Situation that is been weighing on my heart for some time.

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Subhumanoidal

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I generally agree, its just lately more and more politics have been shaping the way we live and I hate to say it, it's more of the politics on the left that are influencing my life than the politics on the right. They come off as dictators in their stances and they will not back down even if you have legitimate concerns. Another thing with me particularly is I am seen as a 'tech-bro' and they believe that because I am a single male with a high income who isn't extraordinarily social that I am not in the know of what's going on behind the scenes in the political realm. They are forcing socialism on us and the issue is that it forces a philosophy of entitlement without merit, and respect even where its undue. I'm having a very hard time getting these people to listen to me because they think I'm privileged and entitled but I have worked very hard to get to where I am.
That was essentially my point. Leftists aren't interested in talking. They yell and scream and attack. And try to force their beliefs on everyone. So why bother butting your head against a brick wall? The only one that gets hurt when you do that, is you. The wall doesn't get affected or care that you get hurt.
 

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I just want to know and understand why they are unable to see their blatant folly. Why do they 'defend' the defunding of police departments and why do they defend people who make bad choices repeatedly. Why do they defend the blatant poor choices that Biden and his administration has made, including the outbreak of 2 major wars and how are they so comfortable with this, even so much so that they think they're good people for it? Why do they hate abortion laws when they are much more likely to experience economic depravity by the policies of the politicians that they vote for than a complication during carriage? They even think they are helping minority groups but minority groups are the first ones to be hit by these economic policies. How are they so naive?
 

Subhumanoidal

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I just want to know and understand why they are unable to see their blatant folly. Why do they 'defend' the defunding of police departments and why do they defend people who make bad choices repeatedly. Why do they defend the blatant poor choices that Biden and his administration has made, including the outbreak of 2 major wars and how are they so comfortable with this, even so much so that they think they're good people for it? Why do they hate abortion laws when they are much more likely to experience economic depravity by the policies of the politicians that they vote for than a complication during carriage? They even think they are helping minority groups but minority groups are the first ones to be hit by these economic policies. How are they so naive?
Why do people who gravitate towards emotional outbursts, dictatorship, anti-American, anti-democracy and violence that want to see the US fall want to defund the police? 🤔

As I said, the liberals have been playing the smarter game. Conservatives tend to still be doing many things in a fashion that isn't as effective now as it was 20 years ago.
Liberals work on people's emotions through social media. Conservatives tend to still work towards discussing policies and debates on TV.
Also liberals have infiltrated schools at all levels. Firstly colleges were taken over, and taught less important topics and focused more on gender and race and such things. It worked. Those people got out of school and got jobs. Then they started going further down the school grades to introduce more and more at younger ages.
Not to mention banning of books and other materials deemed as wrong.
I've heard of young children in class made to apologize, one at a time, for being white. Or of course the trans reading stories to classrooms or at libraries about gender identity and how they should not only accept all gender identities, but encouraged to look at themselves as possibly needing to re-indentiy their own gender.
All of this and more is done by targeting people's emotions and giving a platform to those who speak the loudest. And threats of being labeled racist, then homophobic and so on. Social pressure to conform. And of course anyone with such biases deserve it when they get attacked.

It's basically brainwashing, societal And governmental pressure to conform, mental illness, giving validity to feelings over facts, rewarding bizarre and violent behavior towards any differing views, rewarding emotional outbursts, etc...

And you yourself said you felt a pressure to just give in, despite knowing better. Imagine someone more emotionally driven or mentally off. Will they have the ability to not give in? Or people who fear retaliation? Or will they side with those that validate their emotions and mental illness as normal and acceptable?
Much of liberalism is first and foremost about self. What am I getting out of this? After that they just follow the rest of the rhetoric.
 

TyrinDynasty

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Along with this, why do they have no value toward people who perform and achieve
Why do people who gravitate towards emotional outbursts, dictatorship, anti-American, anti-democracy and violence that want to see the US fall want to defund the police? 🤔

As I said, the liberals have been playing the smarter game. Conservatives tend to still be doing many things in a fashion that isn't as effective now as it was 20 years ago.
Liberals work on people's emotions through social media. Conservatives tend to still work towards discussing policies and debates on TV.
Also liberals have infiltrated schools at all levels. Firstly colleges were taken over, and taught less important topics and focused more on gender and race and such things. It worked. Those people got out of school and got jobs. Then they started going further down the school grades to introduce more and more at younger ages.
Not to mention banning of books and other materials deemed as wrong.
I've heard of young children in class made to apologize, one at a time, for being white. Or of course the trans reading stories to classrooms or at libraries about gender identity and how they should not only accept all gender identities, but encouraged to look at themselves as possibly needing to re-indentiy their own gender.
All of this and more is done by targeting people's emotions and giving a platform to those who speak the loudest. And threats of being labeled racist, then homophobic and so on. Social pressure to conform. And of course anyone with such biases deserve it when they get attacked.

It's basically brainwashing, societal And governmental pressure to conform, mental illness, giving validity to feelings over facts, rewarding bizarre and violent behavior towards any differing views, rewarding emotional outbursts, etc...

And you yourself said you felt a pressure to just give in, despite knowing better. Imagine someone more emotionally driven or mentally off. Will they have the ability to not give in? Or people who fear retaliation? Or will they side with those that validate their emotions and mental illness as normal and acceptable?
Much of liberalism is first and foremost about self. What am I getting out of this? After that they just follow the rest of the rhetoric.
Yeah you're right, it makes sense now.. ..I haven't figured out what I should do now though. If I should keep going back and keep trying or let it be.. They retaliated pretty hard, but I feel like if I don't fight then I pretty much watch my freedoms diminish. I had been fighting pretty hard on that forum for a long time. I have recently been watching videos on Narcissism and I am pretty certain that the person who attacked me is a Narcissists, but it seems as though the only retaliation is to ignore them. I don't know if that will work in a forum dynamic where Liberals dominate and have so much power. On one side, if I fight it's almost a guaranteed defeat, but if I don't then they slowly grow more powerful and defeat me anyway.
 

Subhumanoidal

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Along with this, why do they have no value toward people who perform and achieve


Yeah you're right, it makes sense now.. ..I haven't figured out what I should do now though. If I should keep going back and keep trying or let it be.. They retaliated pretty hard, but I feel like if I don't fight then I pretty much watch my freedoms diminish. I had been fighting pretty hard on that forum for a long time. I have recently been watching videos on Narcissism and I am pretty certain that the person who attacked me is a Narcissists, but it seems as though the only retaliation is to ignore them. I don't know if that will work in a forum dynamic where Liberals dominate and have so much power. On one side, if I fight it's almost a guaranteed defeat, but if I don't then they slowly grow more powerful and defeat me anyway.
They don't value achievement because they hold to socialist and communist beliefs. That wealth should not be accumulated, but rather spread out. Thus anyone who keeps their wealth is bad.

Well what changes are you making by clashing with them? Is anyone listening? Anyone changing their mind? Again, banging your head on a brick wall doesn't hurt the wall, only you.
Debate is not the only way, or even best way, to change things. There are actually changes beginning to occur going against woke-ism. For instance Disney, who has been putting out nothing but woke propaganda for years. Now everything they put out they lose tons of money on. They're losing fans, and seen as ruining things such as Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Marvel and Lord of the Rings. Not to mention Snow White and other classic Disney movies.
Now that people are turning against them, not going to see their movies or watch their shows, it's being said they are making changes behind the scenes. Firing the activists they hired, getting rid of some DEI, etc...
Fans spoke out with their public disapproval and pocket books and its forced a company as big as Disney to reevaluate their course.
Or look at Bud Light. They tried hopping on the bandwagon and hired a trans spoke person. They lost tons of long term customers, and money. It was so bad that they terminated their contract with the trans individual and are now trying to recover by going back to what made them popular.
Or when Target began putting up large displays for LGBT clothing for kids and adults. Right at the entrance to the store. Backlash and they ended up shrinking the size of the displays, a lot, and moving them to the back of the store.
So debating emotionally charged people full of hate is not really the way.

To check out some youtube channels that cover a lot of the cultural issues, and the way politics affect them, as well as some directly political topics try:
https://m.youtube.com/@TheAmalaEkpunobi

This guy you may know, he's a Christian that goes to colleges and sets up a little booth to debate the liberal students on politics. You'll notice when he starts winning the most common reaction is anger or just walking off.
https://m.youtube.com/@RealCharlieKirk/videos

For more movie and show topics and that arena look up Nerdrotic and The Critical Drinker on YT.

Those are just to name a few fighting against woke beliefs and can help reinforce you by seeing how many people there actually are against those beliefs. You're walking into enemy territory right now and feeling overwhelmed by that view. Change your view and go outside of those places to discover there's a lot more resistance than you think.
 

Subhumanoidal

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They don't value achievement because they hold to socialist and communist beliefs. That wealth should not be accumulated, but rather spread out. Thus anyone who keeps their wealth is bad.

Well what changes are you making by clashing with them? Is anyone listening? Anyone changing their mind? Again, banging your head on a brick wall doesn't hurt the wall, only you.
Debate is not the only way, or even best way, to change things. There are actually changes beginning to occur going against woke-ism. For instance Disney, who has been putting out nothing but woke propaganda for years. Now everything they put out they lose tons of money on. They're losing fans, and seen as ruining things such as Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Marvel and Lord of the Rings. Not to mention Snow White and other classic Disney movies.
Now that people are turning against them, not going to see their movies or watch their shows, it's being said they are making changes behind the scenes. Firing the activists they hired, getting rid of some DEI, etc...
Fans spoke out with their public disapproval and pocket books and its forced a company as big as Disney to reevaluate their course.
Or look at Bud Light. They tried hopping on the bandwagon and hired a trans spoke person. They lost tons of long term customers, and money. It was so bad that they terminated their contract with the trans individual and are now trying to recover by going back to what made them popular.
Or when Target began putting up large displays for LGBT clothing for kids and adults. Right at the entrance to the store. Backlash and they ended up shrinking the size of the displays, a lot, and moving them to the back of the store.
So debating emotionally charged people full of hate is not really the way.

To check out some youtube channels that cover a lot of the cultural issues, and the way politics affect them, as well as some directly political topics try:
https://m.youtube.com/@TheAmalaEkpunobi

This guy you may know, he's a Christian that goes to colleges and sets up a little booth to debate the liberal students on politics. You'll notice when he starts winning the most common reaction is anger or just walking off.
https://m.youtube.com/@RealCharlieKirk/videos

For more movie and show topics and that arena look up Nerdrotic and The Critical Drinker on YT.

Those are just to name a few fighting against woke beliefs and can help reinforce you by seeing how many people there actually are against those beliefs. You're walking into enemy territory right now and feeling overwhelmed by that view. Change your view and go outside of those places to discover there's a lot more resistance than you think.
Oops, LotR was Amazon not Disney. 😇
 
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I decided I would share my experiences on the forum and the debates I had with more liberally minded people back between 2022 and 2023 that consisted of the situation I explained in my original post. I'm going to attach the conversations in a Spoiler so it does not clutter the thread.

Trust me when I say, I reflect over these events a lot, mainly because myself and 'DMChicago' (the person I gave the Uber ride to) used to have a relatively good forum relationship prior to these events. For a long time I wanted to give him the benefit of a doubt because of the Uber ride and I realized I might have rubbed him the wrong way. Admittedly talking about politics to him in the Uber ride probably wasn't the smartest idea but at the time I felt it was appropriate because we contributed to a forum that was heavily focused on Urban Affairs, Politics, ect.. ..and I also THOUGHT he was a Republican so I ended up telling him all of my frustrations with Austin's politics and the city council. This rubbed him the wrong way and he took it as a direct insult rather than criticism. He acted calm throughout the entire ride, until the ride ended and he got out of my car and SLAMMED my door. I yelled out the window telling him to have a good day trying to show him I didn't intend to offend him.

Through reflection, I've has to take deeper perspectives of many things such as:
  • Trolling
  • Narcissism
  • Antagonism
  • Bullying
Here are my experiences from the forum:

Me: Need4Camaro
The Uber Ride Guy: DMChicago
His accomplist: ashbeeigh

Myself and DMChicago were conversating on the forum before he told me he needed a ride to Red Ash (a popular Italian restaurant in Downtown Austin.) It was his first time going there and he wanted to know if I was free, I could take him there. I agreed to do so. He direct messaged me and provided me his contact information and address so I drove to his place and picked him up. He lived in a very upscale, quaint community, his home was a nested in the hills of Austin overlooking Lake Travis and it was on the border line of a mansion property that he and his wife inhabited. Very beautiful place.

When he entered my car we chatted for a bit, got acquainted and spoke about each others past. We had similarities that we both had some prior history of living in Chicago. We spoke about how he got his house and what we did for work. It turned out, my salary was actually higher than his at the time, although I was working multiple jobs. At the time he was right at $200,000 per year and I was somewhere around $285,000 per year although I was working two jobs + Uber to obtain it. I had forgotten what specifically sparked the political debate, I 'think' we eased into it and he brought something up and I casually called certain Democratic politicians such as Joe Biden, Nanci Pelosi and Gavin Newsom crooks as I too comfortably assumed DMChicago shared my viewpoints. He showed unease and immediately replied "What about the rest of them? I.. .I'm a Democrat.. I thought we were even here!" I replied "Yeah, they are, but the reason it angers me is they keep saying that they are helping minority workers but that's not what they're doing." of which I said because their policies were causing financial distress through inflation, housing shortages, lay offs, resource scarcity, and more. DMChicago maintained his face throughout the rest of the rid and seemed to not be to bothered. He carried a completely coharent conversation and even seemed nice, but when we got to Red Ash, things changed. He started seeming to have a melt down. He told me about all of the times on the forums where I supported him and how I approved of where he lived (this is because Austin is a VERY elitist city and its inhabitants condemn anyone who doesn't live in the central district.)... He literally looked like he was about to break apart. He reached in his wallet and gave me $20 and told me "You're a good kid." and he got out of my car and SLAMMED my door HARD. It took me off guard. I yelled out the window because I didn't intend to offend him and told him "You have a good day!" .. He ignored me and continued walking very noticeably angry.

This what happened when I got back home:
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For quite some time things 'seemed' normal. He kept posting normally as well. Until suddenly, he started taking jabs at me. I didn't notice it at first. At first I thought he was being genuine.

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I didn't catch on immediately. I thought at first that he was sharing his genuine opinion. In either case it looked like a baiting attempt to drag me into a argument or debate over pettiness. I avoided it, although in hindsight I do wish I had firmly asserted my opinion without getting emotional. It appeared that Ivory Lee Spurlock also noticed it and diverted the topic away from them.
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ashbeeigh has always had an antagonistic relationship toward me. When I first became a member of that forum, she looked for every possible way to either discredit me or deliver put downs at my posts. She is snarky and very rude. I started catching onto her because she was very overt about it and I either dismissed it or I would counter her with something witty, which I was usually pretty decent at. It eventually backfired on her when multiple forum members including myself formed a pile-on accusing her of trolling me and other posters. She was especially harsh to newcomers because she felt that they were the reason she cannot buy a house, however; ashbeeigh was not born in Texas and she moved to Austin from another city. She also always prioritizing living 'in' Austin proper as a renter and puts down anyone who lives in the suburbs as she sees herself as 'above' them, yet at the same time she also complains about affordability issues but refuses to move to the suburbs where she can afford to live (which is a choice I made despite myself making considerably more than ashbeeigh does). It came to a point however that her put downs were obnoxiously obvious and several posters retaliated against her causing her to finally stop... ...until now, where she felt a potential alliance with DMChicago would allow her to get revenge against me for humiliating her.

Meanwhile, later there was a thread regarding voting and how difficult it is to vote, of which I refuted. I personally have felt for some time that the Democrats have wanted to make it easier to vote to allow illegals to vote and skew the elections using illegitimate means. Now, I will say even at this time, I was not a firmly convicted Republican, but I felt that the Democratic Party was a lot more fishy as of late than the Republicans were.

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I will say, I tend to be assertive and sometimes overly confident or aggressive. I was irritated though because of how much propaganda was being thrown at to 'frame' Republicans as the problem when Democrats at this point were getting away with way too much.
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DMChicago strikes back at me. At this point in time I still didn't know or understand why he was doing this. When he was angry about the Uber ride, I 'thought' he saw me as 'entitled' or 'self conceited' and I was trying to deflect those notions of myself and subtly show him that wasn't the case. I 'thought' at the time that he misunderstood me and what I was. He was countered this time in this argument however by both myself and another poster. He didn't make another post in the thread.

To Be Continued...
 
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Continuing from before:

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I was not kidding by this. I have lived a very povershed and unstable life growing up. We lost many homes and many cars. I have had instances where I commuted 40 miles one way to school because I was evicted from the school district and did not want to go to the local schools. I have had instances where we lost our car, our house and I was commuting on the bus for 2 - 3 hours one way just to get to college. I have ALWAYS been able to go and vote. Nothing stopped me. Today in Texas you get 15 days to vote. There's no excuse.
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Showing DMChicago's general personality. He wasn't always antagonistic. Sometimes he even gave me compliments, and other times he sought attention and validation. His response to done working however was a different matter. done working has been coming to the Austin forums to express his dissatisfaction with the Austin City Council mainly because it's run like California, a state he left. I actually agreed with many of his posts and supported him where I could, hoping it would show more of the forum posters that the City Council of Austin was not what they seemed.
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Now, admittedly I was kind of a flaunt. This has a way of working against me. I was 'too comfortable' around them I guess. Despite ashbeeigh's antagonism, I often liked probing a response from her ... There was some sort of 'familiarity' of having them around I guess. But I still wasn't aware of DMChicago's intentions at this point in time.
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During a snow day, the roads were iced over. I tend to use these days to make extra money doing Uber because not many people are willing to risk driving on ice. I'm generally a pretty good driver and feel confident about handling myself, but other drivers around me is another story. Still, I went with it. DMChicago is clearly paying a lot more attention to my posts than he used to. I 'sensed' the antagonism, but I couldn't label it at the time. I knew 'why' it was there, but I didn't understand his motifs at the time.
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Still, I dismissed any attempt to discredit my choice and I had to show him that I was not afraid of his opinion of me, but I was careful not to give him too much to feed off of. It always seemed like he wanted to drag me into an argument. I didn't understand 'why', but I knew it was there.
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This is showing more of DMChicago's personality. Generally he is snide and condescending. But not always, I had better interactions with him before these events.

...To be continued...
 
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Continuing...

We got into a debate about interest rates. This is where things really started to go down hill. Now I will admit, I might have been a bit naive in this debate as well, however; I also firmly feel that interest rates would not have had to have been escalated to 7.5% if the feds had reduced spending. I firmly believe that Biden's fiscal policies were excessive spending and ignoring inflation while tax payers foot the bill. I will also admit, I was probably not preaching to the right audience, but anyway...

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At this point, I was getting very tired of DMChicago's dismissive snide remarks. I started to really retaliate, although I did miss the 'grammatical error', it was still becoming abundantly clear that DMChicago had antagonistic intentions of dismissing me so I put him on the spot causing him to become more aggressive.
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While Trainwreck20 has legitimacy here, it largely misses the larger point of how the excessive expenditure policy of Biden largely counteracted against the acts of attacking inflation through interest rates. I also felt that inflation numbers were not being presented properly. A 3% inflation rate only means that inflation is increasing 3%, but that means nothing if prior years of inflation have increased so wildly that the housing values and the cost of goods have doubled. We are not seeing 'deflation', and we won't because deflation is bad for the government.
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I needed to clarify my intent that I was not after Democratic voters, but trying to point out the flaws in their policy and the damage it was causing. DMChicago however took it to another level with his comment here. I didn't react emotionally to it, although I do feel I gave an unnecessary concession to it when I look back. This was also the tipping point where I decided it was best to put him on my ignore list.
I didn't know this at first but I later came to find that this comment was flagged by the moderator of the forum and DMChicago received a serious warning by the moderator threatening a ban if he were to engage like this again.
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Trainwreck20 moved the argument to an Uber discussion. I don't know if he did this to de-escalate or if he did it to take attention off of DMChicago or if he was just being dismissive of my points because he didn't have a counter-argument. Admittedly I was shooken up a bit by DMChicago's response and I decided to play along to de-escalate but in hindsight I kind of wish I had firmly held my ground here.

riaelese is generally a good poster and will post with substance and rarely, if ever goes for put downs. I like talking to her because she's easy to get along with. She gave me some acknowledgement, and while I agree she has some validity, I still feel like the government was ripping us off.

...To be continued...
 
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Continuing...

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riaelise still had interest in the topic. I gave her my opinion. Trainwreck20 diverged away from the topic.
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Much later on DMChicago quoted one of my posts regarding Whataburger.
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At the time I did not understand his real intent, I ignored it as I found him to be too exhausting at this point and I did not want to re-engage in that dynamic. I couldn't tell if he was being genuine or not.

Later on, a post about the Palestinian protesters was created...
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Austin has a lack of police. I have encountered this first hand. Driving through the city there are police cars on the side of the highway meant to intimidate speeding drivers into slowing down, but they are unmanned. Meanwhile if you dial 911, you get put on hold.

ashbeeigh made a post that you cannot see because the moderator deleted it but it said "Would you be against Pro Israel protesters?" texan2yankee replied "Of course I would, do you support this lawlessness that is running amok this country?" escanlan also replied "last I checked there were no Pro Israel protestors." The moderator deleted the posts however. It suggests that the moderator was becoming more aware of the hostile dynamic. He let my post stand however.
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I basically continued posting in that thread. DMChicago did not continue to antagonize me in this thread. I was concerned about it but it didn't happen. I didn't know why it didn't happen at this point.

Later, I had my jaw surgery...
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Mild antagonism from DMChicago, I didn't reply to it.

To be continued...
 
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Finale

We moved on to a homeless thread debate regarding homeless solutions and the homeless camps around Austin.

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This was a thread that the moderator also watched closely and cleaned up a bit, he closed the thread with a complement to me as the final post which. After this topic, DMChicago completely stopped posting on the forum. He hasn't posted in over a year now which suggests he gave up. I didn't understand what he was doing for a long time nor did I fully understand why he did it. I ended up having to do alot of research on him to discern why he went from so seemingly friendly to almost out right hostile towards me.

I looked up previous thread about him and came to find that he was subject to trauma abuse as a child. I believe that DMChicago developed a coping mechanism towards shame in the form of Narcissism, but because he is so afraid of shame and the possibility of being humiliated, he tends to be covert and very tactical. I think that he saw me as a threat to his perceived intellectual superiority and needed to find a way to take me down because he didn't want his moral superiority to be found as flawed because this opens a weakness and a point of angle that he can be attacked. Even though I never directly challenged him or had anything against him (even for being a Democrat), he saw me as a vulnerability. He likely calculated methods to undermine and dismiss me to try to either publicly humiliate me, discredit me or try to make me leave so he could establish and maintain his sense of social dominance because the group was his form of validation. It was his protection, and I was seen as a threat to his security.

He has a big ego and probably thought it would be very easy to undermine and dismiss me, but when he saw that the more he tried, the more I adopted and countered and the less impact his intimidation, manipulation, shaming or framing had on me, he became increasingly frustrated because he was running out of tactics. His posts often lacked substance and focused on dismissals rather that debating points. He probably felt very intimidated by this as it threatens his sense of superiority. When he ran low on tactics, it lead him to more overt insults such as what he told me when he told me to enlighten myself, which immediately got caught by the moderator I later found out. DMChicago received a one time serious warning letting him know a second occurrence would result in a ban.

The moderator also did a full review over his interactions with me and figured out the antagonistic dynamic which is why he stepped in and started deleting future dismissive posts, including ashbeeigh's in the Palestine thread and started paying more attention to posts I made so I wouldn't get singled out or piled on.

DMChicago likely realized in the end he had no way to assert himself or diminish me without facing consequences and left the forum after being a member for 11 years. He tried to salvage this with a last ditch effort with the 'Whataburger' comment, hoping I would take the bate as an olive branch. I couldn't tell if he was genuine or not. He might have been trying to save face on the forum knowing he pushed too far and he wasn't going to be able to intermingle the way he used to with me ignoring him. If he pushed, he would look desperate, if he stopped, he would have to accept that he lost which was too big of a hit for his ego. He also likely realized his reputation had taken a major hit as well because the moderation was quite noticeable after that event. He lost his face in the forum and what is sad is I was never actively after him. He did all of this to himself.

Me on the other hand. I had no intention of harming DMChicago, he wasn't my target. I just wanted him to see and understand why I was frustrated, but he couldn't because he was blinded by his pride, he couldn't let go of his pride because it was the only thing that protected him from his shame. Deep down I feel kind of bad for him, but at the same time I also was very angry with him as well. Still, there are nights I pray for him.

The Forum itself took a nose dive in activity following these events. Ashbeeigh also received a milder warning, but she too stopped posting in her antagonistic, dismissive style. She didn't completely stop like DMChicago did, but it's pretty rare that she posts.

Trainwreck20 avoids political threads after Trump won re-election. Trust me when I say I was so happy to see Trump winning the election after going through all of this.
 
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He was not overt like ashbeeigh was, he was deeply afraid of being shamed so he took a more Covert route. He took time and careful planning, using tactics that would appear legitimate and subtle on first glance to try to diminish me quietly to try to hurt my confidence. He gained support of ashbeeigh who had a grudge against me and together they thought they could plan a coordinated sequence of dismissive attacks to try to undermine my confidence, and while I admit it did have some impact, it wasn't working as well as he thought it would. I never attacked back initially because I couldn't tell if he was being legitimate or not, hesitancy due to the uber ride and not wanting to look overly privileged or entitled, previous friendship dynamics.

What is sad is, I am likely reflecting over this, but he is likely tearing down someone else to elevate himself and is not thinking of these interactions.