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RichMan

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Because I prepare for the unknown, some have suggested I lack faith in God's provision and care.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Part of trusting in God's care is to not trust in the people and things of this world.
Seems to me that most who say they trust in God are really saying "I trust God will will keep the grid working, my cell phone working, my bank open, my job and paycheck working, and of course Walmart open so I can buy what I need to live my normal life every day."
The things of this world will soon pass. Better ween yourselves off depending on them while you have time.
Noel and his sons spent 100 years building and stocking the ark so as to survive the flood.
I have done the best I can to build and stock my "ark" and trust God will keep it afloat.
Zephaniah 2:1-3
 
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RichMan said:
Because I prepare for the unknown, some have suggested I lack faith in God's provision and care.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Part of trusting in God's care is to not trust in the people and things of this world.
Seems to me that most who say they trust in God are really saying "I trust God will will keep the grid working, my cell phone working, my bank open, my job and paycheck working, and of course Walmart open so I can buy what I need to live my normal life every day."
The things of this world will soon pass. Better ween yourselves off depending on them while you have time.
Noel and his sons spent 100 years building and stocking the ark so as to survive the flood.
I have done the best I can to build and stock my "ark" and trust God will keep it afloat.
Zephaniah 2:1-3
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I wouldn't let it bother you. The Lord said this but if you ask them if they've ever seen the birds sitting on the light lines with their mouths open waiting for the food to drop in it they'll laugh and confess,,, "well no they fly around and look for the seeds and dig for the worms" https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 6:26-34&version=KJV
 
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iamsoandso said:
I wouldn't let it bother you. The Lord said this but if you ask them if they've ever seen the birds sitting on the light lines with their mouths open waiting for the food to drop in it they'll laugh and confess,,, "well no they fly around and look for the seeds and dig for the worms" https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 6:26-34&version=KJV
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The only thing that bothers me is that so many choose to be blind to what is happening right before their eyes.
 
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RichMan said:
The only thing that bothers me is that so many choose to be blind to what is happening right before their eyes.
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Ask them if they open their icebox and pantry and it's magically refilled every time or if they work to earn money then shop and refill it or grow it their own selves. Everyone fills their cabinets with food, some a weeks worth,some a month but others see to look at a longer amount of time. How much they gather up depends on what they see,,,some may not gather at all but others might gather enough to even feed those who didn't see to gather at all. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 41&version=KJV
 
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RichMan said:
Because I prepare for the unknown, some have suggested I lack faith in God's provision and care.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Part of trusting in God's care is to not trust in the people and things of this world.
Seems to me that most who say they trust in God are really saying "I trust God will will keep the grid working, my cell phone working, my bank open, my job and paycheck working, and of course Walmart open so I can buy what I need to live my normal life every day."
The things of this world will soon pass. Better ween yourselves off depending on them while you have time.
Noel and his sons spent 100 years building and stocking the ark so as to survive the flood.
I have done the best I can to build and stock my "ark" and trust God will keep it afloat.
Zephaniah 2:1-3
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I think part of it is a lot of Christians believe that they will be raptured away before things get rough for them. I personally don't buy in to that doctrine.
 
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Handyman62 said:
I think part of it is a lot of Christians believe that they will be raptured away before things get rough for them. I personally don't buy in to that doctrine.
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They might want to check with those people in Ukraine.
May be coming to your street soon.
 
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"A higher plane," hehe
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Magenta said:
Including toxic heavy metals...
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Copper in hard water messed me up for years. I had all kinds of bipolar symptoms in my teens and twenties. They wanted to put me on drugs... but fortunately a naturopath recommended doing a heavy metal detox instead. Most of my symptoms were gone in a couple months.

I do tend to soak up metals though. Copper in my youth, then I had a bout with aluminum in my twenties.

Interesting fact... some people are allergic to their own blood and hair. In reality, it's not their blood or hair itself that they are allergic to, but heavy metals pass out of your system partly in your hair and your blood carries a lot of stuff. You can be allergic to stuff IN your blood and hair. In my case, my own hair causes me some problems sometimes. Rashes, constant itching, etc.
 
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RichMan

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Do any of you own an electric car?
Would you buy one?
Can you afford to buy one?
From what I have read, the battery pack has a 100,000 mile life span and would cost over $20,000 to replace.
Would you be willing to spend $20,000 to repair a car with 100,000 miles?
Would you be able to sell one with 100,000 miles?
 
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"A higher plane," hehe
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RichMan said:
Do any of you own an electric car?
Would you buy one?
Can you afford to buy one?
From what I have read, the battery pack has a 100,000 mile life span and would cost over $20,000 to replace.
Would you be willing to spend $20,000 to repair a car with 100,000 miles?
Would you be able to sell one with 100,000 miles?
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I think the day is coming when none of us Americans will own cars.

I am interested in electric power but not for a car. I'll likely stick with a gas vehicle until they make them illegal. Hopefully by then I'll be established somewhere and won't need to commute long distances.
 
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RichMan said:
Do any of you own an electric car?
Would you buy one?
Can you afford to buy one?
From what I have read, the battery pack has a 100,000 mile life span and would cost over $20,000 to replace.
Would you be willing to spend $20,000 to repair a car with 100,000 miles?
Would you be able to sell one with 100,000 miles?
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Yes I would.
Can't afford one.
If I could afford an electric car I could afford a new battery pack.

Electric cars have virtually no maintenance which would offset the new pack price. Plus if you have a large enough solar array you can charge you car and not have to buy gas, which at todays price may more than pay for that battery.
 
Kait24

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now this is the way!!! I'm glad to see people on here who live off-grid it's my passion I want 10-100 acres and have solar and the whole 9.My opinion I don't trust the government and I also love the country.Not sure how bad Russia/ukraine will get but I KNOW inflation is really around 20% so yes just be prepared.
 
Lanolin

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RichMan said:
I began living off the power grid in 2006.
I use solar for lights, internet, and antenna tv.
I use wood for heat and some cooking.
I use about 200 gallons of propane for my fridge and cooking, but could do without if need be.
I use a gas generator to run my well pump to fill my four 300 gal water tanks once a month.
I use about 50 gallons of gas a year to power the pump, chain saw, and wood splitter.
I know most can not do as I do.
I began preparing to live this way in 1990.
The only utility bill I have received during the last 16 years is internet.
We got internet last July for the first time.
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where do you get the gas and propane from, just wondering..?
Does it cost you less to live this way or more...I imagine the set up costs where big to start with for solar?
Did you move out somewhere or could you afford to buy land somewhere that was unconnected, or did you just disconnect from the grid.
what about vehicle or do you just walk, use a bicycle, or ride a horse?
 
Lanolin

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we have transition towns here
Also permaculture workshops, but a lot of people cannot afford this...

baby boomers or those over 65 recieve the pension...even if they still work, they arent relying on govt but they have ALREADY have a cushion. However young people probably wont as it will be scrapped by the time they reach that age though they have savings they contribute to.

everything users pays and privatised will cost you. So if you are already very well off you can do it but most people are not in that (priveliged) position
 
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giardia
if you live somewhere that is polluted or not treated you'll probably get this.
 
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RichMan

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Lanolin said:
where do you get the gas and propane from, just wondering..?
Does it cost you less to live this way or more...I imagine the set up costs where big to start with for solar?
Did you move out somewhere or could you afford to buy land somewhere that was unconnected, or did you just disconnect from the grid.
what about vehicle or do you just walk, use a bicycle, or ride a horse?
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Living off grid is simply to not be connected to utilities such as electricity, water, gas, phone, cable TV, sewer.
I have a simple solar system to power lights, TV, and internet. Designed and built it myself at a cost of $1800.
I do buy about 200 Gallons of propane a year from a local provider. It is a convenience that I can live without if necessary.
Last July we got satellite internet. Another convenience we lived without for 15 years and can again.
I buy about 50 gallons of gas a year to power a well for water, chain saw and wood splitter.
Again it is a convenience that I can live without if necessary.
I have several large springs and creeks that I can get water from if need be.
I have 187 acres of trees, so I have enough fire wood for heat and cooking to last longer than I will live.
It would cost me 4 or 5 times as much to live in a city with all utilities even with the money I spend on those conveniences.
But what is most important is the peace of mind that if need be, I am completely self sufficient if and when the grids go down. I would not even notice unless some one came and told me.
How did we get here?
40 years of living a simple life, saving money instead of spending it on things not necessary.
We have always been debt free. If we could not pay cash we went without and still do.
 
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