Flat Earthers

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So where is the center of our plate the north or south pole. The Moon land may have been fake but I think the former USSR or Red China would have ratted on us by now But the earth being flat under a geo-dome is more ridiculous than the Easter Bunny.
The North is the center. That's why there is 24 hour sun in the North (in Northern Summer). Flat Earthers generally do not believe there is any such 24 hour sun in the South, and there was no evidence of such until recent years, when this obvious lack of evidence was pointed out. Now there is a questionable video (like the NASA CGIs) floating around on Youtube, but this is at odds with what was reported by the early Antarctic explorers.

The USSR, Red China and the US are all working together. World government. Isn't it obvious to you? (NASA didn't rat on the Soviet's Yuri Gargarin hoax, and the reds didn't rat on the US's fake moon landing). Live and let govern, eh?
 

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The North is the center. That's why there is 24 hour sun in the North (in Northern Summer). Flat Earthers generally do not believe there is any such 24 hour sun in the South, and there was no evidence of such until recent years, when this obvious lack of evidence was pointed out. Now there is a questionable video (like the NASA CGIs) floating around on Youtube, but this is at odds with what was reported by the early Antarctic explorers.

The USSR, Red China and the US are all working together. World government. Isn't it obvious to you? (NASA didn't rat on the Soviet's Yuri Gargarin hoax, and the reds didn't rat on the US's fake moon landing). Live and let govern, eh?
What's obvious is that capitolistists are diametricly opposed to socialism. And that communism is opposed to private property and democracy. And true socialists are opposed to unchecked capitalism and dictatorships. The idea that a plot that predates all 3 systems in which they all conspire seem far beyond probable to me. Marx was mentally ill. he was not a socialist. He was a communist and Hitler was a fascist. Roosevelt was a capitalist that the buying power of the common people could be turned into the wealth of the nation and the capitalists in charge. The only conspiracy I believe in is between Banking, Pharma and Petroleum syndicates. I call them 'Banksters.'
 
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What's obvious is that capitolistists are diametricly opposed to socialism. And that communism is opposed to private property and democracy. And true socialists are opposed to unchecked capitalism and dictatorships. The idea that a plot that predates all 3 systems in which they all conspire seem far beyond probable to me. Marx was mentally ill. he was not a socialist. He was a communist and Hitler was a fascist. Roosevelt was a capitalist that the buying power of the common people could be turned into the wealth of the nation and the capitalists in charge. The only conspiracy I believe in is between Banking, Pharma and Petroleum syndicates. I call them 'Banksters.'
But don't you believe these Banksters have influence in government? Or how could they continue to exist? For a government's true sole purpose is to exercise justice, and therefore, a government that fails to eradicate Banksters or other criminals from its jurisdiction has failed in the only true purpose it has. And yet these Banksters continue not only to exist in the US, and China, and Russia, but to exercise more and more influence in these places, and others. So much so that the Banksters have spread all over the Earth.

The Banksters care not what their host countries economic or social systems are said to be.
 

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. Roosevelt was a capitalist that Realized the buying power of the common people could be turned into the wealth of the nation and the capitalists in charge. Unfortunately He allowed the national debt to go out of control and right into the banksters pockets. The military industrial complex and the petroleum companies (that supported both sides) during WW2 made the lions share of the money. The love of Money is the root of all evil. Follow the money.
 

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But don't you believe these Banksters have influence in government? Or how could they continue to exist? For a government's true sole purpose is to exercise justice, and therefore, a government that fails to eradicate Banksters or other criminals from its jurisdiction has failed in the only true purpose it has. And yet these Banksters continue not only to exist in the US, and China, and Russia, but to exercise more and more influence in these places, and others. So much so that the Banksters have spread all over the Earth.
Hence the mark of the beast will come with financial ties. For all intents and purposes NASA is broke!
 
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. Roosevelt was a capitalist that Realized the buying power of the common people could be turned into the wealth of the nation and the capitalists in charge. Unfortunately He allowed the national debt to go out of control and right into the banksters pockets. The military industrial complex and the petroleum companies (that supported both sides) during WW2 made the lions share of the money. The love of Money is the root of all evil. Follow the money.
But there would have been no national debt, had it not been for the set-up of the Federal Reserve in 1913, right?
 

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Regardless, most accept corruption in governments. What purpose would it serve to attempt to fool the entire planet that the earth is globe? It makes sense that it would be more possible to convince a handful of people that it’s flat.
 

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What has been forgotten cover over by Reaganite rhetoric is that the wealthy don't spend most of their money and the lower 1/3 spend most from paycheck to pay check. Trickle down economics was a dismal failure. The money goes the other way but credit has sold our nation down the Styx! (the mythological river to hell.)
 

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But there would have been no national debt, had it not been for the set-up of the Federal Reserve in 1913, right?
Not at the current scale. It was a moral decision in many ways. It was considered immoral for our government to profit from taxes. But the fed cleverly used than notion to influence the powers that were in office. There would always be debt but not at the scale and influence it has become. The profit minded politicians are as much to blame the lobbyists that bribe them. Democracy is now a dirty word in most political circles and the DNC dosn't respect the idea either. They're fakes too.
 
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Regardless, most accept corruption in governments. What purpose would it serve to attempt to fool the entire planet that the earth is globe? It makes sense that it would be more possible to convince a handful of people that it’s flat.
Don't you agree that the majority is usually wrong? If the Earth were a ball, it would be easy to demonstrate that water has curvature. If water demonstrably curved (in line with that required for a ball-Earth), I don't think there would be many (if any) Flat Earthers.

Evolutionism couldn't take root on a flat Earth. Bigbangism couldn't take root without evolutionism. Atheism couldn't survive without Bigbangism.
 

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Don't you agree that the majority is usually wrong? If the Earth were a ball, it would be easy to demonstrate that water has curvature. If water demonstrably curved (in line with that required for a ball-Earth), I don't think there would be many (if any) Flat Earthers.

Evolutionism couldn't take root on a flat Earth. Bigbangism couldn't take root without evolutionism. Atheism couldn't survive without Bigbangism.
I was raised near a beach the Casino on Santa Catalina Isladn was about 25 miles from the nearest beach. we couldn't see it from the shore because the curvature of the earth at sea level obscured it but from the cliffs above the beach it could be seen on a clear day.
 
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I was raised near a beach the Casino on Santa Catalina Isladn was about 25 miles from the nearest beach. we couldn't see it from the shore because the curvature of the earth at sea level obscured it but from the cliffs above the beach it could be seen on a clear day.
You put your observation down to the curvature of the Earth. I put it down to perspective and the resolution of the eye.

If it wasn't due to perspective and the resolution of the eye, the clearness of the day wouldn't matter. Also think about this - if the horizon really was disappearing over the curvature of the Earth, climbing a cliff 25 miles away wouldn't let you see any further down.
 

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Don't you agree that the majority is usually wrong? If the Earth were a ball, it would be easy to demonstrate that water has curvature. If water demonstrably curved (in line with that required for a ball-Earth), I don't think there would be many (if any) Flat Earthers.

Evolutionism couldn't take root on a flat Earth. Bigbangism couldn't take root without evolutionism. Atheism couldn't survive without Bigbangism.
No, I would say on most things scientifically perceivable, the educated are intellectually honest enough with themselves to make an accurate conclusion. Flat earthers can’t even explain the sunrise/sunset without sounding ridiculous. At best the flat earth movement was started as a psychological experiment. If not started for that purpose, it’s definitely developing into one.
 

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Regardless, most accept corruption in governments. What purpose would it serve to attempt to fool the entire planet that the earth is globe? It makes sense that it would be more possible to convince a handful of people that it’s flat.
What's the end game? Who can tell the future? Who can read minds? I know there are murderers in the world, I don't know why they do it.

I have a theory, in addition to hiding our Creator (making the Bible look foolish) and making us feel insignificant in the bigger scheme of things rather than being created in the very image of the Creator, it's in order to fake a really big crisis. What would move us into a world control system better than a threat from beyond the stars?

(This link is a short clip of Ronald Regan, addressing the UN that he hoped there would be an alien invasion) Since that, other presidents have said the same, and we are being programed to expect it.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...CF2A7FEAC2A90C9657BCCF2A7FEAC2A90C9&FORM=VIRE

Also, the view that the earth is a geocentric plane and stationary is an ancient belief. It's the spinning globe heliocentric model that's the newcomer.
 

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This statement invokes a circular argument logical fallacy.

You sound like Einstein. But to me, Einstein was just a beggar dressed in purple clothes that ignorant folk mistook for a king.
Who or what Einstein was is not relevant to the basic argument. It is not circular logic to say that we know the Earth is round. Is it circular logic to say that we know God exists? If you can say it is circular logic to claim that the earth is round because you don't believe it is round, and it can't really be proven, then you need to stop believing in God as well. Because by your "logic," God's existence can't be proven either. Seems that what you believe in or do not believe in is based on your own personal whims, and not what we actually know. What many people forget, and don't seem to think about at all is that each of us is going to be held accountable for what we believe, for the knowledge we have, and especially what we do with that knowledge. You are on the Internet proliferating a Conspiracy Theory. What kind of answer will you have for Christ when He asks you why you were spending time spreading theories that are false and actually demean God's creation? I wouldn't want to be in that position.
 

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No, I would say on most things scientifically perceivable, the educated are intellectually honest enough with themselves to make an accurate conclusion. Flat earthers can’t even explain the sunrise/sunset without sounding ridiculous. At best the flat earth movement was started as a psychological experiment. If not started for that purpose, it’s definitely developing into one.
I don't think it was started as an experiment. There is always a segment of people who, for reasons that elude my understanding, want to believe in conspiracy theories. 911 was an inside job. We never went to the Moon. Keeanu Reeves is immortal. The government is developing hairless sloth armies. You name it. Just like anything else, today's society wants to be "different." Wants to be "edgy." Wants to be counter-culture. The entire conspiracy theory movement is nothing more than people yearning to be "different." They think it is somehow cool to not believe what they think the majority of society believes. Like Hipsters. So different. So new. So unique. So Today! When all they did was take the Beat movement of the mid-sixties and do a bad copy of it in the 21st century. Not different and just as stupid and irrelevant as it was in '65. Everybody getting tattoos to be a "rebel" and be "different." When you, your neighbors and everyone you see in the grocery store is all tatt'd up, you're not unique and special anymore. Just part of a herd of people that are all doing the same thing you are. For some reason, Flat Earther's think it's cool and counter-culture to believe what they believe, and it makes them part of a special group that really get it. And the push-back they get just confirms, to them, that they actually are the only special ones that really get it. This is the "They are resisting what I say, so I must be right" effect. Resistance, to them is confirmation that they are right.
 

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I don't think it was started as an experiment. There is always a segment of people who, for reasons that elude my understanding, want to believe in conspiracy theories. 911 was an inside job. We never went to the Moon. Keeanu Reeves is immortal. The government is developing hairless sloth armies. You name it. Just like anything else, today's society wants to be "different." Wants to be "edgy." Wants to be counter-culture. The entire conspiracy theory movement is nothing more than people yearning to be "different." They think it is somehow cool to not believe what they think the majority of society believes. Like Hipsters. So different. So new. So unique. So Today! When all they did was take the Beat movement of the mid-sixties and do a bad copy of it in the 21st century. Not different and just as stupid and irrelevant as it was in '65. Everybody getting tattoos to be a "rebel" and be "different." When you, your neighbors and everyone you see in the grocery store is all tatt'd up, you're not unique and special anymore. Just part of a herd of people that are all doing the same thing you are. For some reason, Flat Earther's think it's cool and counter-culture to believe what they believe, and it makes them part of a special group that really get it. And the push-back they get just confirms, to them, that they actually are the only special ones that really get it. This is the "They are resisting what I say, so I must be right" effect. Resistance, to them is confirmation that they are right.
So, a rebel for not believing everything I see on TV, hmm? Out of curiosity, do you know how many buildings fell on 9/11? Other than that, don't know who Keeanu Reeves is and I've never had a tattoo in my life never even came close. Don't dye my hair or have any piercings, (thought I'd throw that in for good measure.)

Food for thought....if animals in the wild can conspire with each other, sometimes among different species, to catch prey, how is it so hard to imagine that men conspire with each other for a desired outcome? Even certain types sea life have been observed working in tandem if food, protection, or even grooming is involved. An itty bitty spider can work as long as 3 weeks spinning a web to trick and trap prey, but we are supposed to believe that evil men are not planning and plotting behind closed doors. The Bible has examples of conspiring also, read about the history of wars...the Trojan Horse, ever heard of it?
 
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So, a rebel for not believing everything I see on TV, hmm? Out of curiosity, do you know how many buildings fell on 9/11? Other than that, don't know who Keeanu Reeves is and I've never had a tattoo in my life never even came close. Don't dye my hair or have any piercings, (thought I'd throw that in for good measure.)

Food for thought....if animals in the wild can conspire with each other, sometimes among different species, to catch prey, how is it so hard to imagine that men conspire with each other for a desired outcome? Even certain types sea life have been observed working in tandem if food, protection, or even grooming is involved. An itty bitty spider can work as long as 3 weeks spinning a web to trick and trap prey, but we are supposed to believe that evil men are not planning and plotting behind closed doors. The Bible has examples of conspiring also, read about the history of wars...the Trojan Horse, ever heard of it?
Agree and agree :cool:

People should do their homework, is is amazing what one can learn by looking at declassified documents and wiki leaks
 

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Don't you agree that the majority is usually wrong? If the Earth were a ball, it would be easy to demonstrate that water has curvature. If water demonstrably curved (in line with that required for a ball-Earth), I don't think there would be many (if any) Flat Earthers.

Evolutionism couldn't take root on a flat Earth. Bigbangism couldn't take root without evolutionism. Atheism couldn't survive without Bigbangism.
Uhhh...huh? You do know The big bang theory was a Christian idea at first right? Its in fact the Atheists who didnt believe it until they tweeked it to say it proves theres no God.
 
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Uhhh...huh? You do know The big bang theory was a Christian idea at first right? Its in fact the Atheists who didnt believe it until they tweeked it to say it proves theres no God.
Whatever. If you consider Jesuits or whatever other demon's brood that invented it to be Christian.

The Bible has examples of conspiring also, read about the history of wars...the Trojan Horse, ever heard of it?
I can imagine the wise men of Troy - "Don't get bring that horse in the gates, it's a trap for sure!" And all naive Trojans going "Oh, you guys are such conspiracy theorists! This is clearly a gift from our gods, to help us defeat the evil Greeks, and you want to leave it outside the city and risk offending our gods? You guys never change - times have changed the 3700s, you know..." Lol.