Should we support police ?

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Dude653

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I don't know why we're talking about covid, as it has precisely squat to do with the original topic, but yeah I get why cops are necessary but I also feel like they should be held to a higher standard when they break the law
 

Dude653

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Yeah the defund the police movement is idiotic
But I do feel like there is utility in giving officers Jiu-Jitsu training
This teaches the officer to maintain control of a resisting suspect using leverage techniques
It's almost as if it would be bad for four police officers who have no idea what they're doing to end up suffocating a guy to death when he's already prone and handcuffed
 

ZNP

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Yeah the defund the police movement is idiotic
But I do feel like there is utility in giving officers Jiu-Jitsu training
This teaches the officer to maintain control of a resisting suspect using leverage techniques
It's almost as if it would be bad for four police officers who have no idea what they're doing to end up suffocating a guy to death when he's already prone and handcuffed
It would be even more useful if the got Keanu Reeves to teach them how to do that stopping bullet thing he does in the Matrix.
 

Dude653

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It would be even more useful if the got Keanu Reeves to teach them how to do that stopping bullet thing he does in the Matrix.
Jiu jitsu does have utility for the reasons I mentioned above. It teaches the officer to maintain and control of a suspect using leverage techniques, even if the suspect is bigger and stronger than you
So at the officer actually knows what he's doing, he may be less likely to kill the guy trying to subdue him
Rener Gracie is a professional MMA fighter in jiu-jitsu instructor who teaches this the police officers
I can find a YouTube link of him discussing this if you are interested
 

Dude653

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Why are we talking about abortion when it has precisely squat to do with the topic we're discussing?
 

Icedaisey

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Imagine America with no police. 🤯

The rich politicians that claim to stand behind the Defund the Police movement are a riot. They're typically also the same one's that are all for outlawing guns.
As they move about in their daily entitled life with fully armed SS protection 24/7.
And that should then make obvious their real meaning. They're all for stopping the working class and poor from having guns. Couple that with no police and it would be open season amid the 99%,while the elite 1% remain safe in their ivory castles.
 

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mailmandan

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Police officers move to Florida over anti-cop sentiments in liberal states
 
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I used to think we should support the police, then I met a bunch of them. I had a senior elective requirement in ethics for philosophy, and I had to take Criminal Justice Ethics to fill it. I had been in classes online at APUS with almost entirely military, medical, corrections and EMS people for four years, and I'd found out what they are like as people. The police follow the law, and I'll grant you that that's both true, and a worthy character virtue. However, as many original intent constitutional scholars have been saying for years, activist courts have been changing the laws, and making the country less free, especially in terms of personal self expression or free speech, for many years. It basically goes back to the sixties. The police have become cynical and political, they mostly manipulate, and the ones I met in class chatted in the introductions and social forums about how they never try to help people, never take calls unless the person is immediate family or another officer of the law or in another branch to the state forces. The corrections people swapped snappy answers to hard race questions and stories about how they'd rebuffed citizens in jail who complained of bad treatment, bragged about how tough they were and talked about plans to get richer after retirement. Basically, "the police" aren't even a cohesive unit anymore, and people on the forces, while one may occasionally crack and let it slip that he wishes the law was different, are just union dues paid time servers hanging on to their badges, so they can keep their guns and defend their own skins. I'm not going to judge them for that, the riots are serious and they need to defend themselves. However, they haven't defended me and have been unfriendly, so I also don't support them, and they very obviously don't need my support anyway, they are trained and fit, they have cars radios and guns, and they are perfectly capable of supporting themselves.

When you talk about supporting the police, there's too much sentimentality involved. The police are being integrated, there are just as many political and corrupt and activist cops as there are lawyers and judges, people are little specialists who only deal with their own kind of people and their own kind of peoples issues.

Supporting the police is suicidal. What we need to do is return to a more revolutionary early American ideology of personal individuality, and only stick with and support people who are loyal to us. I have to say, at this point, the answer to that question, "NO EFFING WAY JOSE!!!!!!!", but my reasons for that are more that the company of the law is at the present time in this country far to mixed, it doesn't have an organizational discipline that is trustworthy for a posterity citizen, and none of them care anyway, they're all just busy staying alive. This most definitely does not mean that I have any interest in opposing them, I was caught in the urban riots too and I'm extremely smart, I can see that the enemies of the state who attack the police are by no means any better than the police. However, in this civil war like situation that we find ourselves in, it's an "us vs them" mentality, the police aren't helping anyone, and as bat as the masses are (I want nothing to do with them) its better to stick to civilian associates only, you'll be a crime victims for certain, but don't talk to the police, people are getting arrested for reporting crimes because of the politics of the recent and present state.

It's a fine idea to think that law and order are good for society, and to want a peaceful civil law to be enforced, that's higher idealism. However, it's currently counterproductive to interact with any government forces, I'm saying this now, and I'm as someone who is not rich, but given the attitudes I've seen from the police, even rich people might not have as big of an edge as some of the more radical modernists out there seem to think.
 
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Yes, I think police officers should be supported. All police officers aren't bad, Just a few bad apples in the bunch, but police officers are definently needed in society