Enoch and other “lost books” of the Bible

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Amanuensis

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Look Mom.... I just discovered another book of the bible that all the scholars since the time of Christ rejected but I think they were wrong. I got this feeling see....

...ok. Nice.
 

Amanuensis

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Well I could be wrong, looks like most have confirmed that Barnabus is not scripture. As far as their criticism regarding the sabbath, in no way did it say, the sabbath was changed to Sunday. I believe it said, we keep the 8th day as the day of gladness. Why can't you be glad on the 8th day? Don't see anything wrong with that. Maybe I'm stretching it out to much, but if you keep the Bible in the back of your mind, Barnabus has some interesting points.

There are more doctrinal errors according to the site, but maybe it's just a wrong perspective?!?! Maybe it's just a matter of trying to make it fit, rather than trying to find errors? I don't know for sure. I really liked the Epitstle of Barnabas, so maybe it takes some time to understand it for what it is?!?!


Text below is a direct quote from website.


Doctrinal Errors


However, the doctrinal errors contained in the Epistle of Barnabas are quite striking, showing that this book could not possibly be “inspired” by God. We are setting forth below some of its major errors:


Error #1:


The Epistle of Barnabas alleges that the Seventh-Day Sabbath has been replaced by the “eight day” Sunday, on which “Jesus rose from the dead.”


Quoting from the 1885 translation of the “Apostolic Fathers, Charles H. Hoole,” we read in chapter 15, verses 8 and 9:


“(15:8) And, further, he saith unto them, Your new moons and your sabbaths I cannot endure. See, now, what he meaneth. The sabbaths, that now are, are not acceptable unto me, but that which I have made is, even that in which, after that I have brought all things to an end, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, which thing is the beginning of another world. (15:9) Wherefore we keep the eighth day as a day of gladness, on which also Jesus rose from the dead, and after he had appeared ascended unto heaven.”


Nowhere does the Bible teach that the Sabbath was replaced by Sunday; nor, that Sunday is the “eighth day”; nor, that Christ rose from the dead on Sunday. For more information, please read our free booklets, “Jesus Christ–a Great Mystery,” and “God’s Commanded Holy Days.”



https://www.eternalgod.org/q-a-7171/
It is refreshing to see someone reconsider their position like this. I think you deserve a high five!
 

kinda

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A day late and a dollar short? lol




It is refreshing to see someone reconsider their position like this. I think you deserve a high five!

I try to see both sides of discussion. It was my first day reading it, so I'm far from an expert on this. lol

Here is another thing to consider. I'm not a Bible theologian, but if the Codex Sinaiticus is important, according to wiki, the Epistle of Barnabas was part of it. Correct me if I'm wrong.




The Codex Sinaiticus (Shelfmarks and references: London, British Library, Add MS 43725; Gregory-Alandא [Aleph] or 01, [Soden δ 2]), or "Sinai Bible", is one of the four great uncial codices, ancient, handwritten copies of a Christian Bible in Greek. The codex is a historical treasure.[1]

The codex is an Alexandrian text-type manuscript written in uncial letters on parchment and dated paleographically to the mid-4th century. Scholarship considers the Codex Sinaiticus to be one of the most important Greek texts of the New Testament, along with the Codex Vaticanus. Until Constantin von Tischendorf's discovery of the Sinaiticus text in 1844, the Codex Vaticanus was unrivaled.[2]

The Codex Sinaiticus came to the attention of scholars in the 19th century at Saint Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai Peninsula, with further material discovered in the 20th and 21st centuries. Although parts of the codex are scattered across four libraries around the world, most of the manuscript is held today in the British Library in London, where it is on public display.[3][4] Since its discovery, study of the Codex Sinaiticus has proven to be useful to scholars for critical studies of biblical text.

While large portions of the Old Testament are missing, it is assumed that the codex originally contained the whole of both Testaments.[5] About half of the Greek Old Testament (or Septuagint) survived, along with a complete New Testament, the entire Deuterocanonical books, the Epistle of Barnabas and portions of The Shepherd of Hermas.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus

What's even crazier is wiki contradicts itself. Here it says, Epistle of Barnabas was not part of the Codex. So which is it wiki?


Epistle of Barnabas[N 13] No
(Codices Hierosolymitanus and Siniaticus)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus

Well, we may have our answer.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Letter-of-Barnabas

Evidently regarded as scriptural in Egypt, the Letter of Barnabas was included in the Codex Sinaiticus, a 4th-century Greek manuscript of the Bible, and it was also quoted by the presbyter St. Clement of Alexandria (died c. 215).
 

kinda

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Look Mom.... I just discovered another book of the bible that all the scholars since the time of Christ rejected but I think they were wrong. I got this feeling see....

...ok. Nice.
Whose post was this referring to?
 

kinda

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I think this would make a good field trip. To see The Codex Sinaiticus with your own eyes would be humbling. This is probably one of the better threads I have been a part of, learning about the historical origins of the Bible.




The Codex Sinaiticus: The Oldest Surviving Christian New Testament - The Beauty of Books - BBC Four
 

kinda

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I think this would make a good field trip. To see The Codex Sinaiticus with your own eyes would be humbling. This is probably one of the better threads I have been a part of, learning about the historical origins of the Bible.




The Codex Sinaiticus: The Oldest Surviving Christian New Testament - The Beauty of Books - BBC Four


Sinaiticus is critical to our understanding of the history of the Christian Bible. It is one of the three earliest surviving manuscripts into which the full collection of books (the ‘canon’) found in the Christian Bible was copied, although with some differences from today’s printed Bibles. It contains some additional books which many Protestant Christian denominations place among the Apocrypha of the Old Testament (such as Maccabees and the Wisdom of Sirach), as well as the Epistle of Barnabas (a letter written by an unknown author claiming to be the apostle Barnabas) and a collection of visionary texts known as the Shepherd of Hermas at the end of the New Testament.


https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/codex-sinaiticus
 
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Omegatime

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I personally like the book of Enoch, but use the one called Enoch 1 which comes from the Hebrew translation. For sure part of the book of Enoch was used in the book of Jude. Few others I prefer is Barnabas, Book of Jasher/Jashar which is mentioned twice in the bible, early church fathers Irenaeus and Hippolytus as well as Polycarp who wrote letters to the mother of Jesus. Book of Enoch was the second most quoted scrolls among the Dead sea scrolls
 

shittim

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This got me looking more into these books, thank you kindly-