viral research
  • It is known that the C-19 virus entered the human population sometime before December, 2019. This information was withheld for several months before being publicly acknowledged.
  • Our American government (CIA) attempted to bribe investigators to conceal the source of the C-19 virus from the American People.
  • The actual numbers of C-19 deaths in the US have been inflated.
  • The US Government prohibited American doctors from prescribing therapy drugs that are proved effective against viral infections including C-19. They have since reversed that prohibition and those drugs are once again available.
  • The US government issued an “Emergency Use” authorization on drugs that had not been tested according to their own standards, and utilizing an unapproved and little understood technology.
  • In the case of at least Pfizer, the process used to obtain the “Emergency Use” designation was not used to manufacture the vaccines. A second method was used for mass production that is now known to allow potential DNA contamination.
  • The US Government forced many American citizen to submit to mandated and unwanted “Emergency Use” vaccinations.
  • The rate of deaths directly attributed to the C-19 vaccine remain unknown
  • The current unexpected increase in certain cancers in the US is being attributed to the elderly, drunks and the obese
  • The CDC has not updated its US cancer statistics since 2020. The CDC updated the US cancer rates every year from 1999 through 2020 and then stopped
  • It is known that the C-19 vaccination has a direct, but largely unknown and unstudied effect on the human lymphatic system
  • The C-19 vaccine makes it more difficult to detect breast cancer due to its lymphatic engagement
  • It is known that the C-19 vaccinations effect coronary health including those in younger populations. This can occur within 48 hours of injection.
  • The US Government assured pregnant women and mothers that the C-19 vaccine would not transport to breast tissue and if it somehow did, it would not enter baby’s milk. Both statements proved false
  • Drug companies recorded record profits from the C-19 vaccine
  • The Federal Government has engaged in coercive practices against social media to quell C-19 information
  • The US Government and the drug manufacturers repeatedly reassured the American people that the C-19 vaccines would not and could not alter the natural human DNA sequence. This is now known to be false.
  • Another round of mRNA Covid-19 vaccinations is now being distributed, and promoted by the US government.
  • The US Government is promoting a C-19 treatment that has not been fully tested but authorized under an “Emergency Use Authorization.” Fully tested, approved and effective treatments are available.
  • It is known that the new “updated” vaccines contain the same potential DNA contamination as the original vaccines yet they remain available.

Please do your own research if this raises any questions for you.
It's a fine list. How does it relate to your thread title?
 

ZNP

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Here are a few facts about the conduct of the American Government. (I have taken care to avoid conspiracy theories or unfounded information).
  • The C-19 virus was produced and developed in a Chinese lab supported with funds from the US government
  • Our government paid American scientists to participate in the research of C-19 in China
  • In 2017 the US Government reversed prohibitions against “gain-of-function” viral research
  • It is known that the C-19 virus entered the human population sometime before December, 2019. This information was withheld for several months before being publicly acknowledged.
  • Our American government (CIA) attempted to bribe investigators to conceal the source of the C-19 virus from the American People.
  • The actual numbers of C-19 deaths in the US have been inflated.
  • The US Government prohibited American doctors from prescribing therapy drugs that are proved effective against viral infections including C-19. They have since reversed that prohibition and those drugs are once again available.
  • The US government issued an “Emergency Use” authorization on drugs that had not been tested according to their own standards, and utilizing an unapproved and little understood technology.
  • In the case of at least Pfizer, the process used to obtain the “Emergency Use” designation was not used to manufacture the vaccines. A second method was used for mass production that is now known to allow potential DNA contamination.
  • The US Government forced many American citizen to submit to mandated and unwanted “Emergency Use” vaccinations.
  • The rate of deaths directly attributed to the C-19 vaccine remain unknown
  • The current unexpected increase in certain cancers in the US is being attributed to the elderly, drunks and the obese
  • The CDC has not updated its US cancer statistics since 2020. The CDC updated the US cancer rates every year from 1999 through 2020 and then stopped
  • It is known that the C-19 vaccination has a direct, but largely unknown and unstudied effect on the human lymphatic system
  • The C-19 vaccine makes it more difficult to detect breast cancer due to its lymphatic engagement
  • It is known that the C-19 vaccinations effect coronary health including those in younger populations. This can occur within 48 hours of injection.
  • The US Government assured pregnant women and mothers that the C-19 vaccine would not transport to breast tissue and if it somehow did, it would not enter baby’s milk. Both statements proved false
  • Drug companies recorded record profits from the C-19 vaccine
  • The Federal Government has engaged in coercive practices against social media to quell C-19 information
  • The US Government and the drug manufacturers repeatedly reassured the American people that the C-19 vaccines would not and could not alter the natural human DNA sequence. This is now known to be false.
  • Another round of mRNA Covid-19 vaccinations is now being distributed, and promoted by the US government.
  • The US Government is promoting a C-19 treatment that has not been fully tested but authorized under an “Emergency Use Authorization.” Fully tested, approved and effective treatments are available.
  • It is known that the new “updated” vaccines contain the same potential DNA contamination as the original vaccines yet they remain available.

Please do your own research if this raises any questions for you.
This list is a valid reason why the world would hate the US,

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

and it is a valid reason why the US would be considered sorcerers.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 

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The US Government and the drug manufacturers repeatedly reassured the American people that the C-19 vaccines would not and could not alter the natural human DNA sequence. This is now known to be false.
Nice list. Not sure how it has anything to do with your thread title. The only point I question is the one quoted. Everything I've seen on that question does not support actual altered DNA sequence. I'm sure I haven't seen everything on the topic...
 

Gojira

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This list is a valid reason why the world would hate the US,

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

and it is a valid reason why the US would be considered sorcerers.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Eh... this is over the top. We're not flippin' Babylon. This kind of rhetoric really gets under my skin. Sorry ZNP, I just think that we in the Body can get too melodramatic about applying the most extreme scriptures to our current experience. There have been worse societies in world history. Much worse. Let's try to keep everything in context.

Do we have spiritual problems? Oh yeah. A watered-down church, an attempt to publicly normalize perversion, and the beginnings of the attempt to wipe out our nation's first two constitutional amendments. But...

We also have a lot of people here who believe quite differently and are consistently praying accordingly. And, polls are showing a rise in our direction. It ain't over till it's over, and to use another, but non-Yogiist cliché, I ain't heard no fat lady sing.
 

ZNP

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Eh... this is over the top. We're not flippin' Babylon. This kind of rhetoric really gets under my skin. Sorry ZNP, I just think that we in the Body can get too melodramatic about applying the most extreme scriptures to our current experience. There have been worse societies in world history. Much worse. Let's try to keep everything in context.

Do we have spiritual problems? Oh yeah. A watered-down church, an attempt to publicly normalize perversion, and the beginnings of the attempt to wipe out our nation's first two constitutional amendments. But...

We also have a lot of people here who believe quite differently and are consistently praying accordingly. And, polls are showing a rise in our direction. It ain't over till it's over, and to use another, but non-Yogiist cliché, I ain't heard no fat lady sing.
Babylon is the great city that reigns over the kings of the Earth.

Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

So before you confidently assure everyone that this is not referring to Washington DC and King dollar, or NYC and the NYSE, please tell us what "great city reigns over the earth". Thanks.

Please keep in mind Revelation 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

When the mystery Great Babylon is judged and destroyed no one buys from these merchants anymore. So I don't want to hear about illuminati and the Vatican. They are crying because the 99% are no longer buying, not the 1%. Nor is this referring to Jerusalem and tiny Israel. It isn't referring to Iran or Iraq, that would be absurd. Not referring to China, they are a producer not a consumer.
 

Seeker47

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Nice list. Not sure how it has anything to do with your thread title. The only point I question is the one quoted. Everything I've seen on that question does not support actual altered DNA sequence. I'm sure I haven't seen everything on the topic...
You are absolutely correct, it is unknown at this time if the DNA contamination in the vaccine will or will not alter the human genome. The drug manufacturer assured the government during the "Emergency Use Authorization" approval process that no DNA contamination was present in the vaccine. That is now known to be false. The effect of that contamination on the DNA sequence is unknown.
 

ZNP

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Prayer for the current situation

Luke 11:15 But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils. 16 And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven. 17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth. 18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub. 19 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.

In the name of Jesus Christ, Lord of all, we pray against Beelzebub and all that he is doing and trying to do to bring in the Antichrist kingdom on earth. We pray that the satanists and freemasons and JW's and Mormons would be divided, fighting one another, and would bring themselves to desolation. We pray that all those following Beelzebub would be filled with paranoia, suspecting that all the other satanists will turn on them. We pray that as they hear of the arrests they would panic, and turn on one another as the Midians did when Gideon fought them. Fill their dreams with terror of the Lord's army marching on them and destroying them the way a bowling ball would knock them all down. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ, Lord of all, we pray that the blood of Christ would wash away the covering of Beelzebub and his minions that they would be exposed to the full light of the gospel, that the word of God would salt them, and that the sword of the Spirit would slice them up.

Matthew 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? 26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. 27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Lord Jesus we pray according to your word that all the secret plans would be uncovered and revealed. We pray that they would be shouted from the housetops, from Stan's channel, from Vicki Goforth Parnell's channel, from Realrawnews, and from this blog. We pray that all the things they have tried to hide would now be made known. May Dr. Malone reveal them, and Dr. Wolf, and Steve Bannon on his newscast. May the entire world know the hidden things of shame from Beelzebub and Satan's minions. May all of their plans and dealings and people be revealed. We pray that everyone who has worked to bring Antichrist to power would be revealed and be made known. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ, Lord of all, we pray that the blood of Christ would wash away the covering of Beelzebub and his minions that they would be exposed to the full light of the gospel, that the word of God would salt them, and that the sword of the Spirit would slice them up.

Psalm 37:18 The Lord knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever. 19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.

Lord Jesus, we see the famine approaching, we heed your warnings given to us by your servants. We pray you would know us and our needs and that you would care for us and supply us in this time of distress. We pray that we could stand strong in You in the evil time, that we would not be put to shame, but that in the days of famine we would be satisfied and able to feed others. Jesus Christ you are the savior of the world, we put our trust in You.

Ezekiel 13:14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Lord Jesus we pray that this wall they have tried to build to hide what they were doing would be broken down. We pray that in their horror when they are discovered and the plans of their heart are laid bare that they would know that You are Lord and your children who walk in You word and are washed in Your blood have been given all dominion and authority and power. We pray that they would know that You have given us the authority to break down their plans, to reveal them to the world, to expose them and that the world would know how evil and deceitful they are. All this we pray in the mighty, powerful name of Jesus Christ, Lord and conquerer of all.

Psalm 107:33 He turneth rivers into a wilderness, and the watersprings into dry ground; 34 A fruitful land into barrenness, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein.

Lord we pray that Satan's kingdom would dry up and become barren ground. We pray the death, destruction, and barrenness he intended for others would be upon him. We pray the pit he dug for others he would fall into. We pray the satanists would be snared by their own traps. We pray they would be caught in their own lies. We pray they would be the ones in darkness, in confusion, and that they would be the ones to panic. We pray that your people, your children would praise you, and sing praises to your Holy name, and lift You up as the savior of the world as the entire world that lies in the evil one goes up in flames. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ we lay our petitions before the throne of God. Amen and amen.
 

ZNP

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Babylon is the great city that reigns over the kings of the Earth.

Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

So before you confidently assure everyone that this is not referring to Washington DC and King dollar, or NYC and the NYSE, please tell us what "great city reigns over the earth". Thanks.

Please keep in mind Revelation 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

When the mystery Great Babylon is judged and destroyed no one buys from these merchants anymore. So I don't want to hear about illuminati and the Vatican. They are crying because the 99% are no longer buying, not the 1%. Nor is this referring to Jerusalem and tiny Israel. It isn't referring to Iran or Iraq, that would be absurd. Not referring to China, they are a producer not a consumer.
Lord Jesus we pray that the Great Babylon which tries to be a mystery would be revealed, all the things she does in secret would no longer be covered but exposed to the light in your word, that all her evil diabolical plans would be revealed and made known to the world. According to your will and the promises in your word I pray, Amen.
 

Gojira

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Babylon is the great city that reigns over the kings of the Earth.

Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

So before you confidently assure everyone that this is not referring to Washington DC and King dollar, or NYC and the NYSE, please tell us what "great city reigns over the earth". Thanks.

Please keep in mind Revelation 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

When the mystery Great Babylon is judged and destroyed no one buys from these merchants anymore. So I don't want to hear about illuminati and the Vatican. They are crying because the 99% are no longer buying, not the 1%. Nor is this referring to Jerusalem and tiny Israel. It isn't referring to Iran or Iraq, that would be absurd. Not referring to China, they are a producer not a consumer.
The same reasoning you're using applies to any major power that has fallen in any age, Rome being an obvious example.

This is the problem with too many Christians: They try to interpret prophecy through the day's headlines. Mussolini was the beast. Hitler was. The line of popes was. But oops! No they weren't.

You and others who do this need to step back and knock this kind of stuff off.
 

ZNP

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The same reasoning you're using applies to any major power that has fallen in any age, Rome being an obvious example.

This is the problem with too many Christians: They try to interpret prophecy through the day's headlines. Mussolini was the beast. Hitler was. The line of popes was. But oops! No they weren't.

You and others who do this need to step back and knock this kind of stuff off.
That is true but since 1948 it only applies to the US and Revelation clearly describes a time that is after the Jews return to Israel, return to Jerusalem, and begin to offer sacrifices again in the Holy place. It is also clearly after a time where we had nuclear weapons and world war so that the potential to kill a third of the earth's people or a fourth of the earth's people makes sense. It is also the only power that this can apply to after the technology to control what every person on the earth buys and sells has been in place.

So although this could refer to Rome at the time that John wrote this, and later to the UK for the 19th and part of the 20th century, the only country this could refer to since the nuclear bomb, return of the Jews to Israel and the technology to have the mark of the beast is the US. Therefore this is the first and only country that the book of Revelation could be referring to up to this point.
 

Gojira

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That is true but since 1948 it only applies to the US and Revelation clearly describes a time that is after the Jews return to Israel, return to Jerusalem, and begin to offer sacrifices again in the Holy place. It is also clearly after a time where we had nuclear weapons and world war so that the potential to kill a third of the earth's people or a fourth of the earth's people makes sense. It is also the only power that this can apply to after the technology to control what every person on the earth buys and sells has been in place.

So although this could refer to Rome at the time that John wrote this, and later to the UK for the 19th and part of the 20th century, the only country this could refer to since the nuclear bomb, return of the Jews to Israel and the technology to have the mark of the beast is the US. Therefore this is the first and only country that the book of Revelation could be referring to up to this point.
And, if you believe in a pre-trip rapture (which I don't by the way, but I assuming you do??), it could not be happening now because such an event happens after that period begins.

This is ridiculous bro. We in the Body need to stop saying this thing or that thing is Biblical prophecy because too often it has not been the case, and we give the world ammunition against us. We may yet fall, and China could wind up being the power this ultimately refers to, or perhaps a 'roided up EU, or whomever, and then what will you say? "Oh... THIS is it now..." It's always "it". Until it isn't.

Israel, by all appearances, certainly seems to be an indication that we are living in the last of last days. That we do have weapons that can destroy vast areas could be what's described in Revelation.... or those could be natural disasters that God sends upon the earth. You do not know, and neither do I. We as a Body need to knock this kind of stuff off.
 

ZNP

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And, if you believe in a pre-trip rapture (which I don't by the way, but I assuming you do??), it could not be happening now because such an event happens after that period begins.

This is ridiculous bro. We in the Body need to stop saying this thing or that thing is Biblical prophecy because too often it has not been the case, and we give the world ammunition against us. We may yet fall, and China could wind up being the power this ultimately refers to, or perhaps a 'roided up EU, or whomever, and then what will you say? "Oh... THIS is it now..." It's always "it". Until it isn't.

Israel, by all appearances, certainly seems to be an indication that we are living in the last of last days. That we do have weapons that can destroy vast areas could be what's described in Revelation.... or those could be natural disasters that God sends upon the earth. You do not know, and neither do I. We as a Body need to knock this kind of stuff off.
What we need to stop doing is ignoring 25% of the Bible and not teaching the believers. Instead of being ignorant about the Antichrist, the Beast, the Beast system, the Mark of the Beast, the apostasy, the Psalm 83 war, the Ezekiel 38 war, Isaiah 17, and Jacob's trouble, all the believer should be taught what these things are.

I am so glad I ignored you and so many others with this same head in the sand attitude. I decided I wanted to learn about this even if no one else did and so started my blog "summary of Bible references concerning the rapture". I thought there might be 10 others interested based on this poisonous view that we need to avoid this topic. Instead there are 260,000+ because the body of believers are hungry to learn more.

I have a serious problem with anyone who claims to be a believer, that they believe the Bible is the word of God and yet they advise others to avoid 25% of the Bible.
 

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The same reasoning you're using applies to any major power that has fallen in any age, Rome being an obvious example.

This is the problem with too many Christians: They try to interpret prophecy through the day's headlines. Mussolini was the beast. Hitler was. The line of popes was. But oops! No they weren't.

You and others who do this need to step back and knock this kind of stuff off.

Thank you, thank you and thank you!!
 

Gojira

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What we need to stop doing is ignoring 25% of the Bible and not teaching the believers. Instead of being ignorant about the Antichrist, the Beast, the Beast system, the Mark of the Beast, the apostasy, the Psalm 83 war, the Ezekiel 38 war, Isaiah 17, and Jacob's trouble, all the believer should be taught what these things are.

I am so glad I ignored you and so many others with this same head in the sand attitude. I decided I wanted to learn about this even if no one else did and so started my blog "summary of Bible references concerning the rapture". I thought there might be 10 others interested based on this poisonous view that we need to avoid this topic. Instead there are 260,000+ because the body of believers are hungry to learn more.

I have a serious problem with anyone who claims to be a believer, that they believe the Bible is the word of God and yet they advise others to avoid 25% of the Bible.
If that's what you got from what I typed, well.. I think it shows that we're on entirely different channels.

You spout conspiracy theories and warnings that don't come to pass, and then you seem to forget that you ever made those comments. For example: By now, we should all be starving because of food shortages, according to you. This kind of nonsense helps no one except our enemies.

Oh... I never said we should ignore 23% of the Bible. Where in the Bible does it say that the United States was Babylon the Great? I ignore none of the prophecies and believe they will come to pass. HOW they come to pass remains to be seen, because the course of events keeps changing. So what I said was is that we need to stop misapplying scripture. People like you do this and it helps no one.

If you ignore me, then so be it. You are calling my salvation into question because I don't agree with you on the interpretation of Biblical prophecies -- not core issues like salvation -- something that has been a source of contention and debate among numerous believers for a very long time. But, somehow, you are the one who's figured it all out, and woe unto thee who dost not heed the words of the great prophet ZNP! If we do not see the great food shortage he predicted would happen by this past summer, then it is only our hardened hearts that prevent us from seeing our own starvation!

Good bye ZNP. Ignore away :)
 

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If that's what you got from what I typed, well.. I think it shows that we're on entirely different channels.

You spout conspiracy theories and warnings that don't come to pass, and then you seem to forget that you ever made those comments. For example: By now, we should all be starving because of food shortages, according to you. This kind of nonsense helps no one except our enemies.

Oh... I never said we should ignore 23% of the Bible. Where in the Bible does it say that the United States was Babylon the Great? I ignore none of the prophecies and believe they will come to pass. HOW they come to pass remains to be seen, because the course of events keeps changing. So what I said was is that we need to stop misapplying scripture. People like you do this and it helps no one.

If you ignore me, then so be it. You are calling my salvation into question because I don't agree with you on the interpretation of Biblical prophecies -- not core issues like salvation -- something that has been a source of contention and debate among numerous believers for a very long time. But, somehow, you are the one who's figured it all out, and woe unto thee who dost not heed the words of the great prophet ZNP! If we do not see the great food shortage he predicted would happen by this past summer, then it is only our hardened hearts that prevent us from seeing our own starvation!

Good bye ZNP. Ignore away :)
Genesis 41:30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt; and the famine shall consume the land;

Jeremiah 5:12 They have belied the Lord, and said, It is not he; neither shall evil come upon us; neither shall we see sword nor famine:

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

Matthew 24:7 and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

And speaking of the Great Babylon, USA

Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Here are a few facts about the conduct of the American Government. (I have taken care to avoid conspiracy theories or unfounded information).
  • The C-19 virus was produced and developed in a Chinese lab supported with funds from the US government
  • Our government paid American scientists to participate in the research of C-19 in China
  • In 2017 the US Government reversed prohibitions against “gain-of-function” viral research
  • It is known that the C-19 virus entered the human population sometime before December, 2019. This information was withheld for several months before being publicly acknowledged.
  • Our American government (CIA) attempted to bribe investigators to conceal the source of the C-19 virus from the American People.
  • The actual numbers of C-19 deaths in the US have been inflated.
  • The US Government prohibited American doctors from prescribing therapy drugs that are proved effective against viral infections including C-19. They have since reversed that prohibition and those drugs are once again available.
  • The US government issued an “Emergency Use” authorization on drugs that had not been tested according to their own standards, and utilizing an unapproved and little understood technology.
  • In the case of at least Pfizer, the process used to obtain the “Emergency Use” designation was not used to manufacture the vaccines. A second method was used for mass production that is now known to allow potential DNA contamination.
  • The US Government forced many American citizen to submit to mandated and unwanted “Emergency Use” vaccinations.
  • The rate of deaths directly attributed to the C-19 vaccine remain unknown
  • The current unexpected increase in certain cancers in the US is being attributed to the elderly, drunks and the obese
  • The CDC has not updated its US cancer statistics since 2020. The CDC updated the US cancer rates every year from 1999 through 2020 and then stopped
  • It is known that the C-19 vaccination has a direct, but largely unknown and unstudied effect on the human lymphatic system
  • The C-19 vaccine makes it more difficult to detect breast cancer due to its lymphatic engagement
  • It is known that the C-19 vaccinations effect coronary health including those in younger populations. This can occur within 48 hours of injection.
  • The US Government assured pregnant women and mothers that the C-19 vaccine would not transport to breast tissue and if it somehow did, it would not enter baby’s milk. Both statements proved false
  • Drug companies recorded record profits from the C-19 vaccine
  • The Federal Government has engaged in coercive practices against social media to quell C-19 information
  • The US Government and the drug manufacturers repeatedly reassured the American people that the C-19 vaccines would not and could not alter the natural human DNA sequence. This is now known to be false.
  • Another round of mRNA Covid-19 vaccinations is now being distributed, and promoted by the US government.
  • The US Government is promoting a C-19 treatment that has not been fully tested but authorized under an “Emergency Use Authorization.” Fully tested, approved and effective treatments are available.
  • It is known that the new “updated” vaccines contain the same potential DNA contamination as the original vaccines yet they remain available.

Please do your own research if this raises any questions for you.
I'm not sure how the bullet points about the CV 19 prove that America is Babylon, but we certainly agree about it being a staged mass murder as a preplanned event.
If we are in the years of the coming tribulation, followed by the wrath of God, then I see no other options for Babylon. Yes, I believe that the USA is modern day Babylon prophesied. I'm not guessing who the false prophet is and THE antichrist, but since there are many AC, here's one actually nicknamed by his people, "The Prophet."
That's pretty creepy. Moreover, most of you are familiar with him, but this is a short compilation of what he says about the Lord.

The false prophet, Noah Harari blasphemes (skip to 4:20 )
 

gb9

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I'm not sure how the bullet points about the CV 19 prove that America is Babylon, but we certainly agree about it being a staged mass murder as a preplanned event.
If we are in the years of the coming tribulation, followed by the wrath of God, then I see no other options for Babylon. Yes, I believe that the USA is modern day Babylon prophesied. I'm not guessing who the false prophet is and THE antichrist, but since there are many AC, here's one actually nicknamed by his people, "The Prophet."
That's pretty creepy. Moreover, most of you are familiar with him, but this is a short compilation of what he says about the Lord.

The false prophet, Noah Harari blasphemes (skip to 4:20 )
this dude has said some sick, anti-God stuff.