FLAT EARTH

[PC123]

That's a really tall man you have there in your diagram. In reality, a selenelion can be seen from on the Earth (one is not required to be at a space altitude to see it). A to-scale model of your diagram would have your observer seeing through the Earth to get the visual on the sun and the moon at the same time. Also, the observer does not need to look downward to see the sun or the moon (even if the observer could see through the Earth). All factors which refute the heliocentric explanation of a lunar eclipse.

Neither model satisfactorily explains the heavenly phenomena, in my view. The heliocentric theory requires a wobble that no-one ever can detect. It also requires constant acceleration and movement of the Earth, which is undetectable. To believe in heliocentric theory, one has to also believe in Einstein's theories of relativity, and Lorentz contraction to support these, which defies the scientific method (i.e. assuming experimental apparatus change by contracting during the experiment, without any proof of this).

The simple truth is that we can see further than should be possible, were Earth a globe. A curve is undetectable. Whatever explanations one assigns the heavenly bodies, Occam's razor makes it plain that the Earth itself is flat.

Big bangism and evolutionism (and the alien worship to come) can have no basis if the Earth is flat. A flat Earth exposes each of these for what they are - Satanic lies.

That was a very tall man in that illustration... If the man was to scale i agree that he wouldn't be able to see the bottom of the sun but he would be able to see the top of the sun as it is bigger than earth... The moon on the other hand has me scratching my head. I agree that the moon would not be visible to the man in that diagram...

I had forgotten about all the flat earth arguments and that last one you mention is probably the best one...
Why are we able to see things on the horizon that should be out of sight according to the heliocentric model???
Could the world really be flat???


There is another piece of evidence that supports the flat earth theory...

The scale of the sun and the earth...

According to the heliocentric model the sun has a diameter which is 109 times bigger than earths
This means that at midday the sun should be filling up most of the sky. What we see instead is a small sun.
I know that its distance makes it appear smaller but i think it does look small given its distance and size

 

[TroyBanished]

The circumference of the earth was fairly accurately calculated in ancient Greece. Records of this survived from the Library of Alexandria.

On the longest day of the year, at noon, our body casts a shadow straight down when we stand on the equator. But if we have someone else standing 1000 miles north or south of the equator on the longest day at noon, they will cast a shadow. This shows that we have curved around the earth a bit. And using the distance away from the equator and using the length of our shadow, we can fairly accurately measure the earths circumference. The further north or south we go, the longer our shadow.

This is strong evidence that the earth is round. Especially since the distance of the sun is so great that on a flat earth our shadows would not change in length. Everyone's shadows would point straight down on the longest day at noon.

Try it with some friends next June 21st

 

[posthuman]

 

[Moses_Young]

The circumference of the earth was fairly accurately calculated in ancient Greece. Records of this survived from the Library of Alexandria.

On the longest day of the year, at noon, our body casts a shadow straight down when we stand on the equator. But if we have someone else standing 1000 miles north or south of the equator on the longest day at noon, they will cast a shadow. This shows that we have curved around the earth a bit. And using the distance away from the equator and using the length of our shadow, we can fairly accurately measure the earths circumference. The further north or south we go, the longer our shadow.

This is strong evidence that the earth is round. Especially since the distance of the sun is so great that on a flat earth our shadows would not change in length. Everyone's shadows would point straight down on the longest day at noon.

Try it with some friends next June 21st

This argument requires circular reasoning, which is a logical fallacy. You assume the sun is so great a distance (as required by the heliocentric theory), and therefore that the different shadows at different locations are due to the curvature on the Earth. In Flat Earth theory, there is no reason for the sun to be so far away (or so large), and it could just be simple trignometry is the reason for the differing shadows at different locations. No curvature required.

However, when you take the heavenly objects (and their mysterious motion) out of the equation, and do just what can be measured on Earth, we can see further than where the horizon should be on a ball-Earth. This alone disproves ball-Earth.

 

[TroyBanished]

Its not circular reasoning. I assumed they agreed the sun was massive and far. So, if that is their argument then well, there is no reasoning with them.

 

[Moses_Young]

Its not circular reasoning. I assumed they agreed the sun was massive and far. So, if that is their argument then well, there is no reasoning with them.

It is circular reasoning to assume that the sun is so far away (and therefore large) that its rays will be parallel, and therefore, that the different shadows given on different parts of the Earth are due to Earth's curvature. The only reason to assume the sun is so far away is heliocentric theory, and to "prove" heliocentric theory (different shadows at different places) by using unproven heliocentric assumptions is circular reasoning.

If Earth is flat, the sun doesn't need to be so far away, and it therefore doesn't need to be so large. This will also produce different shadows on different parts of a flat Earth. That the sun is smaller than Earth is consistent with the fact that the sun moves about the Earth, as does the moon, as recorded in scripture when Joshua commanded the sun to stand still.

 

[TroyBanished]

It isn't circular reasoning to assume the sun is so far away that its angles are negligible and that its the earth's curvature that causes the shadow.

This is not circular reasoning at all.

Its a false assumption that I made about what Flat Earthers believe.

But if they believe the sun is closer then they and I have no common ground to debate and its not worth my time.

However, another way to prove the earth is round is for them to track airplane traffic from one airport to another. Or they can take the flights themselves.

From China to North America, then across north america. Then across the atlantic to Europe, then across Europe to asia and back again to north amercia.

Do Flat Earthers believe there is a line where we can't cross and we would have to go back the other way?

 

[GaryA]

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So???

On a Flat Earth map, the minimum-distance path is a straight line and anything of greater distance would be a bent/bowed/curved line.

 

[GaryA]

Do Flat Earthers believe there is a line where we can't cross and we would have to go back the other way?

Yes - the "ice ring" - 'Antarctica' actually surrounds the oceans. (it is actually "inside-out" on the map)

To prove Ball Earth, you would have to fly straight south - never change heading or veer from that direction - and keep flying straight until you passed completely over Antarctica and found yourself in familiar territory on the other side while going straight north...

 

[GaryA]

Here is another idea from a past thread. Read post #1 :

https://christianchat.com/conspirac...at-the-earth-is-flat-and-not-a-sphere.141216/

 

[Camess]

Ummm... So there's people that ACTUALLY believe the earth if flat? I thought this thread was a joke!
Some people...

 

[TroyBanished]

Yes - the "ice ring" - 'Antarctica' actually surrounds the oceans. (it is actually "inside-out" on the map)

To prove Ball Earth, you would have to fly straight south - never change heading or veer from that direction - and keep flying straight until you passed completely over Antarctica and found yourself in familiar territory on the other side while going straight north...

Why can't we fly straight east or west to prove the ball earth? why is there no line when we fly east?

 

[TroyBanished]

If the earth is truly flat then we should not be able to fly around it east to west. Unless what you seem to be describing is a cylinder shape like a coke can.

If the earth is flat then we should be able to fly straight in any direction and eventually fall off. We should not be able to fly around the world east to west, yet if you go to any line of latitude on the earth and fly east or west you will eventually come back to the same place.

 

[TroyBanished]

The flat earth theory seems to me to be ridiculous and it only makes credible conspiracy theories look bad.

The moon landing for example is a waste of time. It isn't ridiculous like the flat earth theory, I could see the government actually faking the moon landing. But.. its all based on evidence about lighting and shadows and I can't actually speak to that. In my opinion the moon landing is not worth arguing because it can't be proven.

Whereas with 911 and JFK there are so many official claims that just do not add up. The evidence against the official theories is huge and its public opinion and propaganda that keeps us from getting to the truth.

 

[Fundamental]

The flat earth theory seems to me to be ridiculous and it only makes credible conspiracy theories look bad.

The moon landing for example is a waste of time. It isn't ridiculous like the flat earth theory, I could see the government actually faking the moon landing. But.. its all based on evidence about lighting and shadows and I can't actually speak to that. In my opinion the moon landing is not worth arguing because it can't be proven.

Whereas with 911 and JFK there are so many official claims that just do not add up. The evidence against the official theories is huge and its public opinion and propaganda that keeps us from getting to the truth.

I wonder if some have bought a telescope. That would be a nice hobby for them, amateur astrophotography. If they can shoot the ISS on picture, what would that mean to a flat earther?

 

[GaryA]

Why can't we fly straight east or west to prove the ball earth? why is there no line when we fly east?

Because you are actually flying in a circular path.

 

[GaryA]

The flat earth theory seems to me to be ridiculous and it only makes credible conspiracy theories look bad.

The moon landing for example is a waste of time. It isn't ridiculous like the flat earth theory, I could see the government actually faking the moon landing. But.. its all based on evidence about lighting and shadows and I can't actually speak to that. In my opinion the moon landing is not worth arguing because it can't be proven.

Whereas with 911 and JFK there are so many official claims that just do not add up. The evidence against the official theories is huge and its public opinion and propaganda that keeps us from getting to the truth.

What you do not realize (yet?) is that the very same exact thing exists with regard to the moon landings, Flat Earth, and a myriad of other things as well. Only, you have "bought into" many of these things because you cannot [yet] "see right through it" like you can 911 and JFK.

 

[TroyBanished]

What you do not realize (yet?) is that the very same exact thing exists with regard to the moon landings, Flat Earth, and a myriad of other things as well. Only, you have "bought into" many of these things because you cannot [yet] "see right through it" like you can 911 and JFK.

its dangerous for us to propagate conspiracy theories that:

1.) we believe to be true
2.) we don't have strong evidence, we only have circumstantial evidence

I think the flat earth theory is just flawed and has too much evidence against it.

The moon landing might be true, but its not worth spreading this theory because there isn't enough evidence.

There are countless alien conspiracy theories too. But I don't believe any of them.

You make it sound like I need to be enlightened and you know the truth, but is it possible that you believe too much?

I think we need to stick to what we can prove. The rest is just speculation and although its interesting to talk about we should not talk about it like its fact. It hurts our cause.

 

[TroyBanished]

Because you are actually flying in a circular path.

How is flying straight east or straight we a circular path? Its a straight line. Do you have a picture of what you think this flat earth looks like?

 

[TroyBanished]

is it like this?

and if so, do you think pilots all know they are flying in a circle but they are part of a conspiracy?