'' I stand with Ukraine''? A short video you'll never see the media report

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JohnDB

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What are you saying? That it is amoral for the West to allow Russia to "glue itself back together"?
What I'm having trouble with is the goals of the Republicans.

Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr. Both worked diligently and consistently to the dismantling of the kleptocracy known as the Soviet Union.

Now the Republicans want that kleptocracy to be put together again. As if communism and theft are the best things since sliced bread.

WHY?

I've not seen any explanation for why this is good. Especially when Russians have a history of stealing from Ukraine and its neighbors. (Potato famine and genocide of 1930's)

I completely understand why Ukraine wants to be independent of Russia.
What I don't understand is why Republicans have changed their minds about communism and kleptocracy.
 

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What I'm having trouble with is the goals of the Republicans.

Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr. Both worked diligently and consistently to the dismantling of the kleptocracy known as the Soviet Union.

Now the Republicans want that kleptocracy to be put together again. As if communism and theft are the best things since sliced bread.

WHY?

I've not seen any explanation for why this is good. Especially when Russians have a history of stealing from Ukraine and its neighbors. (Potato famine and genocide of 1930's)

I completely understand why Ukraine wants to be independent of Russia.
What I don't understand is why Republicans have changed their minds about communism and kleptocracy.
Reagan was elected in 1980 and 1984, so I suspect the number of people who voted for him and are still voting today is a small minority of the Republican party.

George Bush Sr. was a member of Skull and Bones and the head of the CIA, those two things alone are sufficient to conclude he was a very evil man.

You seem to have an agenda to paint all Republicans as immoral hypocrites. I don't believe that the Lord would approve of me trying to do that to 75 million Americans whether they are Republicans or Democrats. You have the right to your opinions but you have become so shrill that I can't read your posts anymore, simply skim them, see that is more of the same, and then move on.

But this one is a perfect example of how absurd they have become. People want peace and don't want a nuclear war. People see that it was unjust to try and get Ukraine to join NATO. People see that it was unjust to have bioweapons labs in Ukraine and to secretly test the weapons out on Ukrainians. Yet you want to condemn people for feeling this way because Ronald Reagan dismantled the USSR and they never even voted for him? You have become a caricature.
 

cv5

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What I'm having trouble with is the goals of the Republicans.

Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr. Both worked diligently and consistently to the dismantling of the kleptocracy known as the Soviet Union.

Now the Republicans want that kleptocracy to be put together again. As if communism and theft are the best things since sliced bread.

WHY?

I've not seen any explanation for why this is good. Especially when Russians have a history of stealing from Ukraine and its neighbors. (Potato famine and genocide of 1930's)

I completely understand why Ukraine wants to be independent of Russia.
What I don't understand is why Republicans have changed their minds about communism and kleptocracy.
Get a clue and give your head a shake. Russia is no longer communist. And crimes of the fathers do not accrue to the children.
And tell us what does the Bible says about hating your neighbor?

And the first thing the Repubs did after getting control of the House.....is clean house. Of the commie Democrat radical nutters.
Dems were committing TREASON with utter impunity day in day out. Omar and Schiff and others should be indicted. Omar, being guilty of immigration fraud and other crimes, should be deported.

Repubs are far far better in office than this Dem freak show. Every Repub governor stands up for the Constitution rights freedoms and common sense. Dem governors are a gang of insane irrational America hating criminals.
 

cv5

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Get a clue and give your head a shake. Russia is no longer communist. And crimes of the fathers do not accrue to the children.
And tell us what does the Bible says about hating your neighbor?

And the first thing the Repubs did after getting control of the House.....is clean house. Of the commie Democrat radical nutters.
Dems were committing TREASON with utter impunity day in day out. Omar and Schiff and others should be indicted. Omar, being guilty of immigration fraud and other crimes, should be deported.

Repubs are far far better in office than this Dem freak show. Every Repub governor stands up for the Constitution rights freedoms and common sense. Dem governors are a gang of insane irrational America hating criminals.
Oh.....and every Dem governor is on the vaxx crazy train, just like the House Dems and Grandpa Disaster, father of the meth, coke and porn addict. Repubs like DeSantis are emancipating their citizens from vaxx tyranny.
 

JohnDB

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Get a clue and give your head a shake. Russia is no longer communist. And crimes of the fathers do not accrue to the children.
And tell us what does the Bible says about hating your neighbor?

And the first thing the Repubs did after getting control of the House.....is clean house. Of the commie Democrat radical nutters.
Dems were committing TREASON with utter impunity day in day out. Omar and Schiff and others should be indicted. Omar, being guilty of immigration fraud and other crimes, should be deported.

Repubs are far far better in office than this Dem freak show. Every Repub governor stands up for the Constitution rights freedoms and common sense. Dem governors are a gang of insane irrational America hating criminals.
Russia still is communist....I don't know what gave you the idea it wasn't. It stopped trying to be capitalistic after Putin suspended elections and killed the last person who ran against him in their last election. They have been continuously incrementally been nationalizing industries.

Additionally,

One of the chief hallmarks of a kleptocracy is the oligarchs. They are the chief thieves of a kleptocracy. These oligarchs started as plutocrats but again its much easier to steal than to be financially successful.

So this claim that Russia is not a communist kleptocracy when they just annexed Crimea and in process annexing of Belarus by intimidation....

And so....
I'm going to need some real facts and not rhetoric to believe something opposite of what I am saying.
 

JohnDB

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Start around the 6 minute mark if you don't want to watch it all.

Clearly Reagan had a belief and goals of the elimination of the Soviets....something that Putin has claimed he wishes to return to quite blatantly and openly numerous times....including now.

There's a reason this matters. And I simply don't understand the Republicans anymore. Has money trumped morality? Or is it oppositional politics at work here.
 

JohnDB

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cv5

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Azerbaijan was the last country to attack Iran munitions factories....

Little wonder either as they find themselves squeezed between Russian aggression and Iranian aggression. If I was them I would hit them harder. Followed it up with more Israeli made missiles.
Armchair warriors always want moar war.
 

cv5

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"NATO has at most 50,000 combat troops in Europe...."

 

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JohnDB

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Armchair warriors always want moar war.
I definitely don't want more war.

Warcis stupid expensive and costs the lives of common people while "men in white shirts" decide the outcome. (Screwtape letters)

Look,
Russia is likely going to win this war.
Just the reality of the situation. Will Putin stop after winning Bakhmut?

I doubt it. Maybe for a while until he decides to annex more.
There's a reason why Poland is worried....
Same with Georgia, Slovakia and Czech Republic. If you think Crimea actually wanted to be annexed with Russia....think again. And some of the Crimeans are being used as cannon fodder or for mine clearing by marching them out into mine fields to die so the regular army can have a clear path.

Why you think that allowing this sort of thing is so wonderful I really don't know.