Is abortion murder?

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Enocish

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jaybird88 said:
i think most everyone agrees its wrong, the question was is it murder. some dont believe its right to re define life to fit political agendas.
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Thank you for the reply jaybird88, You can help me explain this, We as Christians believe Gods word to be true and just, Do a study of ten commandments, There are 4 different kinds of killing, 5 if you put suicide and mercy killings in its own category. I personally don't. but i can see where someone could make a great case for it. Out of those 4 killings only 1 of them is a sin. And which one is it, this is where a child of God should study to show him self-worth. Exodus 20:13, This is a bad translation. in the original text it actually says to do no murder. So it seems common sense that if abortion is taking a life and it is in self is wrong, then it falls into the category of murder. ( to think, plan and execute the taking of a life. Since it is a choice, People have to think about it, then plan were to go and how to pay for it, then go get it done.
My lack of understanding is why this should even be questioned and debated among Christians.
 
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Yes..i believe abortion is murder..its a human taking another humans life thats not consentual...in full disclosure..i had one when i was 25..repented of my sin..and am forgiven..however..theres always the arguement bout if a woman is raped and concieves etc..well..God has a plan for that babies life as well..even concieved in a horrible way...God can make beauty from ashes..He changes lives every day that way..if God didnt have a purpose for that baby..he would/could have prevented it..but knowing that God knows every hair on our heads and knew us before birth..how awesome is that..theres so many adoption options these days as well (my brother and i were adopted) ..
 
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Enocish said:
Thank you for the reply jaybird88, You can help me explain this, We as Christians believe Gods word to be true and just, Do a study of ten commandments, There are 4 different kinds of killing, 5 if you put suicide and mercy killings in its own category. I personally don't. but i can see where someone could make a great case for it. Out of those 4 killings only 1 of them is a sin. And which one is it, this is where a child of God should study to show him self-worth. Exodus 20:13, This is a bad translation. in the original text it actually says to do no murder. So it seems common sense that if abortion is taking a life and it is in self is wrong, then it falls into the category of murder. ( to think, plan and execute the taking of a life. Since it is a choice, People have to think about it, then plan were to go and how to pay for it, then go get it done.
My lack of understanding is why this should even be questioned and debated among Christians.
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but of course its common sense to think its taking a life. we live in a material world and most dont look past the physical, but to spiritual people, we believe in a spiritual world. a soul is a part of that world, unless you believe a soul is a physical object. Adam did not receive a soul until he breathed.
 
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An estimated 88,0008 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women8) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States. ... In 2014, alcohol-impaired driving fatalities accounted for 9,967 deaths (31 percent of overall driving fatalities).

So when are the pro life folk going to stand in front of a bar or state store or beer distributor hollering murders where are all the right wing so called pro life politicians how come they are not trying to reverse alcohol laws back to Prohibition days OH thats right they would not get many votes. because they ain't really pro life more like just anti abortion politicians trying to get your vote.
 
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An estimated 88,0008 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women8) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States. ... In 2014, alcohol-impaired driving fatalities accounted for 9,967 deaths (31 percent of overall driving fatalities).

So when are the pro life folk going to stand in front of a bar or state store or beer distributor hollering murders where are all the right wing so called pro life politicians how come they are not trying to reverse alcohol laws back to Prohibition days OH thats right they would not get many votes. because they ain't really pro life more like just anti abortion politicians trying to get your vote.
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Alcohol-related deaths, ( Although a tragedy ) it is not considered murder. Remember there are 4 different categories of killing, not all are sinful, Can't get around murder being as sin.
 
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Enocish said:
Alcohol-related deaths, ( Although a tragedy ) it is not considered murder. Remember there are 4 different categories of killing, not all are sinful, Can't get around murder being as sin.
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Murder is murder right...
Bartenders are just as much a murder as a abortionist ask some one who lost someone due to alcohol So when you taking your a murder sign to the local bar? And when are the right wing pro nothing folks going to pass laws against alcohol NOT they be hypocrites.
 
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Murder is murder right...
Bartenders are just as much a murder as a abortionist ask some one who lost someone due to alcohol So when you taking your a murder sign to the local bar? And when are the right wing pro nothing folks going to pass laws against alcohol NOT they be hypocrites.
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Bartenders do thier job and often cut people off when theyve had too much to drink..up to PERSON drinking to take responsibility for how much they drink..no one is forcing them..
 
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When abortion is illegal, the government will do things that you did not want them to do.

It's the consequences of making abortion illegal that people don't think about.

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Some say that a women should get no jail time, but some places they might say that it is murder (you have stated that you agree) and make it life in prison w/o parole. "Then you might say, I didn't want that to happen," but it will not be in your personal control.

Can a women prove that her miscarriage was not caused by her own actions? So that any woman who has a miscarriage has to prove that it wasn't her fault. Because the man accused her of it.

If a woman dies from an induced miscarriage, then Christians will say, "She deserved to die."

When abortion is illegal, it will ONLY be for poor women and not the rich. The rich can afford to leave the country and have a safe abortion in another country.

Start building the prisons for all the women who have an abortion or induce a miscarriage.

If a woman tells a friend that she is thinking of having an abortion, the friend tells the police and the woman is taken to jail until she gives birth.

What about a woman that has several abortions? Then she would have life in prison?

But don't worry, the government will have Christian panel of RCC priests and holy republicans review the cases.

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Have you considered the consequences of your actions and words?
 
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abcdef said:
When abortion is illegal, the government will do things that you did not want them to do.

It's the consequences of making abortion illegal that people don't think about.

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Some say that a women should get no jail time, but some places they might say that it is murder (you have stated that you agree) and make it life in prison w/o parole. "Then you might say, I didn't want that to happen," but it will not be in your personal control.

Can a women prove that her miscarriage was not caused by her own actions? So that any woman who has a miscarriage has to prove that it wasn't her fault. Because the man accused her of it.

If a woman dies from an induced miscarriage, then Christians will say, "She deserved to die."

When abortion is illegal, it will ONLY be for poor women and not the rich. The rich can afford to leave the country and have a safe abortion in another country.

Start building the prisons for all the women who have an abortion or induce a miscarriage.

If a woman tells a friend that she is thinking of having an abortion, the friend tells the police and the woman is taken to jail until she gives birth.

What about a woman that has several abortions? Then she would have life in prison?

But don't worry, the government will have Christian panel of RCC priests and holy republicans review the cases.

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Have you considered the consequences of your actions and words?
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Pretty harsh on women..but what ID like to know is..last i checked...it takes a MAN AS WELL...
 
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Jewel5712 said:
Pretty harsh on women..but what ID like to know is..last i checked...it takes a MAN AS WELL...
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Jewel,

The big question is, do we want to give the government this kind of power over women?

And maybe you would say yes. Did you think that in the future, there might be people in office who start to abuse this power to the extreme? Then they would point out that it is murder (you agree), and the 25 year prison term is appropriate.

Maybe only women should vote on this. Men might change their mind after being beaten and raped and then 9 months of being pregnant with a rapists child. But high minded and arrogant men want to pass laws that control people in ways that they are not supposed to.

And remember that the law would only apply to poor women who cannot afford to leave the country. Poor women will have to apply more primitive and dangerous ways to miscarriage. Shouldn't they have a right to a safer medical option?

You see, I don't believe in abortion. But I can't make that decision for others who need help.

Where there is law, there must also be mercy. Where is the mercy in these extremists views? Most of them have not thought about what happens after it is made illegal.
 
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abcdef said:
Jewel,

The big question is, do we want to give the government this kind of power over women?

And maybe you would say yes. Did you think that in the future, there might be people in office who start to abuse this power to the extreme? Then they would point out that it is murder (you agree), and the 25 year prison term is appropriate.

Maybe only women should vote on this. Men might change their mind after being beaten and raped and then 9 months of being pregnant with a rapists child. But high minded and arrogant men want to pass laws that control people in ways that they are not supposed to.

And remember that the law would only apply to poor women who cannot afford to leave the country. Poor women will have to apply more primitive and dangerous ways to miscarriage. Shouldn't they have a right to a safer medical option?

You see, I don't believe in abortion. But I can't make that decision for others who need help.

Where there is law, there must also be mercy. Where is the mercy in these extremists views? Most of them have not thought about what happens after it is made illegal.
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Please read my very previous post..it answerd this question..as for the government..thats NOT what the thread is about...i think IS ABORTION MURDER is how WE think bout it as humans and christians...and more importantly..isnt it GOD who judged a person if they sinned or not and what the BIBLE says more importantly..God..to me..is MUCH more important than any earthly goverment...examples..paul..silace...joseph...imprisoned for "government issues, but not GODs isues..yet Hod was able to USE those men for far greater things!
 
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Jewel5712 said:
Please read my very previous post..it answerd this question..as for the government..thats NOT what the thread is about...i think IS ABORTION MURDER is how WE think bout it as humans and christians...and more importantly..isnt it GOD who judged a person if they sinned or not and what the BIBLE says more importantly..God..to me..is MUCH more important than any earthly goverment...examples..paul..silace...joseph...imprisoned for "government issues, but not GODs isues..yet Hod was able to USE those men for far greater things!
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What should be the punishment for having an abortion or induced miscarriage? Or several abortions?

This applies to poor women only.
 
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I was aboned in a LA hospital as punishment to my father for getting her pregnant. I now have children and grand children that praise the lord abortion wasnt legal. I have no kind or publishable words except look at what you would have ended. 24873_1268813675383_6867139_n.jpg 24873_1268798395001_2869340_n.jpg
 
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calibob

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this sounds like a high school excuse but really, my dog [pit bull] eate my lap top, there's way more
 
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abcdef said:
What should be the punishment for having an abortion or induced miscarriage? Or several abortions?

This applies to poor women only.
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For one..ive already answered this question..GOD JUDGES not us..(theres biblical verses to stand by this one) 2. The MAN will be judged equally...and God doesnt decern people by thier income!
 
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Jewel5712 said:
Bartenders do thier job and often cut people off when theyve had too much to drink..up to PERSON drinking to take responsibility for how much they drink..no one is forcing them..
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So what that got to do with them selling a substance that is killing people. Not only do they cut people off they kill them on the highways of america it is a slaughtering ground They are murders... we could say that those performing abortion are just doing their job right..
 
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