Monsanto - A Genuine, Blatant Threat to the World's Crops

[Esanta]

Rarely do I take conspiratorial theories with anything but salt, however, after reading what I'm about to share, I feel that there is a genuine need for the American people to stand up and collectively do something about this.

There is a company that I would imagine many Americans are aware of, called Monstanto Corp, who in the past decade or so have gained an enormous monopoly on American crop production. They have somehow been able to patent genetically modified seeds, rope a very large percentage of America's farmers into leveraged debt and then force these farmers to use patented Monsanto seeds.

(Anyone interested in the backstory should watch 'Food Inc', available on Netflix).

Now, these crops are obviously GM, these Monsanto crops, and GM is illegal in Europe, farmers aren't allowed to use it because firstly, many GM foods have been deemed unfit for consumption by European Food Standards Agencies, but secondly because the pollen from these GM crops and the seeds also, like any pollen or seed, inevitably spread to other areas and other crops and we end up with GM everywhere, which isn't what we want.

Now, of course, these crops aren't illegal in America, and in fact, Monsanto GM crops are the majority of the American crop, predominantly corn crops. So, effectively, over 90% of Americas corn-growers are forced to use these seeds and the catch is that they can't 'save seeds'. Seed saving is the ages old practice of holding seeds over until the next year in order to replant. Those in charge of Monsanto Corp actually send investigators out to make sure farmers aren't seed saving. So every year, farmers have to pay for more seeds.

Now, obviously, living in Europe, all this seems like something that just shouldn't happen, it's like watching a science fiction film from afar and waiting for people to wake up, only now the biggest knife in society's back is about to come and the masses aren't out of slumber yet.

Monsanto have developed genetically engineered seeds with something called the 'terminator' gene, which effectively renders any seeds that grow on Monsanto crops sterile. This means that farmers definitely cannot seed save, this also means that farmers definitely must buy more seeds each year, and it also means those who can't afford to, won't.

But it has an even more sinister and detrimental effect (as though this company's practices could be more detrimental); it means that if pollen from these crops spreads long distance - South America, for instance, where Monsanto seeds have already gone - it could render crop's seeds sterile across the entire American continent.

This company is out to take away the farmer's rights to grow crops on their own land as humans have been doing for thousands of years. They're out to utterly control the entire chain of crop right from growth to supply and demand, and all for profit.

These people don't care about the farmers, they don't care about the famines, the environmental impact, all they care about are profits. Seriously, this is something that, as an advocate of farming rights, of competitive business, of good, safe, healthy, sustainable food, I urge you to heed. I urge you to spread this message, to challenge these people, to incite others into joining you because truly, this company is too powerful, and about to become even more so. They are too irresponsible, too callous and too focused on profits to care about your welfare.

Please, do something about this.

 

[KJV1611]

Rarely do I take conspiratorial theories with anything but salt, however, after reading what I'm about to share, I feel that there is a genuine need for the American people to stand up and collectively do something about this.

There is a company that I would imagine many Americans are aware of, called Monstanto Corp, who in the past decade or so have gained an enormous monopoly on American crop production. They have somehow been able to patent genetically modified seeds, rope a very large percentage of America's farmers into leveraged debt and then force these farmers to use patented Monsanto seeds.

(Anyone interested in the backstory should watch 'Food Inc', available on Netflix).

Now, these crops are obviously GM, these Monsanto crops, and GM is illegal in Europe, farmers aren't allowed to use it because firstly, many GM foods have been deemed unfit for consumption by European Food Standards Agencies, but secondly because the pollen from these GM crops and the seeds also, like any pollen or seed, inevitably spread to other areas and other crops and we end up with GM everywhere, which isn't what we want.

Now, of course, these crops aren't illegal in America, and in fact, Monsanto GM crops are the majority of the American crop, predominantly corn crops. So, effectively, over 90% of Americas corn-growers are forced to use these seeds and the catch is that they can't 'save seeds'. Seed saving is the ages old practice of holding seeds over until the next year in order to replant. Those in charge of Monsanto Corp actually send investigators out to make sure farmers aren't seed saving. So every year, farmers have to pay for more seeds.

Now, obviously, living in Europe, all this seems like something that just shouldn't happen, it's like watching a science fiction film from afar and waiting for people to wake up, only now the biggest knife in society's back is about to come and the masses aren't out of slumber yet.

Monsanto have developed genetically engineered seeds with something called the 'terminator' gene, which effectively renders any seeds that grow on Monsanto crops sterile. This means that farmers definitely cannot seed save, this also means that farmers definitely must buy more seeds each year, and it also means those who can't afford to, won't.

But it has an even more sinister and detrimental effect (as though this company's practices could be more detrimental); it means that if pollen from these crops spreads long distance - South America, for instance, where Monsanto seeds have already gone - it could render crop's seeds sterile across the entire American continent.

This company is out to take away the farmer's rights to grow crops on their own land as humans have been doing for thousands of years. They're out to utterly control the entire chain of crop right from growth to supply and demand, and all for profit.

These people don't care about the farmers, they don't care about the famines, the environmental impact, all they care about are profits. Seriously, this is something that, as an advocate of farming rights, of competitive business, of good, safe, healthy, sustainable food, I urge you to heed. I urge you to spread this message, to challenge these people, to incite others into joining you because truly, this company is too powerful, and about to become even more so. They are too irresponsible, too callous and too focused on profits to care about your welfare.

Please, do something about this.

Don't stop with Monsanto. Every major corporation is doing the same thing in their fields. If you want to know why this is happening, read about the Georgia Guide Stones. The goal is to reduce the earth's population down to I think a half billion people... that means that about 7.5 billion people have got to go. It's not just an American thing, it's coming to you guys in Europe also and the rest of the world. Also if you're not familiar with Agenda 21, read up in that too. We are on the verge of seeing a total worldwide police state.

 

[ThomistColin]

Okay, Man has been genetically modifying plants for thousands of years. Where do you think lemons, limes, apples, etc. come from? Heck, where do you think different breeds of dogs and cats come from? All Monsanto is doing is continuing man's genetic modification of plant down to a molecular level. Now, Monsanto is a rather nasty company that sues people for having genetically modified plants that came into people's property due to birds eating the fruit and dropping the seeds on other people's property. So...thats my problem with Monsanto, because birds don't understand property rights.

 

[Esanta]

Okay, Man has been genetically modifying plants for thousands of years. Where do you think lemons, limes, apples, etc. come from? Heck, where do you think different breeds of dogs and cats come from? All Monsanto is doing is continuing man's genetic modification of plant down to a molecular level. Now, Monsanto is a rather nasty company that sues people for having genetically modified plants that came into people's property due to birds eating the fruit and dropping the seeds on other people's property. So...thats my problem with Monsanto, because birds don't understand property rights.

The simple act of cross breeding is not 'genetically modifying'. Even crossbreeding two plants to make a cool, new, tasty fruit is nowhere near the same as deliberately genetically modifying crops that produce sterile seeds. Perhaps I can clarify the implications of this;

If pollen from a specific genetically modified 'terminator' plant fetilizes another plant of the same species, those fetilized plants will have roughly 50% sterile seeds. That means potentially 50% less crop the next year, especially if Monstanto hike up seed prices. Considering almost all of the major corn producers in America are contracted to Monsanto, we're talking pollen drift to South America, sterile seeds on massive scales right across the American continent - huge drops in crop production, mass famine, starvation.

 

[ThomistColin]

The simple act of cross breeding is not 'genetically modifying'. Even crossbreeding two plants to make a cool, new, tasty fruit is nowhere near the same as deliberately genetically modifying crops that produce sterile seeds. Perhaps I can clarify the implications of this;

If pollen from a specific genetically modified 'terminator' plant fetilizes another plant of the same species, those fetilized plants will have roughly 50% sterile seeds. That means potentially 50% less crop the next year, especially if Monstanto hike up seed prices. Considering almost all of the major corn producers in America are contracted to Monsanto, we're talking pollen drift to South America, sterile seeds on massive scales right across the American continent - huge drops in crop production, mass famine, starvation.

Okay first it is genetic modification. Restudy Mendel and his discovery of traits and genetics. Also, that is not Monsanto's point. Monsanto's corn modifications are entirely based on a form of corn that does not spoil as quickly and can be grown in climates where corn production is usually impossible. Monsanto's hope is to increase crop production and to open new markets. Capitalism fails when people are dying because they can't eat. Remember supply and demand and the invisible hand of the market. Monsanto is a money making organization that has high hopes to be fully involved in the terraforming of other planets, plus Monsanto is the only American company seeking to help create a biosphere that can be placed upon the moon.

They are not an evil conglomerate out to destroy the world. They are a cold hearted money making enterprise, and that means they are extremely practical and protective of their patents. You know what does not make money, death, except for undertakers, and I'm fairly sure that Monsanto doesn't have some secret ownership of the American funeral business.

Honestly, Monsanto's three major productions at this point are: self creating inspect repellant plants, cross climate produce, and produce that is genetically modified to have a longer shelf life. Thats it. Now, could there be long term effects to the plants that are creating insect repellant? Possibly. Thats a problem, and Monsanto is continually submitting itself to scientific study and re-evaluation by the FDA as to if the repellent levels will cause any form of sickness. (So far those studies have shown no correlation to cancer. The only problem that was discovered is that these specific plants are more dangerous for those who are allergic to the plant naturally.) Could a cross climate produce force a world dependence on a single crop causing any form of famine to be devastating? Yes, thats possible, which is why Monsanto is studying thise method of modification on a wide variety of produce so as to diversify the world food source. (Seriously, every plant biologist has been drilled time and time again about the Irish Potato Famine.) And as for those GMO produce that have a longer shelf life, the only detriment found about them is that they are far more bland compared to their non-GMO counterparts. So, apparently taste is low on Monsanto's priorities.

And again to reiterate, man has been genetically modifying plants for a long time. Case in point, tomatoes. Do you know why those in the 1500s-1600s believed tomatoes were poisonous? Because they were. Tomatoes come from the nightshade family, as do potatoes by the way. Humans cultivated the crop, do the their widespread consistent crop and to their ability to be easily harvested. From the Aztecs to 1600s Europe, tomatoes were crossbreed and grafted onto plants in order to lower the toxin levels. It was successful and the modern tomato now exists. The end result is a fruit that is commonplace, but don't eat the vines or the leaves, those are still highly poisonous, not enough to kill you (unless you take a large amount), but enough to take you to the hospital with by far the worst stomach cramp that you've ever had, plus vomiting. By the way, our crossbreeding and all that, led to the total wipeout of the original tomato, which no longer exists, do to cross pollination. That lead to an increase in mosquitoes and fruit flies. So, in modern times fruits that are indigenous to where the tomato is from are often spoiled far quicker due to the proliferation of fruit flies, and malaria cases have skyrocketed. Is anyone complaining? Nope. No one is claiming the industrial tomato complex is out to kill us.

 

[Esanta]

Okay first it is genetic modification. Restudy Mendel and his discovery of traits and genetics. Also, that is not Monsanto's point. Monsanto's corn modifications are entirely based on a form of corn that does not spoil as quickly and can be grown in climates where corn production is usually impossible. Monsanto's hope is to increase crop production and to open new markets. Capitalism fails when people are dying because they can't eat. Remember supply and demand and the invisible hand of the market. Monsanto is a money making organization that has high hopes to be fully involved in the terraforming of other planets, plus Monsanto is the only American company seeking to help create a biosphere that can be placed upon the moon.

They are not an evil conglomerate out to destroy the world. They are a cold hearted money making enterprise, and that means they are extremely practical and protective of their patents. You know what does not make money, death, except for undertakers, and I'm fairly sure that Monsanto doesn't have some secret ownership of the American funeral business.

Honestly, Monsanto's three major productions at this point are: self creating inspect repellant plants, cross climate produce, and produce that is genetically modified to have a longer shelf life. Thats it. Now, could there be long term effects to the plants that are creating insect repellant? Possibly. Thats a problem, and Monsanto is continually submitting itself to scientific study and re-evaluation by the FDA as to if the repellent levels will cause any form of sickness. (So far those studies have shown no correlation to cancer. The only problem that was discovered is that these specific plants are more dangerous for those who are allergic to the plant naturally.) Could a cross climate produce force a world dependence on a single crop causing any form of famine to be devastating? Yes, thats possible, which is why Monsanto is studying thise method of modification on a wide variety of produce so as to diversify the world food source. (Seriously, every plant biologist has been drilled time and time again about the Irish Potato Famine.) And as for those GMO produce that have a longer shelf life, the only detriment found about them is that they are far more bland compared to their non-GMO counterparts. So, apparently taste is low on Monsanto's priorities.

And again to reiterate, man has been genetically modifying plants for a long time. Case in point, tomatoes. Do you know why those in the 1500s-1600s believed tomatoes were poisonous? Because they were. Tomatoes come from the nightshade family, as do potatoes by the way. Humans cultivated the crop, do the their widespread consistent crop and to their ability to be easily harvested. From the Aztecs to 1600s Europe, tomatoes were crossbreed and grafted onto plants in order to lower the toxin levels. It was successful and the modern tomato now exists. The end result is a fruit that is commonplace, but don't eat the vines or the leaves, those are still highly poisonous, not enough to kill you (unless you take a large amount), but enough to take you to the hospital with by far the worst stomach cramp that you've ever had, plus vomiting. By the way, our crossbreeding and all that, led to the total wipeout of the original tomato, which no longer exists, do to cross pollination. That lead to an increase in mosquitoes and fruit flies. So, in modern times fruits that are indigenous to where the tomato is from are often spoiled far quicker due to the proliferation of fruit flies, and malaria cases have skyrocketed. Is anyone complaining? Nope. No one is claiming the industrial tomato complex is out to kill us.

Are you a biologist? This is the sort of argument I usually make against conspiracy theorists, so thank you for that, you've taught me something I didn't know! But ThomistCollin, would a genuinely scientifically responsible, commercially responsible, greeny organisation such as the MOnsanto you portray, patent crops and subdue most of America's farmers? I mean, PATENTED CROPS! That's quite a crazy word combination to hear, coming from Europe.

Would such a bio-responsible, seemingly ambitious-to-promote-biodiversity company sue people for having plants in the gardens, courtesy of birds droppings?

I feel an uneasy contradiction between your portrayal of them as a responsible company and their practices.

 

[PoxEclipse]

Roundup

[video=youtube;N6_DbVdVo-k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_DbVdVo-k[/video]



The Horrific Truth About Monsanto's Roundup Herbicide

Glyphosate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

^ Because homemade youtube videos by bored potheads is the best source of information Pox can find.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Nicely stated ThomistColin.

Okay first it is genetic modification. Restudy Mendel and his discovery of traits and genetics. Also, that is not Monsanto's point. Monsanto's corn modifications are entirely based on a form of corn that does not spoil as quickly and can be grown in climates where corn production is usually impossible. Monsanto's hope is to increase crop production and to open new markets. Capitalism fails when people are dying because they can't eat. Remember supply and demand and the invisible hand of the market. Monsanto is a money making organization that has high hopes to be fully involved in the terraforming of other planets, plus Monsanto is the only American company seeking to help create a biosphere that can be placed upon the moon.

They are not an evil conglomerate out to destroy the world. They are a cold hearted money making enterprise, and that means they are extremely practical and protective of their patents. You know what does not make money, death, except for undertakers, and I'm fairly sure that Monsanto doesn't have some secret ownership of the American funeral business.

Honestly, Monsanto's three major productions at this point are: self creating inspect repellant plants, cross climate produce, and produce that is genetically modified to have a longer shelf life. Thats it. Now, could there be long term effects to the plants that are creating insect repellant? Possibly. Thats a problem, and Monsanto is continually submitting itself to scientific study and re-evaluation by the FDA as to if the repellent levels will cause any form of sickness. (So far those studies have shown no correlation to cancer. The only problem that was discovered is that these specific plants are more dangerous for those who are allergic to the plant naturally.) Could a cross climate produce force a world dependence on a single crop causing any form of famine to be devastating? Yes, thats possible, which is why Monsanto is studying thise method of modification on a wide variety of produce so as to diversify the world food source. (Seriously, every plant biologist has been drilled time and time again about the Irish Potato Famine.) And as for those GMO produce that have a longer shelf life, the only detriment found about them is that they are far more bland compared to their non-GMO counterparts. So, apparently taste is low on Monsanto's priorities.

And again to reiterate, man has been genetically modifying plants for a long time. Case in point, tomatoes. Do you know why those in the 1500s-1600s believed tomatoes were poisonous? Because they were. Tomatoes come from the nightshade family, as do potatoes by the way. Humans cultivated the crop, do the their widespread consistent crop and to their ability to be easily harvested. From the Aztecs to 1600s Europe, tomatoes were crossbreed and grafted onto plants in order to lower the toxin levels. It was successful and the modern tomato now exists. The end result is a fruit that is commonplace, but don't eat the vines or the leaves, those are still highly poisonous, not enough to kill you (unless you take a large amount), but enough to take you to the hospital with by far the worst stomach cramp that you've ever had, plus vomiting. By the way, our crossbreeding and all that, led to the total wipeout of the original tomato, which no longer exists, do to cross pollination. That lead to an increase in mosquitoes and fruit flies. So, in modern times fruits that are indigenous to where the tomato is from are often spoiled far quicker due to the proliferation of fruit flies, and malaria cases have skyrocketed. Is anyone complaining? Nope. No one is claiming the industrial tomato complex is out to kill us.

 

[ThomistColin]

Are you a biologist? This is the sort of argument I usually make against conspiracy theorists, so thank you for that, you've taught me something I didn't know! But ThomistCollin, would a genuinely scientifically responsible, commercially responsible, greeny organisation such as the MOnsanto you portray, patent crops and subdue most of America's farmers? I mean, PATENTED CROPS! That's quite a crazy word combination to hear, coming from Europe.

Would such a bio-responsible, seemingly ambitious-to-promote-biodiversity company sue people for having plants in the gardens, courtesy of birds droppings?

I feel an uneasy contradiction between your portrayal of them as a responsible company and their practices.

I agree, however, the patent is not on the crops themselves but the genetic code. Unfortunately, this became possible when an American doctor drew blood from a man who had spontatneously become HIV-. It turns out his antibodies has a mutation that allowed it to adapt to the HIV and destroy it. The Doctor patented the man's blood and mutation, making millions of dollars when he sold the patent to a pharmaceutical company. The man took the doctor to court and the court's ruled that the Doctor was within his rights because the blood had been outside of the man at the time of the patent. Monsanto used that verdict to convince the US government that any form of genetic coding could be patented, opening the way for their patents.

 

[ThomistColin]

Are you a biologist? This is the sort of argument I usually make against conspiracy theorists, so thank you for that, you've taught me something I didn't know! But ThomistCollin, would a genuinely scientifically responsible, commercially responsible, greeny organisation such as the MOnsanto you portray, patent crops and subdue most of America's farmers? I mean, PATENTED CROPS! That's quite a crazy word combination to hear, coming from Europe.

Would such a bio-responsible, seemingly ambitious-to-promote-biodiversity company sue people for having plants in the gardens, courtesy of birds droppings?

I feel an uneasy contradiction between your portrayal of them as a responsible company and their practices.

Also, Monsanto is a scientifically responsible company, but like most companies its greedy. Think of Monsanto as Ebenezer Scrooge. not Soilent Green.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Contamination is a problem. I agree with you. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court dismissed the case in January that had the potential to rectify lawsuits from Monsanto against small farmers whose property Monsanto's GM seeds had contaminated. So we'll have to wait for another lawsuit and another time.

BUT, a U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington, D.C. did hand American small farmers a partial victory when the three justices agreed with the farmers’ assertion that contamination by Monsanto was inevitable. The justices ordered Monsanto not to sue American farmers whose fields were contaminated with trace amounts of patented material, which the Court defined as 1%.

I hope the Supreme Court does take on a case where American farms become contaminated by GM seeds, despite the farm's best attempts to prevent it from happening, for I think the 1% bar will be raised perhaps up to 10% in that scenario which would provide protection for small farmers from costly and burdensome lawsuits by companies like Monsanto.

Maybe even more importantly than that; however, is the problem of companies like Monsanto patenting common seeds.

In most areas of the world, contrary to what some say, GM seeds are not the only seeds with Intellectual Property Rights. Almost all conventional (non-GM) and organic hybrid seeds are patented and cannot legally be saved for use in the next planting season. <--This should not be legal.

One of the most dangerous problems that will arise from past, present, and future trade agreements is the ability for large companies to use the legal systems of governments around the world to destroy and enslave family farms and independent growers.

And there are many other negative consequences. Watch this video: Narrative Interlude: Suing ... on Livestream

This is truly Orwellian and quickly becoming a reality.

Are you a biologist? This is the sort of argument I usually make against conspiracy theorists, so thank you for that, you've taught me something I didn't know! But ThomistCollin, would a genuinely scientifically responsible, commercially responsible, greeny organisation such as the MOnsanto you portray, patent crops and subdue most of America's farmers? I mean, PATENTED CROPS! That's quite a crazy word combination to hear, coming from Europe.

Would such a bio-responsible, seemingly ambitious-to-promote-biodiversity company sue people for having plants in the gardens, courtesy of birds droppings?

I feel an uneasy contradiction between your portrayal of them as a responsible company and their practices.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Okay first it is genetic modification. Restudy Mendel and his discovery of traits and genetics. Also, that is not Monsanto's point. Monsanto's corn modifications are entirely based on a form of corn that does not spoil as quickly and can be grown in climates where corn production is usually impossible. Monsanto's hope is to increase crop production and to open new markets. Capitalism fails when people are dying because they can't eat. Remember supply and demand and the invisible hand of the market. Monsanto is a money making organization that has high hopes to be fully involved in the terraforming of other planets, plus Monsanto is the only American company seeking to help create a biosphere that can be placed upon the moon.

They are not an evil conglomerate out to destroy the world. They are a cold hearted money making enterprise, and that means they are extremely practical and protective of their patents. You know what does not make money, death, except for undertakers, and I'm fairly sure that Monsanto doesn't have some secret ownership of the American funeral business.

Honestly, Monsanto's three major productions at this point are: self creating inspect repellant plants, cross climate produce, and produce that is genetically modified to have a longer shelf life. Thats it. Now, could there be long term effects to the plants that are creating insect repellant? Possibly. Thats a problem, and Monsanto is continually submitting itself to scientific study and re-evaluation by the FDA as to if the repellent levels will cause any form of sickness. (So far those studies have shown no correlation to cancer. The only problem that was discovered is that these specific plants are more dangerous for those who are allergic to the plant naturally.) Could a cross climate produce force a world dependence on a single crop causing any form of famine to be devastating? Yes, thats possible, which is why Monsanto is studying thise method of modification on a wide variety of produce so as to diversify the world food source. (Seriously, every plant biologist has been drilled time and time again about the Irish Potato Famine.) And as for those GMO produce that have a longer shelf life, the only detriment found about them is that they are far more bland compared to their non-GMO counterparts. So, apparently taste is low on Monsanto's priorities.

And again to reiterate, man has been genetically modifying plants for a long time. Case in point, tomatoes. Do you know why those in the 1500s-1600s believed tomatoes were poisonous? Because they were. Tomatoes come from the nightshade family, as do potatoes by the way. Humans cultivated the crop, do the their widespread consistent crop and to their ability to be easily harvested. From the Aztecs to 1600s Europe, tomatoes were crossbreed and grafted onto plants in order to lower the toxin levels. It was successful and the modern tomato now exists. The end result is a fruit that is commonplace, but don't eat the vines or the leaves, those are still highly poisonous, not enough to kill you (unless you take a large amount), but enough to take you to the hospital with by far the worst stomach cramp that you've ever had, plus vomiting. By the way, our crossbreeding and all that, led to the total wipeout of the original tomato, which no longer exists, do to cross pollination. That lead to an increase in mosquitoes and fruit flies. So, in modern times fruits that are indigenous to where the tomato is from are often spoiled far quicker due to the proliferation of fruit flies, and malaria cases have skyrocketed. Is anyone complaining? Nope. No one is claiming the industrial tomato complex is out to kill us.

i agree with this mostly...except i think the safety of monsanto's genetic engineering methods has not been established yet to a point where they should be mass marketing...they are cutting corners...

specifically there is a concern that their final genetic product is not entirely 'stable'...and that bits of genetic material may break off in a form sort of like a viroid that could cause harmful effects...

but still they are at most guilty of profiteering and cutting corners...not plotting some huge conspiracy against the world's plant production systems...

 

[Stephen63]

Have any of the Monsanto lovers investigated what they're doing in South America, forcing the farmers to use their product by integrating their seeds on purpose to sterilize farmer's crops? Investigate before you jump on board with them.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I'm not sure what you mean so maybe you could better explain it. What I read is that Monsanto is selling seedless drought-tolerant GMO seeds to African farmers and the complaints I read online are that they're materially misrepresenting the output of these seeds to the point some farmers are ending up with losses as the expected crop outputs promised them fail to materialize but yet are still stuck in their contracts anyways going broke and hungry. I read other serious issues about soil infertility, etc... are being created. If true, this is obviously uber-predatory behavior that needs to end ASAP imo.

I'm also reading that Monsanto and other multinational agribusiness corporations are attempting to patent the majority of heritage seeds in each country which, of course, is simply evil. People should have a legal right to use heirloom seeds and reseed as they go without having to buy anything from a multinational agribusiness corporation to do so.

Have any of the Monsanto lovers investigated what they're doing in South America, forcing the farmers to use their product by integrating their seeds on purpose to sterilize farmer's crops? Investigate before you jump on board with them.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

soil infertility would not be a result of monsanto's seeds but it could easily be a result of the farming techniques monsanto encourages for use with its products...for example roundup is not good for soil organisms...

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

That's exactly what I read. Thanks for restating it.

soil infertility would not be a result of monsanto's seeds but it could easily be a result of the farming techniques monsanto encourages for use with its products...for example roundup is not good for soil organisms...

 

[PoxEclipse]

Why?

^ Because homemade youtube videos by bored potheads is the best source of information Pox can find.

Why would you say something so hurtful/slanderous in a public 'Christian' forum? I was doing nothing but attempting to share that the major danger posed by GMO crops rests with the herbicides sprayed. The nutritionally deficient GMO strains come a distant second in potential danger.

Here's another one I didn't get around to yet...maybe someone else can research this one in-depth.

Atrazine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I was under the impression that the sharing of knowledge/information that might actually help prevent illness/death was a goal to be pursued, not ridiculed/mocked for.

I spend too much time researching data for CC and other forums to be laughed at and ridiculed. If you had an issue with me, you should have PM'd me in private and let me know. This ceaseless Jerry Springer type derailing of OP's threads is rude and disrespectful in the extreme. You and everyone who partakes in this activity should be ashamed of yourselves. The sad thing is...you probably view belittling and reducing people to tears in the name of Christ as 'fun'.

I will not be posting any more at CC. I have had enough of trying to reason with unreasonable people. I leave for a while, then come back thinking things will be different but they never are. The same old arguments...going in circles with the same mindless speculations. You call yourselves Christian? Ambassadors of Christ? WHAT A JOKE! All you people are doing is making a laughing stock of Christianity. It's no wonder the world thinks we're a bunch of ignorant, self-righteous jerks! No one ever shows them anything else!


Here's some information on the 'pot smoking' director of this documentary.

The World According to Monsanto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The World According to Monsanto is a 2008 film directed by Marie-Monique Robin. Originally released in French as Le monde selon Monsanto, the film is based on Robin's three-year long investigation into the corporate practices around the world of the United States multinational corporation, Monsanto.[SUP][1][/SUP] The World According to Monsanto is also a book written by Marie-Monique Robin, winner of the Rachel Carson Prize (a Norwegian prize for female environmentalists),[SUP][2][/SUP] which has been translated into many languages.

Marie-Monique Robin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Marie-Monique Robin (born 1960, Poitou-Charentes) is a French TV journalist and documentary filmmaker. She received the 1995 Albert Londres Prize for Voleurs d'yeux (1994), an expose about organ theft; best political documentary award from the French Senate for a 2003 film about the transfer of French counter-insurgency techniques (including torture) to Argentina; and the Rachel Carson Prize for her work on Monsanto.


Goodbye peoples, it's truly been an experience in futility (one I never wish to repeat again). I really do have more profitable ways to spend my time than being laughed at for caring about you.

P.


Admins, go ahead and delete my account. It will lessen the temptation of coming back to CC which I never want to do again. This place truly has become a brood of vipers.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Re: Why?

Admins, go ahead and delete my account. It will lessen the temptation of coming back to CC which I never want to do again. This place truly has become a brood of vipers.

^ Why would you say something so hurtful/slanderous in a public 'Christian' forum?

I was doing nothing but attempting to get you to dig deeper. For example, the film claims that GMO use has increased suicide rates of farmers in India. However, research by IFPRI has shown that this is not the case: Bt Cotton and Farmer Suicides in India: An Evidence-based Assessment". The Journal of Development Studies 47 (2). 2011.

How ironic that you engage in exactly the same behavior you accuse others of doing. How ironic that you did it in the very same post.

 

[Stephen63]

^ Because homemade youtube videos by bored potheads is the best source of information Pox can find.

I usually agree with you, but not today.....You missed it...... the mark, the point, everything. If it were me, I would take this as an insult. IMO, it doesn't matter what the "other" guy is, we're supposed to be better than that. No post gives us this excuse.

Instead of becoming our brother's keeper, we become what we think he is. That's what the real trolls want.