Hollywood's Criminal Underworld

[RachelBibleStudent]

So, here's a question (it's a trap answer really, so I'll help): who do you esteem highly enough to believe if they were to tell you that there is an illuminati 'conspiracy' afoot. The Bible talks about a global conspiracy to topple everything called God (and replace with man's own rulership). (Read for example Ps. 2 where God says such a 'conspiracy' won't work as He has set Jesus as Ruler and will condemn everyone who goes against Him.) Whatever you believe, when you have your mind made up, it doesn't matter who says anything to the contrary. Even President George H.W. Bush (who admitted the building of a new world order) and all other 'legitimate' people take a backseat to our own 'legitimate' beliefs.

this is similar to the question people sometimes ask of christians...'what if God told you the bible wasn't true?'

in any case the question should not be about who i would be willing to believe...the real question is what could possibly have led you to think that -charlie sheen- is a credible source...

what's next? 'daffy duck exposes the chemtrail conspiracy'?

 

[Stephen63]

this is similar to the question people sometimes ask of christians...'what if God told you the bible wasn't true?'

in any case the question should not be about who i would be willing to believe...the real question is what could possibly have led you to think that -charlie sheen- is a credible source...

what's next? 'daffy duck exposes the chemtrail conspiracy'?

Why didn't you just say there's nobody that can make you believe it without your snippy remarks? Or. better yet, prove with your evidence it isn't true? Wouldn't you want the readers to know? Wouldn't it be 'good works' to expose this with truth?

BTW, no more remarks & name calling please..... show the readers you're civilized, if you want them to believe you.

 

[Stephen63]

Why is it only the has-beens who come out of the woodwork with these crazy tales? Maybe its because they are just lookoing for another fifteen minutes of fame...

Oh, IDK....... would you believe a superstar at the top of their game is brainwashed?

 

[Stephen63]

the celebrities who 'speak about it' are nearly always the ones that have a long record of behaving badly and saying and doing outlandish things just to get attention...they were already some of the least credible people in the entertainment industry...and making up nonsense about 'the illuminati' is just a continuation of their pattern...

why don't they ever name any of the 'illuminati'? because you can't name the members of an organization that doesn't exist...

If you're saying these stars are lying, then why don't they tell a total lie.... what do they have to lose?

 

[Allin]

this is similar to the question people sometimes ask of christians...'what if God told you the bible wasn't true?'

in any case the question should not be about who i would be willing to believe...the real question is what could possibly have led you to think that -charlie sheen- is a credible source...

what's next? 'daffy duck exposes the chemtrail conspiracy'?

I can't answer a question until you pose it directly to me. Are you asking me what I would do if God told me that the Bible isn't true? (You never answer skeptics, atheists, and God-haters directly. You have to learn to answer the person rather than their questions. The person is asking the question for a reason. Find the reason they're asking and answer that; to them, it's more important than their question.)

I don't see anyone as a credible source (Charlie Sheen or anyone else). I do see the Bible as a credible source, and it says that world leaders will take a stand against God (anti-Christ) and that they will plot and scheme to 'break God's chains off them' (i.e. they will seek to institute their own laws in place of God's laws). I believe the Bible is a credible source on this issue, whether these leaders are called illuminati or something else.

 

[Jackson123]

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why don't they ever name any of the 'illuminati'? because you can't name the members of an organization that doesn't exist...why don't they ever name any of the 'illuminati'? because you can't name the members of an organization that doesn't exist...

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I quote this part. I believe this part explain why puritan people in New England allow the existence of illuminati in their state.

I4 NEW ENGLAND AND BAVARIAN 1LLUMINATI [14 the fact that the average citizen of New England emerged from the Revolutionary struggle with the edge of his con- science dulled. The secularizing spirit of the post-Revolu- tionary period, when questions of national organization and unity, of the rehabilitation of commerce and industry, and of international relations and policies were foremost in the thought of the day, left marks upon the human spirit over which stern and rigorous adherents to the old order wept copiously and long. For one thing, the lives of the men and women of New England were never again to be as barren of diversified interests as they had been in the past. The successful issue of the struggle for political independence had so enlarged the mind of the common man that he of necessity entertained considerations of private desire and of public policy which he formerly would have rejected en- tirely. The avenue of retreat to the ancient simplicity and seclusion was forever closed. The soundness of this estimate of the rapid disintegra- tion of Puritanism will be apparent if the changing attitude of the people on the subject of theatrical entertainments is considered. 1 As early as the year 1750 the General Court of Massachusetts had found it necessary to enact legislation to prevent stage-plays and other theatrical entertainments. 2 That Puritan standards dominated the situation at the time is evidenced both by the reasons advanced by the framers of the law for its enactment and by the stringent penalties after that he hath done us good. If we had continued to be as once we were, the Lord would' have continued to doe for us, as once he did." The entire document, together with much valuable explanatory comment, may be found in Walker, Creeds and Platforms of Congre- gationalism, pp. 421-437. Backus, History of New England, vol. i, pp. 457-461, contains a group of similar laments. 1 Snow, A History of Boston, p. 333. 2 Weeden, Economic and Social History of New England, vol. ii, p. 696.

 

[Deadtosin]

Why is it only the has-beens who come out of the woodwork with these crazy tales? Maybe its because they are just lookoing for another fifteen minutes of fame...

Another simple possibility is that this is the reason they are "has-beens" The men who signed their checks said "do this" and if they don't they are cast out.

There are several instances where a celebrities career was charred due to a refusal to do what they were told to do. If you won't do it, they'll find someone who will.

 

[DaGster]

here is a huge thing that most conspiracy theorists who imagine they have 'woken up' -aren't- seeing...you are being used for free advertising by the very industry you regard with so much suspicion...

for example...most of you professing christians wouldn't even be watching a rihanna video called 'S&M'...except for the fact that someone claimed there were illuminati symbols in it... suddenly they get a bunch of youtube views...and the ad revenue that goes with it...from people who aren't even part of the video's primary target audience...

the same pattern continues over and over again...for example about a year ago...i doubt many of the christians on this forum even knew that kanye west was making a new album...until someone on this forum started calling it satanic...

some artists are even starting to market themselves as 'anti illuminati'...again for the publicity...

so who are the real puppets? you are!

Hmm…RBS, I can't help but notice that you talk like an outsider looking in. Your previous remark, "you professing Christians" sounds to me like someone who is trying to act like something they are not while trying to act like someone of great, or higher knowledge. You used "conspiracy theorists" and Christians and puppets in the same reply while offering an opposing view.

Such acts of open denial of something that is well known is either from lack of information on such a subject, or is the work of the opposition. The latter could be possible, in my opinion.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Hmm…RBS, I can't help but notice that you talk like an outsider looking in. Your previous remark, "you professing Christians" sounds to me like someone who is trying to act like something they are not while trying to act like someone of great, or higher knowledge. You used "conspiracy theorists" and Christians and puppets in the same reply while offering an opposing view.

Such acts of open denial of something that is well known is either from lack of information on such a subject, or is the work of the opposition. The latter could be possible, in my opinion.

i used the term 'professing christians' because i don't consider conspiracy theory to be a legitimate christian view...

so in that sense i -am- an outsider...a christian...looking in on a pseudo christian cult...

i know these statements will probably send a few conspiracy theorists here into orbit...but then their reaction to anyone who disagrees with their delusion is one of the reasons why i don't consider conspiracy theory to be anything resembling legitimate christianity...

 

[DaGster]

i used the term 'professing christians' because i don't consider conspiracy theory to be a legitimate christian view...

so in that sense i -am- an outsider...a christian...looking in on a pseudo christian cult...

i know these statements will probably send a few conspiracy theorists here into orbit...but then their reaction to anyone who disagrees with their delusion is one of the reasons why i don't consider conspiracy theory to be anything resembling legitimate christianity...

RBS…its a free country and you can view things however you like. If there are certain things you just do not agree with, that is fine. But, if you have Superior Knowledge (no pun intended) and you are able to provide proof that "conspiracy theories" are not to be discussed amongst true Bible believing, God fearing Christians or is not even to be supported, than please provide this information.

This is my opinion, based on what you have said, I personally feel that you fit into ether one of these two categories:

1) you are one that does not believe anything, and chooses to go about daily life without anything that can hinder one's ability to stay in the comfort of thought that, all is well.

2) or, you are -- as I have said before -- the opposition which who's objective is to challenge those with thoughts of conspiracy and possible knowledge to add or prove such a topic…and are intending to try keep those or redirect those of interest in such a topic, no matter how small the effectiveness.

Again, I lean towards latter.

 

[Allin]

RBS…its a free country and you can view things however you like. If there are certain things you just do not agree with, that is fine. But, if you have Superior Knowledge (no pun intended) and you are able to provide proof that "conspiracy theories" are not to be discussed amongst true Bible believing, God fearing Christians or is not even to be supported, than please provide this information.

This is my opinion, based on what you have said, I personally feel that you fit into ether one of these two categories:

1) you are one that does not believe anything, and chooses to go about daily life without anything that can hinder one's ability to stay in the comfort of thought that, all is well.

2) or, you are -- as I have said before -- the opposition which who's objective is to challenge those with thoughts of conspiracy and possible knowledge to add or prove such a topic…and are intending to try keep those or redirect those of interest in such a topic, no matter how small the effectiveness.

Again, I lean towards latter.

Well, you're going to have impostors on this site as they are assigned to infiltrate, keep an eye on, and control overall Christianity. Sometimes, there will be one impostor or pretend Christian for every about twelve real Christians in a church; it all depends on how big the church is and the importance of the church to God and satan. Basically every church or Christian organization that has a deliverance ministry, a prophetic ministry, or a counseling ministry will be infiltrated (especially churches with deliverance and prophetic ministries).

Unfortunately, here in America, people generally believe that if a person sounds knowledgeable or appears to be good, then the person should be trusted. People worship the intellect here but rarely employ their intelligence. (Generally, they employ their unbelief/pride and mistake it for the intelligence. I'd like to submit that unbelief and pride (being too smart to believe something you don't understand or want to believe) is not being intelligent but being moronic and stubborn about it. No one is or can be intelligent who thinks their opinions are above and more important than facts, truth, and research.)

The illuminati wants people to know about their plans and be powerless to stop it. In order to contradict the 'conspiracies', one would have to contradict both the conspirators (who want people to know about them in a general way) together with the 'conspiracy theorists'. A person who can't admit that 'conspiracies' might exist, for instance, after seeing videos like the one below (which I am re-posting for its conciseness) is basically either highly demonized so as to be unable to discern truth, a puppet (a mind-controlled person who is unwittingly doing the NWO's work for them), or an infiltrator for the overall NWO scheme.

[video=youtube;nQrpLp-X0ws]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws[/video]

 

[DaGster]

Well, you're going to have impostors on this site as they are assigned to infiltrate, keep an eye on, and control overall Christianity. Sometimes, there will be one impostor or pretend Christian for every about twelve real Christians in a church; it all depends on how big the church is and the importance of the church to God and satan. Basically every church or Christian organization that has a deliverance ministry, a prophetic ministry, or a counseling ministry will be infiltrated (especially churches with deliverance and prophetic ministries).

Unfortunately, here in America, people generally believe that if a person sounds knowledgeable or appears to be good, then the person should be trusted. People worship the intellect here but rarely employ their intelligence. (Generally, they employ their unbelief/pride and mistake it for the intelligence. I'd like to submit that unbelief and pride (being too smart to believe something you don't understand or want to believe) is not being intelligent but being moronic and stubborn about it. No one is or can be intelligent who thinks their opinions are above and more important than facts, truth, and research.)

The illuminati wants people to know about their plans and be powerless to stop it. In order to contradict the 'conspiracies', one would have to contradict both the conspirators (who want people to know about them in a general way) together with the 'conspiracy theorists'. A person who can't admit that 'conspiracies' might exist, for instance, after seeing videos like the one below (which I am re-posting for its conciseness) is basically either highly demonized so as to be unable to discern truth, a puppet (a mind-controlled person who is unwittingly doing the NWO's work for them), or an infiltrator for the overall NWO scheme.

[video=youtube;nQrpLp-X0ws]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws[/video]

The NWO thinks everyone is stupid and weak. Unfortunately, that is the case for many and that is why they are able to do what they do.

Great video by the way!

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

RBS…its a free country and you can view things however you like. If there are certain things you just do not agree with, that is fine. But, if you have Superior Knowledge (no pun intended) and you are able to provide proof that "conspiracy theories" are not to be discussed amongst true Bible believing, God fearing Christians or is not even to be supported, than please provide this information.

This is my opinion, based on what you have said, I personally feel that you fit into ether one of these two categories:

1) you are one that does not believe anything, and chooses to go about daily life without anything that can hinder one's ability to stay in the comfort of thought that, all is well.

2) or, you are -- as I have said before -- the opposition which who's objective is to challenge those with thoughts of conspiracy and possible knowledge to add or prove such a topic…and are intending to try keep those or redirect those of interest in such a topic, no matter how small the effectiveness.

Again, I lean towards latter.

unlike conspiracy theorists i don't claim to have 'superior knowledge'...the knowledge i have is accessible to anyone if they bother to educate themselves...conspiracy theorists simply -haven't- bothered to educate themselves...

conspiracy theory is baseless slander and gossip...the bible tells us not to engage in slander or gossip...so conspiracy theorists who engage in these things are doing so in defiance of God's word...

those who habitually defy God's word...as conspiracy theorists do...are simply -not christians-

in my personal experience i have come under attack from people i have determined to be demon possessed just a few times since i became a christian...i don't believe it is a coincidence that in every case the demon possessed person -has been a conspiracy theorist-...

i have also been on the receiving end of some obviously psychotic and sociopathic behaviors...again always from conspiracy theorists...

so conspiracy theorists take an ungodly and unbiblical attitude towards the reputations of others and especially public figures...they have subjected me personally to their psychotic behaviors...and i have personally experienced a correlation between conspiracy theory and demon possession...

what do you -expect- me to conclude from all of that?

you need a third category for me...i have discernment and i see through the fake christianity of the oxymoronic 'christian' conspiracy theorists...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Well, you're going to have impostors on this site as they are assigned to infiltrate, keep an eye on, and control overall Christianity. Sometimes, there will be one impostor or pretend Christian for every about twelve real Christians in a church; it all depends on how big the church is and the importance of the church to God and satan. Basically every church or Christian organization that has a deliverance ministry, a prophetic ministry, or a counseling ministry will be infiltrated (especially churches with deliverance and prophetic ministries).

as i have pointed out before...you have yet to prove that a single person on this site is an 'impostor'...yet you keep making the claim without a single shred of evidence...

that is the -baseless slander- i mentioned in my previous post...

and don't talk about infiltrating deliverance ministries when every single closeted demon possessed person i have had the misfortune of meeting has been a conspiracy theorist just like you...

in fact...given that -projection- is an almost universally common characteristic of those given over to evil...your suggestion that those who reject conspiracy theory are 'highly demonized' is very telling...

 

[Allin]

as i have pointed out before...you have yet to prove that a single person on this site is an 'impostor'...yet you keep making the claim without a single shred of evidence...

that is the -baseless slander- i mentioned in my previous post...

and don't talk about infiltrating deliverance ministries when every single closeted demon possessed person i have had the misfortune of meeting has been a conspiracy theorist just like you...

in fact...given that -projection- is an almost universally common characteristic of those given over to evil...your suggestion that those who reject conspiracy theory are 'highly demonized' is very telling...

Rachel, I think you might tone down your volume a little if it dawned on you that I'm not going to argue with you and that I'm not going to defend myself whatsoever. You'll have to argue with what I write, because you aren't arguing with me.

Yes, there are impostors galore into Christianity. They have many mind-controlled slaves working for them, unfortunately, and doing their work for them. Maybe sometime soon I will start a thread showing discovered evidence and clues of the massive infiltration of Christianity in all spheres and aspects: churches, ministries, websites, counseling, etc. You probably won't enjoy it, but I can't help you there.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Tone it down a little. Great advice Allin. Why don't you follow that advice instead of continuing to falsely assert outlandish conspiracies few of which are even plausible much less true.

You lost ALL credibility with your pope and Queen Elizabeth II get together to hunt down, murder, and barbecue children in which you sourced a defrocked nut with a blog Allin.

ALL of it.

Rachel, I think you might tone down your volume a little if it dawned on you that I'm not going to argue with you and that I'm not going to defend myself whatsoever. You'll have to argue with what I write, because you aren't arguing with me.