Should artificial intelligence be allowed to evolve

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Should artificial intelligence be allowed to evolve

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • No

    Votes: 11 68.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No I have My reasons why they shouldn't

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • Total voters
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ZNP

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Is AI good?

Consider Facebook. In many ways that was good. Churches all live stream their services to facebook, people are able to connect with hundreds of others easily, it makes it easy to keep in contact with friends and family around the globe.

But while you have been doing that they have collected tremendous information on every person in the planet, especially who knows who, who is friends with who, and also what you think, what you like, etc. It has been a tremendous intelligence gathering tool. Just as google was too.

And then when they wanted to control what people thought they used algorithms to control their news feed, and they censored, shadow banned and suspended anyone that they wanted to silence. This could never have happened had Facebook not been "good". It's success was because everyone used it and churches had become dependent on it. They couldn't even think of cancelling their Facebook account so that meant they had to censor what they said in the meetings so their site didn't get flagged and suspended.

So you tell me, is Facebook good? Is google good? No one is good but God.
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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This is the beast that is unlike the other beasts we read about in Revelation.

The thing is, you glom on to every conspiracy trend du jour (remember King Charles :rolleyes:). I've stopped taking your posts seriously a long time ago because of that.


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I look forward to it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/...e-neuralink-elon-musk-telepathy-a9097821.html

Brain-computer interface will make people telepathic, scientists say

People will communicate 'not only without speaking but without words - through access to each other's thoughts at a conceptual level

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the discussion if telepathy was 100 percent accurate should doctors allow major surgery, on the basis the cyborg could read telepathy whilst performing surgery and acting upon that telepathy.

the telepathy would also record the level of shock,

the surgical cyborg would know exactly how deeply to go in a cut
 

ZNP

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The thing is, you glom on to every conspiracy trend du jour (remember King Charles :rolleyes:). I've stopped taking your posts seriously a long time ago because of that.


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Time will tell.

You aren't the first to tell me that, I heard that about the Pandemic, about the vaccine, about Hunter Biden's laptop, about election fraud, about child trafficking, and of course about the rapture.

We will all have to give account of every word spoken, so I will see you at that time.
 

ZNP

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https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/...e-neuralink-elon-musk-telepathy-a9097821.html

Brain-computer interface will make people telepathic, scientists say

People will communicate 'not only without speaking but without words - through access to each other's thoughts at a conceptual level

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the discussion if telepathy was 100 percent accurate should doctors allow major surgery, on the basis the cyborg could read telepathy whilst performing surgery and acting upon that telepathy.

the telepathy would also record the level of shock,

the surgical cyborg would know exactly how deeply to go in a cut
Communicate or be controlled? Once you have a brain computer interface the computer will not only see what you are seeing and hear what you are hearing but can feed you things to see and hear. You will not be able to think for yourself and if you think it is hard determining what is real now, it will be as close to impossible then as it can be.
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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Time will tell.

You aren't the first to tell me that, I heard that about the Pandemic, about the vaccine, about Hunter Biden's laptop, about election fraud, about child trafficking, and of course about the rapture.

We will all have to give account of every word spoken, so I will see you at that time.

Considering that you've posted so much on all these hokey conspiracies that can mislead others, just tend to your own spoken words.


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Eli1

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https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/...e-neuralink-elon-musk-telepathy-a9097821.html

Brain-computer interface will make people telepathic, scientists say

People will communicate 'not only without speaking but without words - through access to each other's thoughts at a conceptual level

View attachment 259241

the discussion if telepathy was 100 percent accurate should doctors allow major surgery, on the basis the cyborg could read telepathy whilst performing surgery and acting upon that telepathy.

the telepathy would also record the level of shock,

the surgical cyborg would know exactly how deeply to go in a cut
Dear friend, i am aware of this. In fact i knew about this almost 7 years ago when a man implanted a chip in his head to control a machine in New York while he was located in England.
First of all this has nothing to do with AI.
Secondly the language that is used on the title is misleading too. You are not telepathic when you're issuing commands to a machine. That's a command but coming from the brain via a chip instead of typing on a keyboard.
This is what i would categorize under 'general weirdness' where people do weird stuff like changing their sex because they have mental issues.
But this has nothing to do with AI or telepathy.
 
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Communicate or be controlled? Once you have a brain computer interface the computer will not only see what you are seeing and hear what you are hearing but can feed you things to see and hear. You will not be able to think for yourself and if you think it is hard determining what is real now, it will be as close to impossible then as it can be.
I'm not sure what else may be included in the plans, but one of the main inputs would be the cyborgs ability to read telepathic thoughts from the patient and then make a decision to act upon those readings
 
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Dear friend, i am aware of this. In fact i knew about this almost 7 years ago when a man implanted a chip in his head to control a machine in New York while he was located in England.
First of all this has nothing to do with AI.
Secondly the language that is used on the title is misleading too. You are not telepathic when you're issuing commands to a machine. That's a command but coming from the brain via a chip instead of typing on a keyboard.
This is what i would categorize under 'general weirdness' where people do weird stuff like changing their sex because they have mental issues.
But this has nothing to do with AI or telepathy.
A1 is not talked upon as not just something artificial, it is also discussed on the bases of technology evolving, which I understand is your point

But it's also called A1 because it's not human

You may say well it has to have the data input from humans.

The discussion we where discussing was upon technology advancing far past human capacity
 

Eli1

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A1 is not talked upon as not just something artificial, it is also discussed on the bases of technology evolving, which I understand is your point

But it's also called A1 because it's not human

You may say well it has to have the data input from humans.

The discussion we where discussing was upon technology advancing far past human capacity
Well, how we call things is important. Goes back to being accurate in concepts or words.
Ai would imply a self-conscious entity with its own free-will which may reject the commands we issue or ignore the base code we gave it and write its own code.
So that's why the term "AI" is incorrect.
 

ZNP

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I'm not sure what else may be included in the plans, but one of the main inputs would be the cyborgs ability to read telepathic thoughts from the patient and then make a decision to act upon those readings
I'm pretty sure that with each brain implanted the computer would have eyes, ears and a mouth as part of its network. I also believe the computer would have control over the people who were chipped and not the other way around.
 

Magenta

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Should artificial intelligence be allowed to evolve?
A resounding NO!

We need only look at Washington DC ...to see the reason why.
Are you suggesting that Washingtonians are intelligent, and/or that they evolve? .:unsure::whistle::giggle:
 

ZNP

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Well, how we call things is important. Goes back to being accurate in concepts or words.
Ai would imply a self-conscious entity with its own free-will which may reject the commands we issue or ignore the base code we gave it and write its own code.
So that's why the term "AI" is incorrect.
What are the 4 types of artificial intelligence?
Arend Hintze, an assistant professor of integrative biology and computer science and engineering at Michigan State University, explained that AI can be categorized into four types, beginning with the task-specific intelligent systems in wide use today and progressing to sentient systems, which do not yet exist. The categories are as follows.
  • Type 1: Reactive machines. These AI systems have no memory and are task-specific. An example is Deep Blue, the IBM chess program that beat Garry Kasparov in the 1990s. Deep Blue can identify pieces on a chessboard and make predictions, but because it has no memory, it cannot use past experiences to inform future ones.
  • Type 2: Limited memory. These AI systems have memory, so they can use past experiences to inform future decisions. Some of the decision-making functions in self-driving cars are designed this way.
  • Type 3: Theory of mind. Theory of mind is a psychology term. When applied to AI, it means the system would have the social intelligence to understand emotions. This type of AI will be able to infer human intentions and predict behavior, a necessary skill for AI systems to become integral members of human teams.
  • Type 4: Self-awareness. In this category, AI systems have a sense of self, which gives them consciousness. Machines with self-awareness understand their own current state. This type of AI does not yet exist.
Your definition of AI is type 4.

A more general and all encompassing definition

AI, or Artificial intelligence is the simulation of human intelligence processes by machines, especially computer systems.

Another definition is anything that can pass the Turing test.

Neither of these tests require it to be self conscious with a free will. As long as it can mimic human intelligence it would be considered AI.

For example, if a self driving car can perform as well or better than a human being, that would be mimicking human intelligence and can be called AI. The "intelligence" can be narrow and specific to a certain task or it can be general and wide ranging as was demonstrated with Watson when it won at Jeopardy. We now have type 3 AI which is used to make predictions with better accuracy than humans.
 

ZNP

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Well, how we call things is important. Goes back to being accurate in concepts or words.
Ai would imply a self-conscious entity with its own free-will which may reject the commands we issue or ignore the base code we gave it and write its own code.
So that's why the term "AI" is incorrect.
correct and it's important to discuss this discussion on that basis.

Because this is what we where discussing.

But to me I believe it's no longer a discussion but a reality that is already evolving 🙂

Why else would there be so much discussion on whether it should be allowed to evolve with no limits
 

LightOfMyLife

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I believe they are dangerous and will turn on people. Just the name artificial intelligence has a bad connotation. If something sounds too good to be true, that means it isn't. They will take over peoples jobs as well. Totally against it.
 

Eli1

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What are the 4 types of artificial intelligence?
Arend Hintze, an assistant professor of integrative biology and computer science and engineering at Michigan State University, explained that AI can be categorized into four types, beginning with the task-specific intelligent systems in wide use today and progressing to sentient systems, which do not yet exist. The categories are as follows.
  • Type 1: Reactive machines. These AI systems have no memory and are task-specific. An example is Deep Blue, the IBM chess program that beat Garry Kasparov in the 1990s. Deep Blue can identify pieces on a chessboard and make predictions, but because it has no memory, it cannot use past experiences to inform future ones.
  • Type 2: Limited memory. These AI systems have memory, so they can use past experiences to inform future decisions. Some of the decision-making functions in self-driving cars are designed this way.
  • Type 3: Theory of mind. Theory of mind is a psychology term. When applied to AI, it means the system would have the social intelligence to understand emotions. This type of AI will be able to infer human intentions and predict behavior, a necessary skill for AI systems to become integral members of human teams.
  • Type 4: Self-awareness. In this category, AI systems have a sense of self, which gives them consciousness. Machines with self-awareness understand their own current state. This type of AI does not yet exist.
Your definition of AI is type 4.

A more general and all encompassing definition

AI, or Artificial intelligence is the simulation of human intelligence processes by machines, especially computer systems.

Another definition is anything that can pass the Turing test.

Neither of these tests require it to be self conscious with a free will. As long as it can mimic human intelligence it would be considered AI.
My first response to this would be :
Does your own intelligence and reason questions what some professor and computer specialists says?
Based on your last answer i would say no, you don't because you're buying what he says.

So my next question would be:
Ask Professor Hintze what is human intelligence and why do we even use this word intelligence?
Let's start from there.

My response to intelligence, which encompasses a faith-based answer for us who are blessed to believe, would be:

Intelligence is what we got from our God who created us in His image, where He gave us His attributes which involve intelligence, self-awareness, consciousness and most importantly free-will.

Now, if Professor Hintze wants to be part of a marketing team that's fine with me, but that doesn't make his reasoning or yours correct. Because he is lumping 4 categories into one word. That word, intelligence, is reserved for us right now.