'' I stand with Ukraine''? A short video you'll never see the media report

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JohnDB

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Politics is always business. Business is always politics.
He's just a Russian troll....don't sweat him....it's like talking to a brick wall. Completely deceitful as far as having a conversation with him....he is just looking for a reason to spout propaganda.
 

ZNP

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As for the official Ukraine Troll what exactly is the goal? Surely we do not expect the Ukrainians to fly F16s, they aren't trained, they don't have the runways, they don't have the maintenance crews, they don't have the support needed.

Also, it is unlikely they will bring any significant number of tanks to defend against Russia before they plow through the country.

So what is the goal here? Tell them yes when you know the real answer is no? Encourage the Ukrainians to go and fight to the very last 60 year old man in order to weaken Russia?

The US and NATO combined can definitely defeat Russia in a protracted conventional war, unless China, N. Korea, Iran join with Russia (in which case it will be much more complicated). But what if Russia is not willing to fight a conventional war that they know they will lose but instead decides to go nuclear? Who wins then?
 

cv5

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So what is the goal here? Tell them yes when you know the real answer is no? Encourage the Ukrainians to go and fight to the very last 60 year old man in order to weaken Russia?
Ding ding ding we have a winner.
 
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As for the official Ukraine Troll what exactly is the goal? Surely we do not expect the Ukrainians to fly F16s, they aren't trained, they don't have the runways, they don't have the maintenance crews, they don't have the support needed.

Also, it is unlikely they will bring any significant number of tanks to defend against Russia before they plow through the country.

So what is the goal here? Tell them yes when you know the real answer is no? Encourage the Ukrainians to go and fight to the very last 60 year old man in order to weaken Russia?

The US and NATO combined can definitely defeat Russia in a protracted conventional war, unless China, N. Korea, Iran join with Russia (in which case it will be much more complicated). But what if Russia is not willing to fight a conventional war that they know they will lose but instead decides to go nuclear? Who wins then?
No one. First strike response to a nuclear attack insures that.
 

JohnDB

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No one. First strike response to a nuclear attack insures that.
Nuclear weapons are the last thing for anyone to use....paybacks are usually too much and they destroy the stuff you want to take from the other nation.

You use them only to protect the world from whomever....because you are dead or dying anyway.
Which I don't think that we would do to Putin. He might put himself in that position....but not unless goaded into it.

And that brings up the point about what his advisors are telling him....is it the truth or what they think he wants to hear?

It matters in this situation.
 

cv5

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Yes, I also have this Dimitri commentator on my reading list.
I always want to understand both sides of the propaganda war.

  • The original quote is “The first casualty when war comes is truth”. Hiram W Johnson, staunchly isolationist senator for California, to the US Senate in 1917 (the year of his election to the Senate, where he remained until his death in 1945).
 

cv5

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He's just a Russian troll....don't sweat him....it's like talking to a brick wall. Completely deceitful as far as having a conversation with him....he is just looking for a reason to spout propaganda.
The difference between you and I:

You support a war solution in Ukraine.
I support a peace solution in Ukraine.

I want an immediate cease fire and negotiations to the extent of a treaty and end of hostilities.
No more casualties and destruction. Like now. Like yesterday.

And what exactly do you want? War with Russia until there is an end of the Russian nation and regime change there?
 

ZNP

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Nuclear weapons are the last thing for anyone to use....paybacks are usually too much and they destroy the stuff you want to take from the other nation.
Nope, not true. You aren't thinking about an EMP sent by balloon.

PROPHECY-- EMP (electro magnetic pulse)

Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of Jehovah is risen upon thee. 2 For, behold, darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the peoples; but Jehovah will arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. 3 And nations shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.