Salvation

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Protek

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The salvation of all that has ever been and ever will be. That is Jesus to me.

The difference between knowing his name and rejecting it, being a life of knowing love or knowing wandering.

When one knows the name of the lord one tends to be kept in peace, relatively speaking. Speak the name of the lord and you have a friend. Not one that keeps you from pain or turmoil, rather one that says "I will stay next to you through the troubles of this world". That is the meaning of this world, to know pain and strife. Understanding that the lord is with you in love through all of it, that is peace. Don't get me wrong, even those kept in salvation are not immune to suffering. That is the definition of this world. We must suffer to know evil. However the truest of the lord are kept in companionship.
 
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blue_ladybug

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1. Why is this in the Conspiracies forum?

2. There are several threads on salvation already, in the Bible Discussion forum.. :)
 
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Protek

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blue_ladybug said:
1. Why is this in the Conspiracies forum?

2. There are several threads on salvation already, in the Bible Discussion forum.. :)
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Because my view of salvation isn't supported by the general christian community. And if I'm honest it doesn't make sense if you really think about it. There are obviously evil people in this world that deserve Hell. But all thing's considered I can't accept eternal hell. I don't think that I could ever accept eternal peace knowing that there is the slightest bit of eternal hell. In my mind every time I try to understand what an "evil" person is I can't help but think of my own misguided self. And I have strayed pretty far in my days. I understand the impulses, I get the traps and I can acknowledge the desperation.

In the end all I can say is that the lord didn't let me get pulled under, I came close and I suffered dearly for my misgivings, to the point that the majority of man wouldn't understand the word suffering. He never gave me more than I could endure, and trust me I gave up more than I can count and in fact it was more than I could endure, I was destroyed time and time again for extended periods of time.

But I'm still here. And I have hope. Somehow the hope never died. And that was due to my guardian angel. I had a Jesus Lite next to me every second. And that saved me.

You have the Alpha and the Omega, and he disseminates himself into ever smaller pieces to the point that part of him is next to every living thing. That exponentially smaller part of the lord of all thing's, is your little angel. The mightiest in his smallest form. He knows all of you and if he saw fit could bring all of creation upon you. But he is patient and wants to be next to you, unheard and unknown in the smallest of bits.
 
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Protek

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All are saved for they have the love of the truest next to them through all things. Heaven and hell can not separate you from love. THIS is biblical conspiracy
 
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One either accepts the Word of God or they don't..

Those who reject the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ will not be saved..

And the eternal lake of fire is clearly established in scripture..

Declaring that this is not so simply because of ones personal feelings about it shows a lack of trust in the Word of God and a desire to create a religion that conforms to ones personal feelings as to what God should do rather then simply trusting that what ever God will do is good and true and justified..

Making oneself god and creating ones own personalized / modified religion is revealing a lack of trust in the Actual God of all existence..
 
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kaylagrl

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Protek said:
All are saved for they have the love of the truest next to them through all things. Heaven and hell can not separate you from love. THIS is biblical conspiracy
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Sorry, your belief doesn't come from God. All people are not saved, only those who call on His name and believe in Him and that He died to save us from sin. Hell is complete separation from God and it is a choice. The Bible says "choose you this day who you will serve".

I was at my mothers last week and began reading a book on the Holocaust. One of the Nazi heads, Himmler I believe, admitted that he had Jewish babies thrown into the fire because the gas didn't work on them. When the wee ones tried to climb out, the Nazi devils threw them back in again. That disturbed me so greatly that I awoke that night sweating and in tears. All are saved? No sir, they are not. God gives them over to a reprobate mind. They made their choice and they are in hell today.
 
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kaylagrl said:
Sorry, your belief doesn't come from God. All people are not saved, only those who call on His name and believe in Him and that He died to save us from sin. Hell is complete separation from God and it is a choice. The Bible says "choose you this day who you will serve".

I was at my mothers last week and began reading a book on the Holocaust. One of the Nazi heads, Himmler I believe, admitted that he had Jewish babies thrown into the fire because the gas didn't work on them. When the wee ones tried to climb out, the Nazi devils threw them back in again. That disturbed me so greatly that I awoke that night sweating and in tears. All are saved? No sir, they are not. God gives them over to a reprobate mind. They made their choice and they are in hell today.
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And like the rich man....are TORCHERED in the flame......You know....during the last year of the war some 3.5 million German troops were killed in combat....and cowards like Himmler, Goebbles the rat, Hitler and Goering whacked themselves......everyone of them that died lost busted hell wide open at their coming and there is always room for ONE MORE<--It opens it's mouth WITHOUT MEASURE!!
 
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Protek

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Who here has truly suffered hellfire? Or rather holy cleansing fire?

I have and I can say that the depths of torment given by hell are deserved by no man. The things I have done in this world pail in comparison to the evilest in the history of our times, but my suffering has been exponentially worse than the trivial things I have done. When one is condemned beyond all means and wants nothing more than an end to suffering, then one truly knows the salvation of the lord. As he went into the pit of fire and set free the prisoners, this is his form to some who never knew him. This is a knowing of salvation and Jesus on fire that your average christian has no concept for. When you are shot in the face over and over and haven't slept in as long as you can remember and you have no concept to why these things are happening...... yet you say the name of the lord and he gives you a few minutes of rest........... THIS is salvation. A lord that will not allow any soul that was once loved suffer endlessly, a lord that has at one point loved every thing that has been and will not let them go to the chaos that is Satan and hell.

I will say that I do not know where to draw the line, rather I fully understand that all I ever did was be an arrogant youth and never really even did anything illegal, yet I suffered at the hands of demons for more years than I like to admit. I found the lord on fire and he told me that he loved me, and that gave me the will to endure the things that should not be endured.

There is a place for speaking of eternal damnation, there is a place for speaking of accepting the lord and when one doesn't they are cast into hell for that choice. But there is also a place for speaking about love that doesn't cower to evil and has zero concern for past actions. If one who is condemned hears that they are loved for no reason other than Jesus is who he says he is, they can't help but accept him.

Hell is beyond what any amount of disobedience should bring down upon one, it is pure disbelief. If any person who hears that love is next to them through pure suffering then I have done my job.

You can do your job and speak of going against sin, I speak of enduring sin with hope.
 
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