Is the Earth a Globe?

[Harkins]

Earth is definitely not a globe. The curvature cannot be found (no, NASA is not a good source to "prove" this).

-Planes flying long distances would have to account for that curve by slightly pointing their nose down lest they constantly gain altitude. But they don't do that.

-Should be vast differences in flight times going due E or due W as flights would be going against the spin or with it, but there are not.

-All true vacuums are enclosed systems else they would lose their properties as a vacuum, however earth is supposed to defy this with a great force holding the atmosphere from whirling off into space, but letting all kinds of things defy that great force from the ground.

-The spinning ball theory now states we are hurtling through vast amounts of space, spinning around the galaxy - yet the constellations do not change year to year.

-During the Summer months, everyone can attest that the Sun is hottest at around midday, when it is directly overhead of one's position, and cooler in the morning and evening times. If the Sun were so far away and the earth were a spinning globe then the comparatively small distance covered from spinning towards the sun in the morning or away from it in the evening compared to the placement of a position at midday should mark no significant difference in temperature - but it does.

- If such a small distance (closer or farther from the sun) makes this much of a difference in temperature during a day, consider how extreme temperatures must be from larger distances, like the moon (where men are supposed to have walked), or Mars.

-Perfectly flat surfaces such as the surfaces of large lakes that have been frozen over should show a measurable amount of curve over a given distance if the earth is a globe, but they do not.

- Certain rivers like the Mississippi or the Nile impossibly flow uphill if the earth is a globe.

Lots of folks out there that just say Flat Earther's are "dumb" but really haven't given the topic a serious look or chance. Last I looked "Nasa said so" and contempt prior to investigation or simple herd mentality does not a mental giant make.

 

[MichaelOwen]

Earth is definitely not a globe. The curvature cannot be found (no, NASA is not a good source to "prove" this).

-Planes flying long distances would have to account for that curve by slightly pointing their nose down lest they constantly gain altitude. But they don't do that.

-Should be vast differences in flight times going due E or due W as flights would be going against the spin or with it, but there are not.

-All true vacuums are enclosed systems else they would lose their properties as a vacuum, however earth is supposed to defy this with a great force holding the atmosphere from whirling off into space, but letting all kinds of things defy that great force from the ground.

-The spinning ball theory now states we are hurtling through vast amounts of space, spinning around the galaxy - yet the constellations do not change year to year.

-During the Summer months, everyone can attest that the Sun is hottest at around midday, when it is directly overhead of one's position, and cooler in the morning and evening times. If the Sun were so far away and the earth were a spinning globe then the comparatively small distance covered from spinning towards the sun in the morning or away from it in the evening compared to the placement of a position at midday should mark no significant difference in temperature - but it does.

- If such a small distance (closer or farther from the sun) makes this much of a difference in temperature during a day, consider how extreme temperatures must be from larger distances, like the moon (where men are supposed to have walked), or Mars.

-Perfectly flat surfaces such as the surfaces of large lakes that have been frozen over should show a measurable amount of curve over a given distance if the earth is a globe, but they do not.

- Certain rivers like the Mississippi or the Nile impossibly flow uphill if the earth is a globe.

Lots of folks out there that just say Flat Earther's are "dumb" but really haven't given the topic a serious look or chance. Last I looked "Nasa said so" and contempt prior to investigation or simple herd mentality does not a mental giant make.

You have very valid points, but you're not going to be able to convince anyone of it. I'm a saved man of Christ, and I have studied science and math my whole entire life and have used that knowledge to help build satellites and rockets for Boeing and The National Aeronautics and Space Administration. A man can be saved and still believe in science. I don't agree with evolution or anything that goes against the Word of God, but after working in this field and studying my whole life for it and witnessing what I have witnessed and have heard testimony of, I can tell you the Earth is not flat. And that's all I can really say.

 

[Seedz]

You have very valid points, but you're not going to be able to convince anyone of it. I'm a saved man of Christ, and I have studied science and math my whole entire life and have used that knowledge to help build satellites and rockets for Boeing and The National Aeronautics and Space Administration. A man can be saved and still believe in science. I don't agree with evolution or anything that goes against the Word of God, but after working in this field and studying my whole life for it and witnessing what I have witnessed and have heard testimony of, I can tell you the Earth is not flat. And that's all I can really say.

I just find it odd that most Christians acknowledge evolution to be a farce, yet the same entities that say evolution is scientific fact are the same ones that implemented the globe agenda.

I am not attacking your intellect or beliefs, I am just sharing an observation.

 

[MichaelOwen]

I just find it odd that most Christians acknowledge evolution to be a farce, yet the same entities that say evolution is scientific fact are the same ones that implemented the globe agenda.

I am not attacking your intellect or beliefs, I am just sharing an observation.

No you're right about that. Many of them do declare it to be a farce, and I myself believe it to be false. The Word teaches us that God CREATED man, man didn't evolve from a fish, that sounds so stupid doesn't it? And it is sad that the same people that implemented the globe theory are the ones who push the theory of evolution and big bang crap. I never bought into any of that stuff studying.

 

[Seedz]

No you're right about that. Many of them do declare it to be a farce, and I myself believe it to be false. The Word teaches us that God CREATED man, man didn't evolve from a fish, that sounds so stupid doesn't it? And it is sad that the same people that implemented the globe theory are the ones who push the theory of evolution and big bang crap. I never bought into any of that stuff studying.

I understand why Christians can easily believe that evolution is a farce; that is mainly because the bible is very clear and literal about the creation of man. Most people will not argue against this.

Now, I believe the bible is also quite literal when it comes to describing the structure of the earth. I also believe that these descriptions are in the word because of the deception that God had foreseen.

Just humor me for a minute here...

In Genesis 2:7, the narrative tells us that God formed man literally from dust, breathed the breath of life into the nostrils, and that dust became a living being.

7 [FONT=&quot]And the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot] God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

[/FONT]Just as this statement is literal, so would this passage from psalms 148:4 describing part of the structure in which we live in.

4 [FONT=&quot]Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
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This is literally saying that there are waters above the heavens correct? If we can agree that man was literally created from dust, and live was breathed on him, then we can also say that this passage literally states water to be above the heavens.

Now, just like the evolution theory disregards completely that man was initially created in the image of God himself, the modern globe agenda does the same thing. Science does not acknowledge there to be water ABOVE the heavens.



Psalms is not the only passage that supports this view.

Genesis 1:6 tells us that God set the firmament to divide the waters from the waters.

6 [FONT=&quot]And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

[/FONT]We all know that in the beginning the earth was void and without form, also that the land and the waters were not separate, everything was sort of all over the place, until of course our wonderful God brought everything into order. This proves that the genesis 1:6 account is part of the creation and part of the structure which we live in.

If all of these accounts are true, then why has not science told us that there is a firmament keeping the heavenly waters out?

Just like evolution tells us we came from a fish or monkey, the globe model tells us we live in a spinning ball, floating in the universe, protected by a fragile and thin atmosphere.

The bible literally tells us that the earth is standing on fixed pillars as see in the 1 Samuel 2:8 passage

8 [FONT=&quot]He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot]'s, and he hath set the world upon them[/FONT]

Let's look at an other similar passage that mention the pillars...

Job 9:6
6 [FONT=&quot]Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

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So this is what I believe to be biblical proof of the motionless, enclosed earth system....

The globe system is very different from any of these literal accounts right out of the word of our Lord God Jesus Christ and creator.

 

[Sagart]

Yes Yah told me so;

Isaiah 40:22, “It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.”

Proverbs 8:26-29, “Before He made the earth or the fields, or any of the dust of the world, I, was with Him. When He prepared the heavens, I, was there. When He drew a circle on the face of the deep, When He established the clouds above, and securely fixed the fountains of the deep.”

“circle” is word #H2329 חוּג chuwg (choog) n-m., a circle., [from H2328], KJV: circle, circuit, compass. Root(s): H2328

Root word; H2328 חוּג chuwg (choog) v. to describe a circle., [a primitive root], KJV: compass, Compare: H2287

Job 26:7, “He stretches out the north sky over an empty space, and He hangs the earth upon nothing.”

Isa. 40:22. It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: (KJV)

Isa. 40:22. It is he who sits above the circle of the earth,
and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;
who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
and spreads them like a tent to live in; (NRSV)

This verse does NOT say that the earth is a circle! It says that the LORD sits upon the circle of the earth—the dome over the flat earth that had, before the Genesis flood, separated the oceans from the mass of water above the dome:

Gen. 6:6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.
9. And God said, “Let the waters under the sky be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so.
10. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. (NRSV)

Gen. 7:11. In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.
12. The rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights. (NRSV)

Moreover, only a flat earth has four corners:

Isa. 11:12. He will raise a signal for the nations,
and will assemble the outcasts of Israel,
and gather the dispersed of Judah
from the four corners of the earth. (NRSV)

Rev.7:1. After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind could blow on earth or sea or against any tree. (NRSV)

The literal four corners of the earth in the Bible gave rise to today’s popular expression.

Furthermore, Jesus was able to see all the kingdoms of the world from “a very high mountain.” This would have been impossible on a spherical earth:

Matt. 4:8. Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor; (NRSV)

Please see also here: The Circle of the Earth: Translation and Meaning in Isaiah 40:22

 

[breno785au]

Sagart, according to David's psalm, those waters still exist...

Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
Psalms 148:4 KJV

 

[pckts]

Sagart, according to David's psalm, those waters still exist...

Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
Psalms 148:4 KJV

[video=youtube;s1hD8c--BKo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1hD8c--BKo[/video]

 

[breno785au]

[video=youtube;s1hD8c--BKo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1hD8c--BKo[/video]

Don't get it...

 

[Magenta]

Don't get it...

The firmament is the space which includes the earth’s atmosphere and the celestial realm of sun, moon, planets, stars, etc. God called the firmament heaven. The baseball hits it as if it were a pane of glass, which shatters it, releasing the waters above the firmament to come splashing down...

 

[pckts]

The firmament is the space which includes the earth’s atmosphere and the celestial realm of sun, moon, planets, stars, etc. God called the firmament heaven. The baseball hits it as if it were a pane of glass, which shatters it, releasing the waters above the firmament to come splashing down...

Job 37:18
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King James Bible
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

 

[Seedz]

Don't get it...

The elite love to hide in plain sight, furthermore, they love to rub it in out face. It is called conditioning.

We have to realize as Christians that we are not of this world for a reason.

 

[breno785au]

The elite love to hide in plain sight, furthermore, they love to rub it in out face. It is called conditioning.

We have to realize as Christians that we are not of this world for a reason.

Yes, we are not of this world because we are citizens of heaven.