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The religion of the founding fathers really needs to be taken on a case by case basis.
Thomas Paine was the most radically atheist example from the era. He didn't mass-publish his atheist views until he reacted the French Revolution. If you read Common Sense, you'll see that he couches his arguments in Christian imagery so as to appeal more to the American population.
Thomas Jefferson was whatever Thomas Jefferson wanted to be at the moment.
Benjamin Franklin was the most doctrinaire deist (if a deist can be doctrinaire).
John Adams was more orthodox in his youth, went unitarian, then (it's believed) came back home in his old age.
Patrick Henry would have been a Reformed Episcopalian if the denomination existed at the time.
George Washington was an Anglican of varying fervency.
Sam Adams with a Congregationalist.
Alexander Hamilton was most definitely a Christian.
James Madison is a toughee for me. Reading one document, I think he's right on. With the next, damned.
There were plenty of founding fathers we do not generally talk about. Gouvernor Morris, Gwinnet Button, John Jay, Benjamin Rush, etc etc etc. Most of them were what we would describe as orthodox, trinitarian, gold ole-timey Christians.
When it comes to religious belief among the Founding heavyweights, it was a case by case basis. They generally shared a belief though that Christianity and virtues emanating from belief were essential to the conception and maintenance of a Republic.
Thomas Paine was the most radically atheist example from the era. He didn't mass-publish his atheist views until he reacted the French Revolution. If you read Common Sense, you'll see that he couches his arguments in Christian imagery so as to appeal more to the American population.
Thomas Jefferson was whatever Thomas Jefferson wanted to be at the moment.
Benjamin Franklin was the most doctrinaire deist (if a deist can be doctrinaire).
John Adams was more orthodox in his youth, went unitarian, then (it's believed) came back home in his old age.
Patrick Henry would have been a Reformed Episcopalian if the denomination existed at the time.
George Washington was an Anglican of varying fervency.
Sam Adams with a Congregationalist.
Alexander Hamilton was most definitely a Christian.
James Madison is a toughee for me. Reading one document, I think he's right on. With the next, damned.
There were plenty of founding fathers we do not generally talk about. Gouvernor Morris, Gwinnet Button, John Jay, Benjamin Rush, etc etc etc. Most of them were what we would describe as orthodox, trinitarian, gold ole-timey Christians.
When it comes to religious belief among the Founding heavyweights, it was a case by case basis. They generally shared a belief though that Christianity and virtues emanating from belief were essential to the conception and maintenance of a Republic.
Obviously you know absolutely nothing regarding Thomas Paine since for starters he was a Deist.
"As to the Christian system of faith, it appears to me as a species of Atheism- a sort of religious denial of God. It professes to believe in a man rather than in God. It is a compound made up chiefly of Manism with but little Deism, and is as near to Atheism as twilight is to darkness. It introduces between man and his Maker an opaque body, which it calls a Redeemer, as the moon introduces her opaque self between the earth and the sun, and it produces by this means a religious, or an irreligious, eclipse of light. It has put the whole orbit of reason into shade.
The effect of this obscurity has been that of turning everything upside down, and representing it in reverse, and among the revolutions it has thus magically produced, it has made a revolution in theology.
That which is now called natural philosophy, embracing the whole circle of science, of which astronomy occupies the chief place, is the study of the works of God, and of the power and wisdom of God in his works, and is the true theology.
As to the theology that is now studied in its place, it is the study of human opinions and of human fancies concerning God. It is not the study of God himself in the works that he has made, but in the works or writings that man has made; and it is not among the least of the mischiefs that the Christian system has done to the world, that it has abandoned the original and beautiful system of theology, like a beautiful innocent, to distress and reproach, to make room for the hag of superstition."
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
2nd, Common Sense was published in 1776, six months before the Declaration of Independence was signed while the French Revolution didn't occur until 1789
“A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.”
― Thomas Paine, Common Sense
I guess your supports your position regarding the U.S. being founded as a Christian based Nation that "his arguments in Christian imagery so as to appeal more to the American population."
“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid or produces only atheists or fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of despotism, and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests, but so far as respects the good of man in general it leads to nothing here or hereafter.”
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
"As to the Christian system of faith, it appears to me as a species of Atheism- a sort of religious denial of God. It professes to believe in a man rather than in God. It is a compound made up chiefly of Manism with but little Deism, and is as near to Atheism as twilight is to darkness. It introduces between man and his Maker an opaque body, which it calls a Redeemer, as the moon introduces her opaque self between the earth and the sun, and it produces by this means a religious, or an irreligious, eclipse of light. It has put the whole orbit of reason into shade.
The effect of this obscurity has been that of turning everything upside down, and representing it in reverse, and among the revolutions it has thus magically produced, it has made a revolution in theology.
That which is now called natural philosophy, embracing the whole circle of science, of which astronomy occupies the chief place, is the study of the works of God, and of the power and wisdom of God in his works, and is the true theology.
As to the theology that is now studied in its place, it is the study of human opinions and of human fancies concerning God. It is not the study of God himself in the works that he has made, but in the works or writings that man has made; and it is not among the least of the mischiefs that the Christian system has done to the world, that it has abandoned the original and beautiful system of theology, like a beautiful innocent, to distress and reproach, to make room for the hag of superstition."
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
2nd, Common Sense was published in 1776, six months before the Declaration of Independence was signed while the French Revolution didn't occur until 1789
“A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.”
― Thomas Paine, Common Sense
I guess your supports your position regarding the U.S. being founded as a Christian based Nation that "his arguments in Christian imagery so as to appeal more to the American population."
“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid or produces only atheists or fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of despotism, and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests, but so far as respects the good of man in general it leads to nothing here or hereafter.”
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
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It is true that Pagans had a number of leaders and Heroes that were considered Sons of God. The Romans also believed that their Emperors were gods. Constantine worshiped Sol Invictus, the Sun God. He believed that Jesus was the incarnation of Sol Invictus which is one reason why he legalized Christianity.
While I can't say what the Romans believed, the Roman Republic was ruled by statesmen called Consuls, nothing suggests that they were viewed as divine beings merely elected officials. Although it isn't inconsistent with the kings or a hereditary monarchy to deem that the ruler was divine, or rather a God, that doesn't seem to be case in Ancient Rome prior to 27 BC.
It was only following the assassination of Julius Caesar in 44 BC that the Triumvirate period began during which time Caesar was deified by the Romans as a God, posthumously. In Exodus 7:1 where it is written that the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a God to Pharaoh, who himself was deemed a God, which of truth might be evidence that our Creator made all Gods equal, but I digress. The deification of Julius Caesar occurred in 42 BC. And in 27 BC, the new Roman Empire began with the adopted heir of Julius Caesar, Gaius Octavius being designated as the first Emperor of the new Empire. Augustus is referenced in in Luke 2:1
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should tithe.
The first Emperor of the Roman Empire officially held the title, Imperator Caesar Divi Filius Augustus. And it was at that time the Roman Emperor was considered to be 'Divi Filius' which is latin for Son of God.
27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.
28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
Acts 26
It was only following the assassination of Julius Caesar in 44 BC that the Triumvirate period began during which time Caesar was deified by the Romans as a God, posthumously. In Exodus 7:1 where it is written that the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a God to Pharaoh, who himself was deemed a God, which of truth might be evidence that our Creator made all Gods equal, but I digress. The deification of Julius Caesar occurred in 42 BC. And in 27 BC, the new Roman Empire began with the adopted heir of Julius Caesar, Gaius Octavius being designated as the first Emperor of the new Empire. Augustus is referenced in in Luke 2:1
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should tithe.
The first Emperor of the Roman Empire officially held the title, Imperator Caesar Divi Filius Augustus. And it was at that time the Roman Emperor was considered to be 'Divi Filius' which is latin for Son of God.
27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.
28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
Acts 26
J
from what i have read Constantine was a very devoted sun worshiper. if this is true it makes you wonder how much damage He did to the faith. they did a good job burning and destroying every bit of Christian knowledge outside of rome, labeled them all heretics, and then wrote their history which would almost certainly would be biased.
when exposing someone of wickedness, the last thing you would do is burn the evidence that proves who they really are, thats the last thing you would do. people only hide evidence when its incriminating to themselves.
when exposing someone of wickedness, the last thing you would do is burn the evidence that proves who they really are, thats the last thing you would do. people only hide evidence when its incriminating to themselves.
J
we dont hate america.
the right for blacks and women to vote, 8 hr work day, right for workers to organize, public schools etc. when these ideas were first proposed, those few at the top with the wealth and power fought tooth and nail against these things. these few think they own america and they think we are nothing. these are the ones we hate.
the right for blacks and women to vote, 8 hr work day, right for workers to organize, public schools etc. when these ideas were first proposed, those few at the top with the wealth and power fought tooth and nail against these things. these few think they own america and they think we are nothing. these are the ones we hate.
Did you know that before battle soldiers would look for their commander and chief, George Washington. Eventually it was known that before battle he would go in a secluded place to pray. He is also known as bulletproof George Washington. In all the battle he was in he never once got shot. He had bullet holes in his uniform but never once was he shot.
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You mean this george washington...who was he really praying to the Great Architect or guiding light aka lucifer? And no that apron is not to bake cookies for his soldiers ....it's a masonic apron and a portrait he commissioned to show his pride in being a mason.....
Don't believe all that crap they tell in history books about trying to make legends like Honest Abe etc....Abe Lincoln was an athiest who mocked the deity of Christ by calling him a b@$tard....and this is not conspiracy this is fact from his own hand written letters and biography....honest abe is bs he was a man like us who sinned (probably even lied) and to say he never lied is complete crap....
History books are made to make dark truths seem more palatable and fuzzy but if the truth were ever found out....the darkest secrets of men would reveal that most of "history" as they say in the books is just whitewashed lies....
U
Here for those interested is the 60 minutes piece about the apotheosis painting...
Building the Capitol Dome - CBS News
FACT not fiction.....
Building the Capitol Dome - CBS News
FACT not fiction.....
J
more stuff i have learned about masons. they have often refereed to themselves as "the builders". the ones that built the tower of babel were known as "the builders".
in the americas most the cultures all had similar belief system, one creator, and they followed the laws of Noah. but then the Inca, aztecs, maya, and anazazi fell from this, became polytheistic, sacrificed humans and children and became very dark. these new ways were taught from the sky people, those that fell from the sky which sounds like fallen angels from Gen 6. the greatest gift these fallen ones gave according to these cultures, building technology.
the masons claim they built Solomons temple. we know Solomon built the temple but who else does the bible say had a hand in its construction, the Canaanite descendants.
in the americas most the cultures all had similar belief system, one creator, and they followed the laws of Noah. but then the Inca, aztecs, maya, and anazazi fell from this, became polytheistic, sacrificed humans and children and became very dark. these new ways were taught from the sky people, those that fell from the sky which sounds like fallen angels from Gen 6. the greatest gift these fallen ones gave according to these cultures, building technology.
the masons claim they built Solomons temple. we know Solomon built the temple but who else does the bible say had a hand in its construction, the Canaanite descendants.
U
You are right, and also every modern civilization has some type of pyramid/ziggurat whether mesopotamians/babylonians, egyptians, and inca and aztecs all have that "stairway to heaven" no im not talking the heavy metal song....but the idea behind that was ascending to godhood by climbing up the "ladder/steps" ascending to divinity/crossing over to the spiritual side.....even the zorastrians ahura mazda built ziggurats like this....
the first city builders were cain's descendants which goes to show how modern cities are just advanced blueprints of cain's design and also why after 2 decades most cities start to decline to a level like chicago or detroit.....sure we marvel about skyscrapers and all that but the underlying theme is worshipping of man/his creations/intelligence which is a form of self worship which is rooted in satan.....
the first city builders were cain's descendants which goes to show how modern cities are just advanced blueprints of cain's design and also why after 2 decades most cities start to decline to a level like chicago or detroit.....sure we marvel about skyscrapers and all that but the underlying theme is worshipping of man/his creations/intelligence which is a form of self worship which is rooted in satan.....
J
your right it goes back to cain being the first city builder. no matter how advanced we get we will never be able to duplicate the truly beautiful things of this world, birth of a child, love for a wife, starting a family, these are the things you remember at the end of your life, not giant buildings and shopping malls. i will choose the Lords gifts every time.
You simply don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. The shadow government of today did not exist in colonial America. The powers of international finance and banking had not taken over yet. Look further forward to after the American Civil War; that's when the money powers began to take over.